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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 04:02 pm |
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Columnist Says Barack Obama 'Lied To The American People;'
Asks Publisher to Withdraw Obama's BookNEW YORK, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- Out2.com's independent contrarian columnist, Andy Martin, will publish a column and hold simultaneous news conferences in New York and London on Wednesday, August 11th to disclose he believes Barack Obama is a political fraud who "lied to the American people." Martin has asked Crown Books to stop sales of Obama's book because of its fraudulent content. Martin says Obama may be a threat to the Jewish community. NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:
New York:
Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:00 A.M.
Location: Northeast Corner of Fifth Avenue and 65th
Street (Temple Emanu-El)
London:
Time/date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:00 P.M.
Location: 2 Dryden Mansions, Queens Club Gardens London W14
"I feel sad having to expose Barack Obama," says Martin, "but the man is a complete fraud. The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage.
"Obama's life story is vastly different from the one he portrays. My point: if he will lie about his mother and father, what else is he lying about? Can we expect 'bimbo eruptions?'
"Fiction: Obama stated in his Convention speech: 'My father ... grew up herding goats.' The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie. Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman.
"Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name. Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion. I am a strong supporter of the Muslim community, and I believe Muslims have been scapegoated. Obama has a great opportunity to be forthright. Instead, he has treated his Muslim heritage as a dark secret. His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa.
"Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic.
Obama has spent a lifetime running from his family heritage and religious heritage. Would his father have given his son a Koranic name if the father was not a devout Muslim? Obama's stepfather was also a Muslim. Obama will be the first Muslim-heritage senator; he should be proud of that fact. There is nothing to be ashamed of in any of the three great Abrahamic religions.
"Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who came to the United States only to study. Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime. Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father had Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the murderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists. I believe Obama's secret shame at his family history of rape, murder and arson is what actualizes him. Our research is not yet complete. We are seeking to examine British colonial records. Our investigation to date has drawn on information on three continents.
"And what about Obama's beloved Kenyan brothers and sisters? None of his family was invited to Boston to share his prominence. Are his relatives being kept in the closet? Where are they? More secrecy, more prevarication.
"It is time for Barack Obama to stop presenting a fantasy to the American people. We are forgiving and many would still support him. It may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel. His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles where Obama now enjoys support," Martin states.
"Our investigation is continuing. In he meantime, Crown Books should stop selling Obama's novelization of his life. We have asked Crown to do that. Obama is living a lie."
RESOURCES: Martin's columns at Out2.com (Govt & Politics); E-mail: andy@andymartin.com
Source: Andy Martin Worldwide Communications
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 04:12 pm |
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 04:54 pm |
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| BARAKA. A Muslim name meaning "blessing" that can be similarly translated in Kiswahili, Baraka is a native African name that has already gained some popularity among African-American parents.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 04:57 pm |
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Sounds to me like this Andy Martin character has some kind of personal vendetta against Mr. Obama. Do a Google search for "Andy Martin Obama" and you get a bunch of hits that show that Martin seems to be a bit obsessed with Obama.
Until a mainstream media source starts talking about this, I'm going to take this story as an attempted 'swift-boating' of Obama, nothing more.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 05:06 pm |
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Obama: "I am a Christian.… So, I have a deep faith. I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
There is nothing Christian about this statement.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Indy4
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 05:40 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Sounds to me like this Andy Martin character has some kind of personal vendetta against Mr. Obama. Do a Google search for "Andy Martin Obama" and you get a bunch of hits that show that Martin seems to be a bit obsessed with Obama.
Until a mainstream media source starts talking about this, I'm going to take this story as an attempted 'swift-boating' of Obama, nothing more.
If another media source started talking about it, you would just say they were either racist or had a right-wing agenda.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 05:46 pm |
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Oh no! A muslim! 
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 05:49 pm |
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Indy4 wrote: JustDucky wrote: Sounds to me like this Andy Martin character has some kind of personal vendetta against Mr. Obama. Do a Google search for "Andy Martin Obama" and you get a bunch of hits that show that Martin seems to be a bit obsessed with Obama.
