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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:10 am |
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Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:13 am |
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rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions
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People who think islam is inherently violent should explain why its not in much of africa. Or they might want to explain the Christian crusades, the relgious wars that rose out the reformation and so on.
You can always, particularly if you are ignorant of history, single out a few Muslims and on that basis claim that Islam is inherently violent. But that just shows your ignorance not the reality.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 06:13 am |
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rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
Nazis were also proud of their ideology. So are Christians, so are Jews so were soviet era communists,e tc so on and so forth. Doesn't amke them right wrong or anything based solely on being proud. Sure muslims are proud. They are also wrong. Islam is a religion that breads hate and is not condcusive with American ideology.
It may be time to show them the door. Politely.
what you gonna do with those born and raised here???
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 06:27 am |
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noetsi wrote:
People who think islam is inherently violent should explain why its not in much of africa. Or they might want to explain the Christian crusades, the relgious wars that rose out the reformation and so on.
You can always, particularly if you are ignorant of history, single out a few Muslims and on that basis claim that Islam is inherently violent. But that just shows your ignorance not the reality.
if you conform to islam then yes there peace can exist only personal differences are likely to ever come up,,,,but among most muslims there would be peace...but you step out of line say in Saudi Arabia the home of islam and you could be executed... for a religious violation...so if the heart of islam is violent then the rest of the snake is also....
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rktekt3j
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:09 pm |
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madmex1966 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions Let's look back 50 years and tally it up.
Post for both the Christian groups who are killing others based on their religion as well as those of the Islamic groups. Total deaths comparatively speaking that is.
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rktekt3j
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:10 pm |
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Mephibosheth wrote: rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
Nazis were also proud of their ideology. So are Christians, so are Jews so were soviet era communists,e tc so on and so forth. Doesn't amke them right wrong or anything based solely on being proud. Sure muslims are proud. They are also wrong. Islam is a religion that breads hate and is not condcusive with American ideology.
It may be time to show them the door. Politely.
what you gonna do with those born and raised here??? Same door. Islam will embrace them in some other country, maybe Canada.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:28 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
Nazis were also proud of their ideology. So are Christians, so are Jews so were soviet era communists,e tc so on and so forth. Doesn't amke them right wrong or anything based solely on being proud. Sure muslims are proud. They are also wrong. Islam is a religion that breads hate and is not condcusive with American ideology.
It may be time to show them the door. Politely.
what you gonna do with those born and raised here??? Same door. Islam will embrace them in some other country, maybe Canada.
forget it...it'll never happen...it crosses so many civil rights issues, It even violates the second amendment..I understand your frustration...but...we sent man safely to the moon in the 1960's... defeated the imperial japanese and the nazi war machine simataniously...at the first sign of jihad you are voicing panic..this will feed the enemy...i already know what to do to stop them... ![[allamerican]](/forums/themes/default/allamerican.gif)
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:32 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote: The truth is that this man is NOT a terrorist.
The truth is that this man is a jihadist.
Now how does America deal with the truth?
Libs look the other way, it never happened. He is a victim of something. It is somethings fault...........
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:37 pm |
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lightoftruth wrote: Libs look the other way, it never happened. He is a victim of something. It is somethings fault...........
Hahaha...pot, meet kettle. Cons think, whether it's racism (slavery, civil rights abuses) or religious zealotry (the Crusades, Western domination and meddling in the Middle East), that once they stop (and the jury's still out on at least these two) the score reverts to all zeroes and everyone else should stop, too.
What goes around comes around. And it's baaaaaaack.
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:39 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote: madmex1966 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions Let's look back 50 years and tally it up.
Post for both the Christian groups who are killing others based on their religion as well as those of the Islamic groups. Total deaths comparatively speaking that is.
Good luck with that one,,,any how ,,,,,,
how about the empirical wizard show us the data,,,,,,GO noesti.....while you are at it, perhaps you can tell us how any Christian from the crusades is going to wack our heads of now.......We await your data set.......
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:45 pm |
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lightoftruth wrote:
rktekt3j wrote: madmex1966 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions Let's look back 50 years and tally it up.
Post for both the Christian groups who are killing others based on their religion as well as those of the Islamic groups. Total deaths comparatively speaking that is.
Good luck with that one,,,any how ,,,,,,
how about the empirical wizard show us the data,,,,,,GO noesti.....while you are at it, perhaps you can tell us how any Christian from the crusades is going to wack our heads of now.......We await your data set.......
that's easy.................you reap what they sowed.
next!
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lightoftruth
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:47 pm |
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wilmywood8455 wrote: lightoftruth wrote: Libs look the other way, it never happened. He is a victim of something. It is somethings fault...........
Hahaha...pot, meet kettle. Cons think, whether it's racism (slavery, civil rights abuses) or religious zealotry (the Crusades, Western domination and meddling in the Middle East), that once they stop (and the jury's still out on at least these two) the score reverts to all zeroes and everyone else should stop, too.
What goes around comes around. And it's baaaaaaack.
Evil is inherent in this world, only the names behind it change.
