Does this mean Thomas Jefferson was not a genuine Conservative?

[mazel schlimazel]

[mazel schlimazel]

[mazel schlimazel]

Was Jefferson then in favor of financial regulations, or something more akin to quasi grassroots civilian oversight over banking institutions?

[mazel schlimazel]

Here he seems to be opposed to Corporatism/ Crony Capitalism more than anything else:

[insidedge]

Jefferson was against a national bank. (Hamilton was for a national bank).

[mazel schlimazel]

Jefferson was against a national bank. (Hamilton was for a national bank).

So he's referring strictly to a national bank in these quotes, you think?

[insidedge]

Jefferson was against a national bank. (Hamilton was for a national bank).

So he's referring strictly to a national bank in these quotes, you think?

I think he's referrring to what he says, banking in general, while also pointing to his well-known objections to a national bank.

[insidedge]

More directly in answering your question, "Does this mean Thomas Jefferson was not a genuine Conservative?
Hamilton was a Federalist believing federal power should exceed that of the individual states; Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist, believing states should have sovereignty over themselves. A national bank would expand the power of the federal government, Jefferson did not want the government to get too powerful (and become as tyrannical as Britain). Thus, Liberal/Democrats are Hamiltonian; Conservative/Republicans are Jeffersonian.

[philly rabbit]

More directly in answering your question, "Does this mean Thomas Jefferson was not a genuine Conservative?
Hamilton was a Federalist believing federal power should exceed that of the individual states; Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist, believing states should have sovereignty over themselves. A national bank would expand the power of the federal government, Jefferson did not want the government to get too powerful (and become as tyrannical as Britain). Thus, Liberal/Democrats are Hamiltonian; Conservative/Republicans are Jeffersonian.

[d]

Mazel. I am guessing that you are being purposely obtuse in order to spur a debate. You are fairly well educated so I refuse to believe that you are unaware of the context to which these quotes belong.

Historical quotes, just like the bible, can be misleading when taken out of context.

[thoughtless]

I would think that the British Loyalists pretty much viewed Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the revolutionaries as left-wing radicals.

[philly rabbit]

Mazel. I am guessing that you are being purposely obtuse in order to spur a debate. You are fairly well educated so I refuse to believe that you are unaware of the context to which these quotes belong.

Historical quotes, just like the bible, can be misleading when taken out of context.

Are you a big central banking fan .. are ya?


(Of course you are)

[internet.unknown]

I would think that the British Loyalists pretty much viewed Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the revolutionaries as left-wing radicals.

Yes, and time has seen the those who value freedom switch to the side of the right. Today's conservatives, libertarians, and constitutionalists are yesterday's radicals. We're struggling against the statists, be they Republican or Democrat.

[ironbob2004]

I would think that the British Loyalists pretty much viewed Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the revolutionaries as left-wing radicals.

Yes, and time has seen the those who value freedom switch to the side of the right. Today's conservatives, libertarians, and constitutionalists are yesterday's radicals. We're struggling against the statists, be they Republican or Democrat.

Freedom always wills out. This country is no exception and it's why leftists have no chance of permanent governance here.

[cwa1991]

Jefferson was against a national bank. (Hamilton was for a national bank).

--There's even a term for his followers. They're called "Hamilitonians." (JUST LIKE INSIDEEDGE SAID, I SEE NOW...)

[thoughtless]

I would think that the British Loyalists pretty much viewed Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the revolutionaries as left-wing radicals.

Yes, and time has seen the those who value freedom switch to the side of the right. Today's conservatives, libertarians, and constitutionalists are yesterday's radicals. We're struggling against the statists, be they Republican or Democrat.

Mark Twain said: "The radical of one century is the conservative of the next."