Until a mainstream media source starts talking about this, I'm going to take this story as an attempted 'swift-boating' of Obama, nothing more.
If another media source started talking about it, you would just say they were either racist or had a right-wing agenda.
Depends on the author, her/his reputation, and the media source (and its reputation). Before I'll believe any of it, I need to see multiple cases of corroboration.
Man, the right is scared of Obama. ![[grin]](/forums/themes/default/grinning-smiley-007.gif) That much is evident.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 06:20 pm |
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Would Obama's own biography be enough corroboration? If you read any biography stuff about Obama he seems desperate to downplay his Muslim roots. Here's an example from an article about his autobiography, you can see what I mean:
His father, also named Barack (Swahili for "One who is blessed by God," and perhaps via Arabic and Semitic roots related to the Hebrew baruch, "blessed") Obama, left his rural Luo-speaking village and his Muslim father to become an "agnostic" and study economics abroad. His son was two when the elder Barack left the boy and his mother to return to Harvard University and then to Kenya, where he became a globe-traveling economist for the government.
Now, lets see what we learn from this:
First, take note of the portion of the first sentence "perhaps via Arabic and Semitic roots related to the Hebrew baruch, "blessed"". Perhaps? Barack's father didn't speak Swahili, but he was a Muslim, living in a country where Arabic was the third most dominant language, second only to two languages which he didn't speak. Senator Obama was named Barack after his father, so naturally his Muslim father was named Barack by his Parents (the Senator's Grandparents), making it obvious that the choice of the name is rooted in the Arabic, not Swahili. Why does Senator Obama try to hide this and make the origin of his name appear Swahili when clearly it was chosen due to its Arabic meaning?
Second, he points out that his vilage is rural and the dominant language there was Luo. "Luo" is a non-descript generalization for about 14 or 15 languages used in Sudan and Uganda, so perhaps what he should have said was Dholuo. Dholuo is spoken by about 13% of Kenyans, and about 80% of it is from the Arabic lexicon. So you could say an Arabic dialect was spoken in his native village. Is this a deliberate attempt to confuse people into leaning towards the Sudanese version of Luo when clearly in Kenya it would have been Dholuo, which leans more toward an Arabic dialect?
Third, he points out that his father was agnostic, again creating a separation between his family and Islam.
Lets read on:
When young Obama was six, his mother married an Indonesian oil manager, a "non-practicing Muslim," and the family moved to Jakarta, where his half-sister Maya was born. In this exotic Islamic country, wrote Obama's good friend, the liberal lawyer and best-selling novelist Scott Turow, Barack Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school."
So here we have Obama living in Jakarta (in an Islamic country), and we see an obvious reference to a "non-practicing Muslim", again creating a separation between his family and Islam. Why would the Senator want to point out the man's religion if he wasn't practicing it? Could it be because he felt that if he said nothing, and someone discovered it later, it would be used against him? While there we learn that he spent two years in a Muslim school, and then he follows it up with two years in a Catholic school. Again, downplaying his Muslim heritage by the point that the Muslim school attendance is countered by an equal amount of time in a Catholic school.
But wait, there's more...
At age 10 Obama was sent back to Hawaii to be raised largely by his middle-class white maternal grandparents, and to attend the prestigious Punahou Academy. For only one month of his life, when he was 10, Obama was visited by and talked with his biological father. During adolescence he struggled to comprehend his mixed racial and cultural identity and experimented with marijuana and cocaine. Obama wrote about this in his memoir, he told Turow, because "I wanted to show how and why some kids, maybe especially young black men, flirt with danger and self-destruction."
Interesting. So when the Senator's biological father shows up, sudenly Obama has a mixed racial and cultural identity. Could this be that his Muslim father wanted him to stop hiding his Muslim roots? He also goes on to talk about his experimentation with marijuana and cocaine ... the left would be having a field day with that information if it was a Republican Senator we were talking about.
