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Schmitt.
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Posted: Sat Sep 16th, 2006 09:50 am |
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Soon after BYU asked Professor Jones to remove his paper speculating on the causes of the WTC collapse from the university server due to lack of peer review, Jones was suspended with pay, with little explanation beyond the 'speculative' and 'accusatory' nature of some of his claims, and some hints that it may be examining whether any of this was entering his classroom. I initially felt it likely that his suspension would turn out to be another example of BYU's strict and allegedly moral codes impinging on academic freedom. Turns out...not so much.
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The action came two days after Jones appeared on KUER-FM 90.1's respected news talk show "Radio West." On the show, he said it appeared responsibility for the attacks rested with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and an "international banking cartel."
The statement drew immediate response from Jews who said they were offended because references to international banking have for decades been used by anti-Semitic groups as codespeak to blame Jews for various problems. Hitler often blamed "international financiers" for Germany's debt after World War I.
A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League said he will recommend in a committee meeting tomorrow that the ADL send a letter to BYU complaining about the comments and expressing concern that such comments might be made by Jones in his classes. BYU relieved Jones of his teaching load this semester while it conducts a formal review of his research and statements.
"Wow, I don't know if he could be any clearer," said Jonathan Bernstein, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League for California, Utah and Hawaii. "This is the language we hear from David Duke and other hatemongers who want to scapegoat Jews."
Professor Jones claims ignorance about the term's significance, and came out with a brilliant 'but I'm just repeating the lies of others!' comment:He wasn't sure where he got the phrase because he was referring to the work of Webster Tarpley, a historian and member of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group co-founded by Jones. Tarpley refers only to a shadowy, rogue network, not to international bankers.
Given the noted antisemitism which has pervaded the 9/11 denial movement from its early origins; Messrs Wolfowitz and Perles' ethnicities, and conspiracy nuts' penchant for claiming coincidence necessitates collusion and lies, will conspiracy theorists conclude that Professor Jones is not being completely frank with his explanation?
In all honesty it's likely he genuinely did pick up the term from one of his fellows in the movement without having any idea that his fellow nutjob was a Jew hating racist scumbag -- God knows enough lies propagate throughout the movement without being critically examined. There's plenty of potential candidates, so we may never track down where he picked it up. And BYU is still retarded, it just hasn't acted improperly in this instance.
I'll finish with a brilliant money quote, my bold:"In the past, numerous times I deferred to those experts," Jones said. "This time I said, in my opinion, (Tarpley's) right. But I also think that's way outside the research I specialize in. I think it's smarter to leave the tasks of who should be investigated to those who specialize in those things."
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Chesty_Puller
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Posted: Sat Sep 16th, 2006 01:03 pm |
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Posted: Sat Sep 16th, 2006 06:56 pm |
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"In all honesty it's likely he genuinely did pick up the term from one of his fellows in the movement without having any idea that his fellow nutjob was a Jew hating racist scumbag"
You're probably right. I can easily see someone being unaware of the historical antisemitic baggage that a description like "international banking cartel" would have. That didn't send up read flags for me when I read it.
But Jones has moved from "asking questions" to slandering specific people without anything resembling serious evidence, so I don't blame BYU for being concerned. Any company would be concerned if an employee repeatedly associated with the company starts off on a public obsession with slandering public officials with accusations of mass murder based on the flimsiest of evidence.
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USS Jellyfish
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Posted: Sun Sep 17th, 2006 09:28 pm |
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So the term "international banking cartel" is somehow deemed "anti-semitic"??
That's quite a reach, since there are probably hundreds of "international banking cartels". Just so happens that perle and wolfowitz are jews, along with the majority of the PNAC membership. They could just as easily have been Irish catholics, or Chinese buddhists.
"Anti-semite" is a whopper in itself, since the only true "semites" are the native Arabs, not the European jews who moved in with them.
We live in a bizarre world of lies, half-truths, warped realities, politically-correct misnomers, and ever-deepening bullsh!t. No need to take much of it seriously.
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Schmitt.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 12:19 pm |
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USS Jellyfish wrote: So the term "international banking cartel" is somehow deemed "anti-semitic"??
Suggesting that the world or America is being manipulated by an international banking cartel which controls the American and other governments is pretty much boilerplate Holocaust denial/antisemitic conspiracy theory throughout the last two centuries
just so happens that perle and wolfowitz are jews
Jellyfish you more than anyone should know that there is never a reasonable explanation for any coincidence ever occuring.
"Anti-semite" is a whopper in itself
Oh my God did you know, like, homophobic means fear of gays not hatred lol!!
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USS Jellyfish
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Posted: Mon Sep 18th, 2006 10:22 pm |
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Schmitt. wrote: USS Jellyfish wrote: So the term "international banking cartel" is somehow deemed "anti-semitic"??
Suggesting that the world or America is being manipulated by an international banking cartel which controls the American and other governments is pretty much boilerplate Holocaust denial/antisemitic conspiracy theory throughout the last two centuries
It's not that I deny "international banking cartels" control much of what goes on in the world; it's just that when you throw in such cartels as OPEC, the World Bank (of which wolfowitz is now chief), and outfits like the Carlyle Group (deep bush connections), this notion of "international banking cartel" somehow being "anti-semitic" becomes even more ridiculous. Anyway, it's news to me, and, apparently, Jones, as well.
just so happens that perle and wolfowitz are jews
Jellyfish you more than anyone should know that there is never a reasonable explanation for any coincidence ever occuring.
Not true. Just the other day, I was thinking about going to the Japanese steak house for dinner. I was really craving the stuff. When I got home, my wife suggested we go to the Japanese steak house. Of course, I was duly amazed, just as I am every time something like this happens.
However, when dozens of coincidences line up back-to-back, and all of them favor a disaster that just happens to favor a political cartel that craved just such a disaster, well... I tend to get a little nervous.
"Anti-semite" is a whopper in itself
Oh my God did you know, like, homophobic means fear of gays not hatred lol!!
True, but at least you're still talking about gay people. The term "anti-semite" actually describes European Jewish Zionists better than anyone else. They're the ones who really hate the "semites". People who hate white European jews should just be called "jew haters". I am neither a "jew hater", nor an "anti-semite"; I just like truth and clarity.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15th, 2007 05:52 pm |
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So Jones is a Jew-hater now? And Tarpley? And the rest of the 9/11 truth tellers?
Why don't you do a little bit of research, pal? No one who matters is saying it's a 'jewish" conspiracy. Jones isn't even saying that. Tarpley and Jones do indeed point the finger at people like Wolfowitz and Perle, who happen to be jewish, but they also censure people like Cheney, Tony Blair, and Donald Rumsfeld, who are not jewish. I get so damned tired of this over-zealous devotion to groups like ADL who get upset any time someone suggests that a jewish person could possibly have done anything immoral.
Suggesting that two jews were involved in the 9/11 attacks is not anti-simetic. Moreover, the international banking cartel does contain many jewish insiders, but there are also many who are not jewish. Okay? The international bankers are a real group with real political and social desires. They want to control things, they want thing to go their way. This is only one of the means by which elite power uses its subjects as a means to greater wealth and power. The Vatican does the same thing. Are you going to call me an anti-Catholic now, too?
Why don't you grow up? Jones should never have been fired.
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Scooter
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Posted: Sun Sep 16th, 2007 04:36 am |
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