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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:11 pm |
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama urged Americans on Friday not to jump to conclusions on the motive behind the mass shooting at the sprawling Fort Hood army base in Texas. "We don't know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," he said. Obama also said he had met on Friday with officials including FBI Director Robert Mueller. Does anybody want to play a game called process of elimination?
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama urged Americans on Friday not to jump to conclusions on the motive behind the mass shooting at the sprawling Fort Hood army base in Texas. "We don't know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," he said. Obama also said he had met on Friday with officials including FBI Director Robert Mueller. Does anybody want to play a game called process of elimination?
I can hear the boy President Now
We cannot do anything to upset the Muslim Religion --
Remember -- we are a country of true Political Correctness -- Except for
when Christians or Conservatives are in the limelight.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:08 pm |
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Obama is wasting his time. Those with an agenda will jump to conclusions with no facts are available.
The fact that he was a muslim means he must have commited the action for religious reason since muslims are inherently disloyal. The fact that he was a career military man with no history of involvement in political religious behavior is of course not pertinant. Nor is the fact that he was obviously troubled personally, and dealing with troubled soldiers on a daily basis telling him horror stories about events in Iraq.
The problems became serious apparently when he was to be deployed to Iraq. If the army had any reason to believe that he was sympathetic at all to political islam they obviously would not have chosen to send him here. I have yet to see a shread of hard evidence this had anything to do with Al Qaeda (or other islamic political) based terrorism.
Muslims, guilty to proven inocent. I guess if someone Jewish attacks someone it must be because of Israel
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:17 pm |
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noetsi wrote: Obama is wasting his time. Those with an agenda will jump to conclusions with no facts are available
Muslims, guilty to proven inocent. I guess if someone Jewish attacks someone it must be because of Israel
I Mean to tell you, as now reported, JUST BECAUSE
Hasen shouted out in -- ARABIC -- AT THE Beginning of his Attack
"God is Great" -- Means absolutely nothing at all -- Apparently !
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:26 pm |
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Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:51 pm |
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noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:19 pm |
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If you want to bash muslims before any accertained facts come in you can. I am proud of those who don't engage in islamicphobic behavior, particularly before there are any solid facts at all to base decisions on.
If one jew killed a US congressman because of his positions on Israel would you encourage general condemnation of them for such. If one anti-government zealot blew up a building killing hundreds would you engage in fits of splean against anti-government groups demanding they be punished and insisting they were disloyal to the US?
Probably not.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 09:08 pm |
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rich236 wrote: noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
Will any liberal ever condemn another liberal -- Not in your lifetime --
They had a bad childhood or something. Like the Times is ALREADY apparently insinuating
Fort Hood gunman reportedly shouted 'God is great' during rampage Kansas City Star - Nancy A. Youssef - 2 hours ago Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted "Allahu Akhbar," God is great in Arabic, during the shooting spree, the officials quoted witnesses as saying. ...
The WORD HERE IS -- WITNESSES -- that plural, - mr liberal defenders..
and of course -- he did not have a Beck or Limbaugh book on him or his car SO To blame REPUBLICANS.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:14 am |
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The truth is that this man is NOT a terrorist.
The truth is that this man is a jihadist.
Now how does America deal with the truth?
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noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
Thats the ticket noetsi, -do not take the word of the soldiers that were eyewitnesses to the attack!!! . No sir, take your stinking pukey , punky word . The word of a lying , unpatriotic slimy fool! You and a few others here are certified jackazzes! Too bad you dont join those that you defend. Put a rag on your head and go become a sand bunny!!!
Mean while you desperately want the lying leftist media spin to somehow turn that murdering scum into not only a victim but some kind of hero!--![[usa]](/forums/themes/default/usa.gif) -TZS
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noetsi wrote: Obama is wasting his time. Those with an agenda will jump to conclusions with no facts are available.
The fact that he was a muslim means he must have commited the action for religious reason since muslims are inherently disloyal. The fact that he was a career military man with no history of involvement in political religious behavior is of course not pertinant. Nor is the fact that he was obviously troubled personally, and dealing with troubled soldiers on a daily basis telling him horror stories about events in Iraq.
The problems became serious apparently when he was to be deployed to Iraq. If the army had any reason to believe that he was sympathetic at all to political islam they obviously would not have chosen to send him here. I have yet to see a shread of hard evidence this had anything to do with Al Qaeda (or other islamic political) based terrorism.
