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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 07:55 am |
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| Or do the VanCity residents here disparage seeing the tranquil place flooded with more tourists than ever before?
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 08:04 am |
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 11:20 pm |
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What tourists? More people came for Expo, but that was a three month event.
The hilight for those tourists who do come should be gazing up at the lamp poles where we have hung all the corrupt politicians who have brought this financial calamity upon us and our grandkids.
The "International Organization of Corruption" heads should be strung up with them.
The whole province will pay for this for decades. There will be very little benefit realized from these obscene expenditures and that only in the greater Vancouver area and for a limited number or people.
Why do you think we are having all the cutbacks to social programs? To help pay for more obscene Oly spending not yet disclosed in my view.
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 05:29 am |
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Interesting opinion. Anyone else in the Lower Mainland wish to opine?
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Mazel Schlimazel
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 11:44 am |
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Posted: Fri Oct 9th, 2009 11:27 pm |
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| I couldn't have said it better than RC. The thing has been a fiasco from beginning to end. Multi million spent for a couple of weeks of horrendous traffic jams caused by people coming here watch a bunch of doped up jocks running, jumping and throwing things. Endless squabbling over who owns what symbol while the government ramps up laws that really do contravene civil rights in order to clear the streets of the homeless in order to pass off a bizarre fantasy of Vancouver as a paradise immune from the problems that have actually been plaguing it and growing steadily worse for the past two decades. If the government had spent one hundredth of the money they've spent on the Olympics on cleaning up this city's problems we'd all have been a lot better off. The Olympics? Orchestrated by a pompous poltician as a tribute to himself at an enormous cost to the citizens of this province.
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 08:36 pm |
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Well, lets not forget the damnable NDP can share the blame. It was them who applied for the bloody Olympics in the first place.
Gordo had a chance to pull us out of them once he took office, but there never was a politician who didn't love an olympics.
Only thing we can be grateful for is the fact the NDP weren't at the helm as all this was happening...if you think what the Libs has done is bad, just imagine the horror-show we'd be stuck with if the NDP had been doing it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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Realitycheck wrote: Well, lets not forget the damnable NDP can share the blame. It was them who applied for the bloody Olympics in the first place.
Gordo had a chance to pull us out of them once he took office, but there never was a politician who didn't love an olympics.
Only thing we can be grateful for is the fact the NDP weren't at the helm as all this was happening...if you think what the Libs has done is bad, just imagine the horror-show we'd be stuck with if the NDP had been doing it.
I'm not going argue such a speculative point. Maybe the NDP would have done worse and maybe they wouldn't.
The difference is that Gordo's prime goal in the past nine years has been to make the Oympics come off at any cost as a tribute to him. What do you want to bet that he will retire within six months of the Oympics?
But what I'll remember Gordo for, among other things, is that he was the man who shut down women's shelters to try to cover the horrendous debt incurred by the Oylmpics from Day One and then instituted a law that wi;; allow the police to forcibly convine homeless people because he doesn't want the world to know what kind of serious problems we have here.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 12:05 am |
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Agreed Gordo has opened the treasury to the Olympics, likely sees it as his "legacy".
Well, I'll be sure to tell all the kids and grandkids the reason their taxes are so outrageous is because of the ego of politicians and ultimately Gordo hisowndamself.
Hows that for a legacy Gordo?
You can be absolutely certain things would be even worse under the NDP...their history speaks for then and remember what Santayana said.
The homeless problem sits firmly at the feet of the Socreds, the NDP and the Liberals. But the Socreds and the NDP must take the brunt of it. Last study I saw about 55% of those on the streets have mental conditions The Socreds and after them the NDP systematically and unsympathically shut down pretty near every place these peole had been kept in warmth and safety, with unfilled promises of social programs to take the place of the homes. Think Tranquille, think Riverview to name just two.
These people need to be rounded up and put back in such places for their own good. The rest are bums and ne-er do wells who are just too damned lazy to work and should also be rounded up and put into work camps...in the frozen North.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 12:51 am |
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Realitycheck wrote: Agreed Gordo has opened the treasury to the Olympics, likely sees it as his "legacy".
Well, I'll be sure to tell all the kids and grandkids the reason their taxes are so outrageous is because of the ego of politicians and ultimately Gordo hisowndamself.
Hows that for a legacy Gordo?
You can be absolutely certain things would be even worse under the NDP...their history speaks for then and remember what Santayana said.
The homeless problem sits firmly at the feet of the Socreds, the NDP and the Liberals. But the Socreds and the NDP must take the brunt of it. Last study I saw about 55% of those on the streets have mental conditions The Socreds and after them the NDP systematically and unsympathically shut down pretty near every place these peole had been kept in warmth and safety, with unfilled promises of social programs to take the place of the homes. Think Tranquille, think Riverview to name just two.
These people need to be rounded up and put back in such places for their own good. The rest are bums and ne-er do wells who are just too damned lazy to work and should also be rounded up and put into work camps...in the frozen North.
No question that deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill created enormous social problems that no one has properly addressed since the gates were opened with the fairy tale expectation that as long these poor folks were medicated they were going to be model citizens. Now many have street drug problems as well as their original mental issues.
I don't agree with you that the rest are necessarily bums and ne'er do wells. There are plenty of examples of responsible working folks who have ended up homeless at least for some period of time through no real fault of their own. There are also a large number of homeless elderly and children. Not to many decent jobs for this group. And don't forget that there is a portion of the homeless who work.