All of this information comes from Senator Obama's biography, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. I don't know about you guys, but to me it looks like he's downplaying his heritage. Then combine that with what Andy Martin published and it just leads to more questions.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 06:51 pm |
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Indy, c'mon. That's really reaching. ![[eyeroll]](/forums/themes/default/sarcasm.gif) You're just analyzing and adding your own interpretation/spin. I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I can see why the thread got moved to the UUU forum.
Don't worry, though. I'm sure Dorf, Buzzsaw, and a bunch of others will eagerly leap on your bandwagon soon.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 06:52 pm |
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Uh, why was this moved to UUU2? This isn't any damn "conspiracy theory", it's information from his own autobiography.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 06:54 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Indy, c'mon. That's really reaching. You're just analyzing and adding your own interpretation/spin. I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I can see why the thread got moved to the UUU forum.
Don't worry, though. I'm sure Dorf, Buzzsaw, and a bunch of others will eagerly leap on your bandwagon soon.
What points would you care to dispute?
Just answer one question ... why would Senator Obama say "non-practicing Muslim" ... there is no such thing. You are either religious or you are not. If you aren't practicing a religion, then you are not of that religion, so to say "non-practicing X" is an oxymoron.
I believe the reason he said it is because he figured that if he said nothing, then at some point someone would find out that he was Muslim and try to use it against him, and if that happened no one would believe him if he said "Well, yeah, but he wasn't practicing" ... so it's kind of pre-empting it, do you agree?
If a person is going to lie about his religious upbringing, it makes you wonder what else he would lie about.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:01 pm |
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Indy4 wrote: Uh, why was this moved to UUU2? This isn't any damn "conspiracy theory", it's information from his own autobiography.
It's your interpretation/spin on information from his own autobiography. There's a difference. 
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:04 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: Uh, why was this moved to UUU2? This isn't any damn "conspiracy theory", it's information from his own autobiography.
It's your interpretation/spin on information from his own autobiography. There's a difference.
I'm not spinning anything, I'm simply asking questions about things he wrote that don't make sense. And what about the cocaine thing ... Libs were flying off the handle at the unproven allegation that Bush ever did coke in his youth, and here we have Obama fully admitting it in his own autobiography, and I hear nothing but silence from the left. Where is the outrage, hypocrites?
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:09 pm |
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Indy4 wrote: JustDucky wrote: Indy, c'mon. That's really reaching. You're just analyzing and adding your own interpretation/spin. I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I can see why the thread got moved to the UUU forum.
Don't worry, though. I'm sure Dorf, Buzzsaw, and a bunch of others will eagerly leap on your bandwagon soon.
What points would you care to dispute?
None. I wouldn't do so until I had read his book, which I haven't. I have The Audacity of Hope on order from Amazon, but it hasn't arrived yet.
Just answer one question ... why would Senator Obama say "non-practicing Muslim" ... there is no such thing. You are either religious or you are not. If you aren't practicing a religion, then you are not of that religion, so to say "non-practicing X" is an oxymoron. I disagree. I was brought up in a non-practicing Catholic household. My parents were both born and raised Catholic, but weren't church-goers. They believed in "God" and went to chuch on the holidays and all......but they certainly weren't devout.
I believe the reason he said it is because Exactly. You believe. I go with cold hard facts and multiple, verifiable sources.
If a person is going to lie about his religious upbringing, it makes you wonder what else he would lie about. There is no proof he is lying about anything. Only your belief....
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:12 pm |
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Indy4 wrote: JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: Uh, why was this moved to UUU2? This isn't any damn "conspiracy theory", it's information from his own autobiography.
It's your interpretation/spin on information from his own autobiography. There's a difference.
I'm not spinning anything, I'm simply asking questions about things he wrote that don't make sense. And what about the cocaine thing ... Libs were flying off the handle at the unproven allegation that Bush ever did coke in his youth, and here we have Obama fully admitting it in his own autobiography, and I hear nothing but silence from the left. Where is the outrage, hypocrites?