Muslims, guilty to proven inocent. I guess if someone Jewish attacks someone it must be because of Israel
Yes. their BS is smeared like so much excreta all over the board today.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:09 am |
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rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
now think about this....he did it a way that encourages others to follow up on his example...because the after effects of chatter will no doubt encourage another muslim to do the same....
will muslims be interned because of a handful ????
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:45 am |
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Mephibosheth wrote: rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
Nazis were also proud of their ideology. So are Christians, so are Jews so were soviet era communists,e tc so on and so forth. Doesn't amke them right wrong or anything based solely on being proud. Sure muslims are proud. They are also wrong. Islam is a religion that breads hate and is not condcusive with American ideology.
It may be time to show them the door. Politely.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:47 am |
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Of course, the President of the United States, a country which, mind you has millions of muslim citizens, should immediately condemn Islam and lecture us all on the dangers of Islam and hopefully inspire some of his citizens to burn mosques before an official investigation has really even started, much less concluded.
When it comes down to it, a lot of conservatives are just red-necks.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:50 am |
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CC78 wrote: Of course, the President of the United States, a country which, mind you has millions of muslim citizens, should immediately condemn Islam and lecture us all on the dangers of Islam and hopefully inspire some of his citizens to burn mosques before an official investigation has really even started, much less concluded.
When it comes down to it, a lot of conservatives are just red-necks.
Wow, you must have really missed the part of my post were I said to politly show them the door. But have it your way. Lets burn em out CC78.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:50 am |
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Remind me. After September 11, why did George Bush increase American consumption of Saudi Oil?
You guys can't put two and two together.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:52 am |
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TR1985 wrote: Remind me. After September 11, why did George Bush increase American consumption of Saudi Oil?
You guys can't put two and two together.
Don't know. Don't care. I wouldn't have done it. What is your point? Oh yeah. I remember now. It's bush's fault. Gotcha.
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rktekt3j wrote: TR1985 wrote: Remind me. After September 11, why did George Bush increase American consumption of Saudi Oil?
You guys can't put two and two together.
Don't know. Don't care. I wouldn't have done it. What is your point? Oh yeah. I remember now. It's bush's fault. Gotcha.
Explain to me why it is the biggest haters of Islam always drive the biggest gas guzzlers?
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TR1985 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: TR1985 wrote: Remind me. After September 11, why did George Bush increase American consumption of Saudi Oil?
You guys can't put two and two together.
Don't know. Don't care. I wouldn't have done it. What is your point? Oh yeah. I remember now. It's bush's fault. Gotcha.
Explain to me why it is the biggest haters of Islam always drive the biggest gas guzzlers?
I dunno. Show me the facts on this rant. Actually don't I think this is leading us nowhere and fast.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:05 am |
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rktekt3j wrote: CC78 wrote: Of course, the President of the United States, a country which, mind you has millions of muslim citizens, should immediately condemn Islam and lecture us all on the dangers of Islam and hopefully inspire some of his citizens to burn mosques before an official investigation has really even started, much less concluded.
When it comes down to it, a lot of conservatives are just red-necks.
Wow, you must have really missed the part of my post were I said to politly show them the door. But have it your way. Lets burn em out CC78.
Or perhaps the President of the United States should openly advocate brazen religious discrimination "politely" in violation of the Constitution YOU swore to uphold. Maybe Obama should setup camps, a la the Japanese internment camps, to imprison millions of Americans.
Your whining borders on ridiculous. At least with Bush, people were pissed about tangible matters like...war.
The president is not some vessel for America's ignorant to run the country like a drunken nascar tailgate party, regardless if you're a Republican or a Democrat. Leaders of nations can't just mouth off anti-religious tirades like they're pounding beers with their like-minded friends behind closed doors. Even Bush, despite his lack of leadership skills, wouldn't dare approach this incident like you're suggesting.
Certainly, passions are inflamed, but thats the point of leadership...they're expected not to succumb to the same sh*t you do. If you feel differently, then you simply lack leadership skills.
As to Islam...yes, there will be lots of discussion about this and the extent to which religious freedom can be balanced with national security issues. I should suspect the military will be more vigilant with certain trigger factors.
But no, we aren't going to purge Muslims from America or the military, regardless of how you feel right now.
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