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Ness757
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 10:34 pm |
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I haven't been here in awhile because I was undergoing some major changes in my life. I graduated from college, became depressed for a bit, moved to California to start my new life, and now that I'm settled here it is time to put some of the new things I believe to the test (which is why I come here).
But enough about that, I know that's not why you are all here. You're here because you saw the title and thought, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO NESS TO MAKE HIM NO LONGER AN ATHEIST?"
Well I'm here to answer that as best I can.
It all started with a sore back. To make a long story short, my lower back was hurting so I went to see a masseuse. She was a very spiritual woman and talking to her recharged some of my spiritual gifts. That got me thinking.
Then I started thinking more and more about my luck and how I'm incredibly lucky. Combined with the talks I had with my masseuse, I realized that there had to be something greater powering me.
And that's why I am no longer an atheist. I believe there is a deity or "higher force" that I am subconsciously tapping into. Basically, I don't see god as a ruler to be worshiped, but a battery to power our gifts and our dreams. In short, I don't worship god, I use him.
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zonnebloem
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 10:49 pm |
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Good to see you back Ness.
And say hello to God for me 
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 10:54 pm |
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Well, best of luck to you Ness. If that is what you need, I hope it works for you. Just remember, you had all that "luck" and the gifts you were born with or developed without believing in mythological beings. Why give credit for your own abilities to something that doesn't exist?
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zonnebloem
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 10:58 pm |
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Realitycheck schreef:
Well, best of luck to you Ness. If that is what you need, I hope it works for you. Just remember, you had all that "luck" and the gifts you were born with or developed without believing in mythological beings. Why give credit for your own abilities to something that doesn't exist?
Apparently Ness has experienced that there is a force beyond the boundaries of the materialistic world view. The fact you haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 10:59 pm |
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May the force be with you 
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Realitycheck
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:05 pm |
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zonnebloem wrote: Realitycheck schreef:
Well, best of luck to you Ness. If that is what you need, I hope it works for you. Just remember, you had all that "luck" and the gifts you were born with or developed without believing in mythological beings. Why give credit for your own abilities to something that doesn't exist?
Apparently Ness has experienced that there is a force beyond the boundaries of the materialistic world view. The fact you haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Facts and evidence for the existence of such a thing being what they are, the odds are in my favour.
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Ness757
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:21 pm |
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The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
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zonnebloem
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Posted: Sat Oct 24th, 2009 11:23 pm |
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Ness757 schreef:
The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
You are right.
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dc-2
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:13 am |
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Realitycheck wrote: zonnebloem wrote: Realitycheck schreef:
Well, best of luck to you Ness. If that is what you need, I hope it works for you. Just remember, you had all that "luck" and the gifts you were born with or developed without believing in mythological beings. Why give credit for your own abilities to something that doesn't exist?
Apparently Ness has experienced that there is a force beyond the boundaries of the materialistic world view. The fact you haven't, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Facts and evidence for the existence of such a thing being what they are, the odds are in my favour.
Ginen the nine unrefuted citations of test-case evidence cited in this thread, the "facts and evidence" definitely put the odds agaisnt you. Nine refuting test cases is nine too many.
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=208874&forum_id=70&page=2
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dc-2
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:16 am |
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zonnebloem wrote: Ness757 schreef:
The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
You are right.
What are the odds that we have the correct model of matter? They are basically zero, since there are inexplicable observations that our current models cannot deal with. However, we are iteratively approaching the correct model of matter. Just as we can of the spirit realm.
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TR1985
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:17 am |
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dc-2 wrote: zonnebloem wrote: Ness757 schreef:
The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
You are right.
What are the odds that we have the correct model of matter? They are basically zero, since there are inexplicable observations that our current models cannot deal with. However, we are iteratively approaching the correct model of matter. Just as we can of the spirit realm. Yes. However, your method really isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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AMLSurvivor
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:22 am |
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Ness757 wrote: I haven't been here in awhile because I was undergoing some major changes in my life. I graduated from college, became depressed for a bit, moved to California to start my new life, and now that I'm settled here it is time to put some of the new things I believe to the test (which is why I come here).
But enough about that, I know that's not why you are all here. You're here because you saw the title and thought, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO NESS TO MAKE HIM NO LONGER AN ATHEIST?"
Well I'm here to answer that as best I can.
It all started with a sore back. To make a long story short, my lower back was hurting so I went to see a masseuse. She was a very spiritual woman and talking to her recharged some of my spiritual gifts. That got me thinking.
Then I started thinking more and more about my luck and how I'm incredibly lucky. Combined with the talks I had with my masseuse, I realized that there had to be something greater powering me.
And that's why I am no longer an atheist. I believe there is a deity or "higher force" that I am subconsciously tapping into. Basically, I don't see god as a ruler to be worshiped, but a battery to power our gifts and our dreams. In short, I don't worship god, I use him.
Ness, my ole buddy! I'm so glad for you to get a start into seeking a deeper meaning in life. Quite honestly, I've prayed for you. Now I understand you may not have the same concept of God as I do, but you've taken the first step.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 01:27 am |
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Ness757 wrote: I haven't been here in awhile because I was undergoing some major changes in my life. I graduated from college, became depressed for a bit, moved to California to start my new life, and now that I'm settled here it is time to put some of the new things I believe to the test (which is why I come here).
But enough about that, I know that's not why you are all here. You're here because you saw the title and thought, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO NESS TO MAKE HIM NO LONGER AN ATHEIST?"
Well I'm here to answer that as best I can.