I can't stand the pResident, but I could care less that he snorted coke when he was young. I don't care that Obama tried it, nor do I care if Bill Clinton "inhaled." That's in the past. What I care about is the present and how they conduct themselves now.
And this ducky is a lot of things, but hypocrite isn't one of them.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: JustDucky wrote: Indy, c'mon. That's really reaching. You're just analyzing and adding your own interpretation/spin. I'm not buying it. Sorry.
I can see why the thread got moved to the UUU forum.
Don't worry, though. I'm sure Dorf, Buzzsaw, and a bunch of others will eagerly leap on your bandwagon soon.
What points would you care to dispute?
None. I wouldn't do so until I had read his book, which I haven't. I have The Audacity of Hope on order from Amazon, but it hasn't arrived yet.
Just answer one question ... why would Senator Obama say "non-practicing Muslim" ... there is no such thing. You are either religious or you are not. If you aren't practicing a religion, then you are not of that religion, so to say "non-practicing X" is an oxymoron. I disagree. I was brought up in a non-practicing Catholic household. My parents were both born and raised Catholic, but weren't church-goers. They believed in "God" and went to chuch on the holidays and all......but they certainly weren't devout.
I believe the reason he said it is because Exactly. You believe. I go with cold hard facts and multiple, verifiable sources.
If a person is going to lie about his religious upbringing, it makes you wonder what else he would lie about. There is no proof he is lying about anything. Only your belief....
You don't have to be "devout" to be "practicing". If your parents ever prayed before a meal or went to Church on a holiday, they were practicing. Non-practicing does not mean non-devout, it means you no longer consider yourself Catholic. And if you do not consider yourself Catholic, then you don't have to preface with "non-practicing", you just say you have no religion.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:15 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: Uh, why was this moved to UUU2? This isn't any damn "conspiracy theory", it's information from his own autobiography.
It's your interpretation/spin on information from his own autobiography. There's a difference.
I'm not spinning anything, I'm simply asking questions about things he wrote that don't make sense. And what about the cocaine thing ... Libs were flying off the handle at the unproven allegation that Bush ever did coke in his youth, and here we have Obama fully admitting it in his own autobiography, and I hear nothing but silence from the left. Where is the outrage, hypocrites?
I can't stand the pResident, but I could care less that he snorted coke when he was young. I don't care that Obama tried it, nor do I care if Bill Clinton "inhaled." That's in the past. What I care about is the present and how they conduct themselves now.
So if a convicted murderer did 25 years in the state pen and then got out and ran for office, you would vote for him as long as his policies agreed with yours and he conducted himself appropriately today? Don't tell me the past doesn't matter ... what we did in the past affects our decision-making abilities today.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:18 pm |
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Indy4 wrote: You don't have to be "devout" to be "practicing". If your parents ever prayed before a meal or went to Church on a holiday, they were practicing. Non-practicing does not mean non-devout, it means you no longer consider yourself Catholic.
Whatever, dude. Potato, potatoe. I'll take Mr. Obama at his word until there are multiple, verifiable sources proving otherwise.
And if you do not consider yourself Catholic, then you don't have to preface with "non-practicing", you just say you have no religion. Actually I consider myself a staunch atheist. I don't believe in "God" and I despise the judgemental, hateful nature of most organized religion.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 07:24 pm |
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JustDucky wrote: Indy4 wrote: You don't have to be "devout" to be "practicing". If your parents ever prayed before a meal or went to Church on a holiday, they were practicing. Non-practicing does not mean non-devout, it means you no longer consider yourself Catholic.
Whatever, dude. Potato, potatoe. I'll take Mr. Obama at his word until there are multiple, verifiable sources proving otherwise.
And if you do not consider yourself Catholic, then you don't have to preface with "non-practicing", you just say you have no religion. Actually I consider myself a staunch atheist. I don't believe in "God" and I despise the judgemental, hateful nature of most organized religion.
Once the media love wears off, I'm sure there will be plenty.
So you see my point then ... you don't call yourself a "non-practicing catholic".
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