We shouldn't forget that it was the federal liberals that decided that housing initiatives were not their responsibility, a decision that coincided with an upsurge of homelessness. Here in Vancouver, there is a real dearth of affordable rental units where lower income people have traditionally lived.
As for the shiftless ne'er do wells who exist in some number, why round them up? Why not just leave them to their own devices? Being poor and homeless is enough of a punishment for anyone unless they break the law.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 03:20 am |
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My city, Seattle, hosted the 1991 good will games. But that was about as int'l in competitive sports, as it got..
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 09:40 pm |
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onwaranupwar wrote: Realitycheck wrote: Agreed Gordo has opened the treasury to the Olympics, likely sees it as his "legacy".
Well, I'll be sure to tell all the kids and grandkids the reason their taxes are so outrageous is because of the ego of politicians and ultimately Gordo hisowndamself.
Hows that for a legacy Gordo?
You can be absolutely certain things would be even worse under the NDP...their history speaks for then and remember what Santayana said.
The homeless problem sits firmly at the feet of the Socreds, the NDP and the Liberals. But the Socreds and the NDP must take the brunt of it. Last study I saw about 55% of those on the streets have mental conditions The Socreds and after them the NDP systematically and unsympathically shut down pretty near every place these peole had been kept in warmth and safety, with unfilled promises of social programs to take the place of the homes. Think Tranquille, think Riverview to name just two.
These people need to be rounded up and put back in such places for their own good. The rest are bums and ne-er do wells who are just too damned lazy to work and should also be rounded up and put into work camps...in the frozen North.
No question that deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill created enormous social problems that no one has properly addressed since the gates were opened with the fairy tale expectation that as long these poor folks were medicated they were going to be model citizens. Now many have street drug problems as well as their original mental issues.
"s'truth, it was simply a politically expedient move and one as unpopular then as now. Guess they can't re-open the places because that would be a loss of face...but wait...there's more! The Libs could re-open the places the NDP shut down and score a huge PR victory...won't happen, too logical"
I don't agree with you that the rest are necessarily bums and ne'er do wells. There are plenty of examples of responsible working folks who have ended up homeless at least for some period of time through no real fault of their own. There are also a large number of homeless elderly and children. Not to many decent jobs for this group. And don't forget that there is a portion of the homeless who work.
Well, maybe a few...most are lazy bums and I say put 'em to work building roads or something useful in remote communities. No shortage of jobs here in Victoria, many people hold two or more and there are hundreds going begging.
We shouldn't forget that it was the federal liberals that decided that housing initiatives were not their responsibility, a decision that coincided with an upsurge of homelessness. Here in Vancouver, there is a real dearth of affordable rental units where lower income people have traditionally lived.
Then the homeless should move to some place they can afford. The reason most of them are here is for the climate and many prefer to live on the street...not all of those are mentally afflicted either. There is no obligation on society to provide housing for people in the best parts of any city. That os for those who earn it.
As for the shiftless ne'er do wells who exist in some number, why round them up? Why not just leave them to their own devices? Being poor and homeless is enough of a punishment for anyone unless they break the law.
Because they are all to often taking part of many anti-social crimes and activities. If they don't want to be part of our society-except to sponge off us- then get them the hell out of it. The are contributing nothing.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 09:51 pm |
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Realitycheck wrote:
We shouldn't forget that it was the federal liberals that decided that housing initiatives were not their responsibility, a decision that coincided with an upsurge of homelessness. Here in Vancouver, there is a real dearth of affordable rental units where lower income people have traditionally lived.
Then the homeless should move to some place they can afford. The reason most of them are here is for the climate and many prefer to live on the street...not all of those are mentally afflicted either. There is no obligation on society to provide housing for people in the best parts of any city. That os for those who earn it.
Well RC, I think you;d find that most homeless people in Vancouver are not trying to get roofs over their heads in the best parts of the city. Up until the 80's there were plenty of boarding houses and cheap apartment buildings in this town. That's history.
And we part company over exactly what society's obligation is or isn't. I think that our society does have an obligation to help people get through rough times although I will admit our way of doing it at this point is not as productive or effective as it could be.
I do agree that those who don't want to contribute shouldn't receive hand outs.
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:42 pm |
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So, Vanoc proudly declares they will finish with a balanced budget.
They carefully avoid pointing out that said budget is balanced on the backs of the taxpayers of BC and their descendants.
Case in point, those 1500 government employees who are "paid volunteers" (can you say oxymoron)? That will "save" Vanoc something like 9 million...that means it will cost the 45% of the population who produce taxes 9 million.
I guess that is what my chum is who works for the forest ministry and who spent nearly two weeks on the lower mainland recently, installing wiring for the Olympics.
It is easy to balance your budget, when someone else is paying all the bills. This is the basic concept of governance upon which the NDP is based, no wonder they wanted the Olympics here.
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 08:33 pm |
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Well, well, well...tail is wagging the dog. BC Gov't has ordered the striking ambulance workers back to work. Why? They really weren't off the job as they are an Essential Service.
So, why?
Because Vanoc told them too, that's why. Take this as a warning, the International Order Of Corruption is like a virus, invite it to your home and surrender your autonomy.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
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