It all started with a sore back. To make a long story short, my lower back was hurting so I went to see a masseuse. She was a very spiritual woman and talking to her recharged some of my spiritual gifts. That got me thinking.
Then I started thinking more and more about my luck and how I'm incredibly lucky. Combined with the talks I had with my masseuse, I realized that there had to be something greater powering me.
And that's why I am no longer an atheist. I believe there is a deity or "higher force" that I am subconsciously tapping into. Basically, I don't see god as a ruler to be worshiped, but a battery to power our gifts and our dreams. In short, I don't worship god, I use him.
Good luck on your spiritual journey. And that "higher force" can go by a lot of names. "Ruling" is not he objective, loving is....
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 02:32 am |
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BigE wrote: Ness757 wrote: I haven't been here in awhile because I was undergoing some major changes in my life. I graduated from college, became depressed for a bit, moved to California to start my new life, and now that I'm settled here it is time to put some of the new things I believe to the test (which is why I come here).
But enough about that, I know that's not why you are all here. You're here because you saw the title and thought, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO NESS TO MAKE HIM NO LONGER AN ATHEIST?"
Well I'm here to answer that as best I can.
It all started with a sore back. To make a long story short, my lower back was hurting so I went to see a masseuse. She was a very spiritual woman and talking to her recharged some of my spiritual gifts. That got me thinking.
Then I started thinking more and more about my luck and how I'm incredibly lucky. Combined with the talks I had with my masseuse, I realized that there had to be something greater powering me.
And that's why I am no longer an atheist. I believe there is a deity or "higher force" that I am subconsciously tapping into. Basically, I don't see god as a ruler to be worshiped, but a battery to power our gifts and our dreams. In short, I don't worship god, I use him.
Good luck on your spiritual journey. And that "higher force" can go by a lot of names. "Ruling" is not he objective, loving is....
"In short, I don't worship god, I use him."
Is this a proper attitude? Hardly can be called any kind of love. I sat through long an tedious sermons condemning this very subject.
BTW, welcome back 757, I like your new suit, but, psst.. check your zipper
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 02:37 am |
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Ness, how very odd. A couple of days ago I was suddenly struck with thoughts of YOU. I mean like a brick on the head. I wondered where you weer and what you're up to. It's so wonderful to see you're still around. I'd love to catch up with what's going on in your life.
Sorry to hear about your back, but enchanted to learn that you are no longer an atheist. Although I am a Christian, I also believe that there is substantial power waiting through various other means which can lighten our loads, make us feel better etc. I don't want to create controversy here, mainly I just wanted to greet you and let you know you've been on my mind!
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 03:06 am |
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I, too, have wondered what became of you, Ness. And praying for you as well, whenever the thought of you pops into my mind. Sorry to hear about the depression. Not fun, I'm sure. I hope the changes in your life bring more positive vibes. Like John Lennon said, "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." 
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Skeptic1
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 03:25 am |
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Ness757 wrote: I haven't been here in awhile because I was undergoing some major changes in my life. I graduated from college, became depressed for a bit, moved to California to start my new life, and now that I'm settled here it is time to put some of the new things I believe to the test (which is why I come here).
But enough about that, I know that's not why you are all here. You're here because you saw the title and thought, "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO NESS TO MAKE HIM NO LONGER AN ATHEIST?"
Well I'm here to answer that as best I can.
It all started with a sore back. To make a long story short, my lower back was hurting so I went to see a masseuse. She was a very spiritual woman and talking to her recharged some of my spiritual gifts. That got me thinking.
Then I started thinking more and more about my luck and how I'm incredibly lucky. Combined with the talks I had with my masseuse, I realized that there had to be something greater powering me.
And that's why I am no longer an atheist. I believe there is a deity or "higher force" that I am subconsciously tapping into. Basically, I don't see god as a ruler to be worshiped, but a battery to power our gifts and our dreams. In short, I don't worship god, I use him.
Welcome back Ness!!! I have a couple of deep philosophical questions for you:
1) Was that masseuse "'good looking"?
2) Did the masseuse make you cry out, "Oh God, Oh God"?
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superwimp
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 05:44 am |
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Ness757 wrote: The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
Hello Ness,
While you may never know all of the mysteries of the universe I believe that if you exercise critical thinking when various concepts are presented that an individual can separate some fact from fiction. Now that your not an athiest you might want to take another look at the concept of reincarnation.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 06:52 am |
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I was once a deist, before I became agnostic. Believing in a higher power is gratifying, awe-inspiring, relaxing, comforting and all that. That doesn't make it true though, and that enlightened, euphoric appreciation of "something bigger then yourself" didn't leave when I stopped believing.
I suppose it's a love of the universe that is compelling about religion, but the universe is magnificent regardless of what you believe.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2009 09:27 am |
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TR1985 wrote: dc-2 wrote: zonnebloem wrote: Ness757 schreef:
The truth of the matter is that the odds are in no one's favor. Sure, there is a belief out there that is correct but statistically the chances of ANYONE finding it are so astronomically low we might as well believe whatever we want.
You are right.
What are the odds that we have the correct model of matter? They are basically zero, since there are inexplicable observations that our current models cannot deal with. However, we are iteratively approaching the correct model of matter. Just as we can of the spirit realm. Yes. However, your method really isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
DC-2, as usual there is much wisdom in what you say, but TR makes a very valid point. In the cause of spirituality, you narrowing it down doesn't decrease your odds signifcantly enough to be worth doing.
Good to see you all again. I will reply to the rest of you guys tomorrow. Right now, I have some post-partying to do.
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