The difference between the pot and the kettle is, one believes it must be confronted to control it, the other believes if it is ignored it will go away, my good friend.....
Mornin Mr. Wood.......
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:57 pm |
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lightoftruth wrote: rktekt3j wrote: The truth is that this man is NOT a terrorist.
The truth is that this man is a jihadist.
Now how does America deal with the truth?
Libs look the other way, it never happened. He is a victim of something. It is somethings fault...........
Yeah, like someone who blames liberals for this guy's actions?
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rktekt3j
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:45 pm |
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Mephibosheth wrote: rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rktekt3j wrote:
Mephibosheth wrote: rich236 wrote:
noetsi wrote: Except of course that depends only on the comments of specific soldiers not any offical finding. The same people who reported that the shooter was dead - which he obviously was not. In violent attacks people make all kinds of claims, including the firing of weapons or attacks that never occured, that turn out to be false.
An excellent example of this is the long term claims, now discredited and rejected by the british government, that the peace marchers opened fire on British paratroopers on bloody sunday. Except they did not....even though the paratroopers repeatedly claimed (at the time) shots were fired. In the heat of the moment people can imagine things, including gun shots, that never occur.
When the actual facts are accertained from reliable, impartial sources outside the crisis of the moment we can talk about what actually happened.
The NYtimes and Every Liberal -- JUMP AT-- > EVERY EXCUSE -- NOT TO BLAME.
Like -- Just Wait a while excuse -- so THEY CAN BURY IT.
The NYtimes is running with a story of How Good and Devoted Hasan is.
You Know the Story -- It was not his Fault -- Yet they are the VERY First to Blame --
should it be a Christian or a Conservative. Is this not Right.
what is not right is that those who put down his religion for being a muslim...These people are proud of their religion...if you push enough buttons expect it to happen again...
Nazis were also proud of their ideology. So are Christians, so are Jews so were soviet era communists,e tc so on and so forth. Doesn't amke them right wrong or anything based solely on being proud. Sure muslims are proud. They are also wrong. Islam is a religion that breads hate and is not condcusive with American ideology.
It may be time to show them the door. Politely.
what you gonna do with those born and raised here??? Same door. Islam will embrace them in some other country, maybe Canada.
forget it...it'll never happen...it crosses so many civil rights issues, It even violates the second amendment..I understand your frustration...but...we sent man safely to the moon in the 1960's... defeated the imperial japanese and the nazi war machine simataniously...at the first sign of jihad you are voicing panic..this will feed the enemy...i already know what to do to stop them... The FIRST sign of jihad? Where have been mi amigo? This isn't the first sign. Schiat man, we are on the precipice. It's time to fish or cut bait.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:47 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote: madmex1966 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions Let's look back 50 years and tally it up.
Post for both the Christian groups who are killing others based on their religion as well as those of the Islamic groups. Total deaths comparatively speaking that is.
I see nobody wants to touch this one. I wonder why?
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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rktekt3j wrote: rktekt3j wrote: madmex1966 wrote: rktekt3j wrote: Unfortunate.
You have to know though. If you took every last islamic jihadist/terrorist off the face of this planet. With absolute certainty. In 50-100 years we would have the same exact problem we have right now. Because this religion breads it.
Not deniable. Don't even try.
You can say that for most religions Let's look back 50 years and tally it up.
Post for both the Christian groups who are killing others based on their religion as well as those of the Islamic groups. Total deaths comparatively speaking that is.
I see nobody wants to touch this one. I wonder why?
Why do you wish to isolate it to the last 50 years? Is it because you realize the history of Christian groups killing others is great throughout the history of man?
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:01 pm |
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So, conservatives are angry that Obama has not responded to this by forcibly deporting Muslims from America?
Do you ever stop to listen to yourselves?
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Mephibosheth wrote: noetsi wrote:
People who think islam is inherently violent should explain why its not in much of africa. Or they might want to explain the Christian crusades, the relgious wars that rose out the reformation and so on.
You can always, particularly if you are ignorant of history, single out a few Muslims and on that basis claim that Islam is inherently violent. But that just shows your ignorance not the reality.
if you conform to islam then yes there peace can exist only personal differences are likely to ever come up,,,,but among most muslims there would be peace...but you step out of line say in Saudi Arabia the home of islam and you could be executed... for a religious violation...so if the heart of islam is violent then the rest of the snake is also....
Well the damn heart is violent. The entire snake is as well. The crappy cult worship book they use instructs them to absolute and total obedience and to convert ,KILL or enslave all that are not true beleivers of the demon they call Allah.. THEY REALLY LIKE TO EXECUTE THE -KILL- ONE! Just google about the Islamists attacks around the globe.. Its worldwide! They worship an evil that commands them to murder INNOCENT women and children!!!!! And you dare put the -"if"_ before that statement. Such EVIL must be opposed not tolerated and excused. I suggest you have a long prayer and find out why you are so ignorant. Just a friendly suggestion that perhaps would bode well for you.--TZSLast edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:46 pm by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
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