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Muslims are threatening to leave America if Trump wins
Topic Started: Sep 2 2016, 08:24 PM (1,537 Views)
Tsalagi
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Harambe4Trump
Sep 2 2016, 11:23 PM
Two a.m.
Sep 2 2016, 10:56 PM
I certainly couldn't blame any Muslim for no longer feeling safe in this country under someone like Trump. Supposedly we have Constitutional protections that would stop Trump but we've never really elected a president before who would be as likely to ignore the Constitution so I'm not sure how it would be able to stand up to him. He might simply try to enforce his illegal ideas anyway. If Mr. Trump wins, I don't know that anyone is truly safe. Not just Muslims or Mexicans. But journalists, judges, political opponents.

Judge Learned Hand warned us many years ago: "I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
Why is safety a positive value?
From one of the Founding Fathers you reverse so much...

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Tsalagi
Sep 5 2016, 02:12 PM
Harambe4Trump
Sep 2 2016, 11:23 PM
Two a.m.
Sep 2 2016, 10:56 PM
I certainly couldn't blame any Muslim for no longer feeling safe in this country under someone like Trump. Supposedly we have Constitutional protections that would stop Trump but we've never really elected a president before who would be as likely to ignore the Constitution so I'm not sure how it would be able to stand up to him. He might simply try to enforce his illegal ideas anyway. If Mr. Trump wins, I don't know that anyone is truly safe. Not just Muslims or Mexicans. But journalists, judges, political opponents.

Judge Learned Hand warned us many years ago: "I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
Why is safety a positive value?
From one of the Founding Fathers you reverse so much...

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Where in the constitution does it call for diluting the democratic process by importing voters?
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edro14

I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
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estonianman
Sep 5 2016, 02:14 PM
Tsalagi
Sep 5 2016, 02:12 PM
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Sep 2 2016, 11:23 PM

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From one of the Founding Fathers you reverse so much...

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Where in the constitution does it call for diluting the democratic process by importing voters?
Well it should sort of go without saying that people voting doesn't dilute democracy just because they disagree with you; in fact that's sort of the point of democracy. That would be a weirdly irrelevant and obvious thing to involve in the document. Something similar is in the Declaration of Independence, however. Not that it should actually matter.
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Sep 5 2016, 02:50 PM
estonianman
Sep 5 2016, 02:14 PM
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Where in the constitution does it call for diluting the democratic process by importing voters?
Well it should sort of go without saying that people voting doesn't dilute democracy just because they disagree with you; in fact that's sort of the point of democracy. That would be a weirdly irrelevant and obvious thing to involve in the document. Something similar is in the Declaration of Independence, however. Not that it should actually matter.
still - ideologues using legislation to import support is unethical.

that said, we can't just kill them either, because then they would automatically win. :shakeshead:
Edited by estonianman, Sep 5 2016, 02:55 PM.
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estonianman
Sep 5 2016, 02:55 PM
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Sep 5 2016, 02:50 PM
estonianman
Sep 5 2016, 02:14 PM

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Well it should sort of go without saying that people voting doesn't dilute democracy just because they disagree with you; in fact that's sort of the point of democracy. That would be a weirdly irrelevant and obvious thing to involve in the document. Something similar is in the Declaration of Independence, however. Not that it should actually matter.
still - ideologues using legislation to import support is unethical.

that said, we can't just kill them either, because then they would automatically win. :shakeshead:
How so? Because if they are dead they will automatically vote Democrat early and often?
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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edro14
Sep 5 2016, 02:25 PM
I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
I am sorry, are Trump and his supporters targeting you?
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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edro14
Sep 5 2016, 02:25 PM
I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
The Yaquis were run out of Sinaloa by Mexicans and then came to the USA in the 1920's as illegal refugees....I don't deny that you are a good American now....Trump's family has been here as long as yours...I doubt that Trump will deport you now that you recently received registered tribal status and even a reservation....Indeed many families in Arizona recently arrived by swimming the Gila River.............. ;)
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edro14
Sep 5 2016, 02:25 PM
I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
I am sorry, are Trump and his supporters targeting you?
Yes he is and yes his supporters are targeting Mexicans, Native Americans and other brown folks.
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edro14
Sep 6 2016, 04:55 PM
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Sep 5 2016, 10:58 PM
edro14
Sep 5 2016, 02:25 PM
I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
I am sorry, are Trump and his supporters targeting you?
Yes he is and yes his supporters are targeting Mexicans, Native Americans and other brown folks.
Are you afraid of all fair haired people or only Trump ???................. :confused:
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edro14
Sep 6 2016, 04:55 PM
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Sep 5 2016, 10:58 PM
edro14
Sep 5 2016, 02:25 PM
I know this much, since I was born in the USA I will not leave. I am of Yaqui out the Sonora desert, I consider myself native Mexican/American. I have served this nation in more ways than one.

Most redneck republicans claiming that they will vote for Trump are misinformed selfish whose ancestors are transplants of this nation. For the most part none have served, some may have been drafted but I seriously doubt they have done anything for this country by their own volition. Many are reckless in their claim of loyalty since they have never shed blood, hardship or even offered to protect and defend this nation.

Many Trump supporters claim to be patriotic demanding that Mexicans who are here whether illegally or native born here should be deported. If we were to look at the record beginning with said individuals we would soon learn that no one invited them to migrate into the Americas. What right do they have to make demands since from the legal stand point they are really ancho babies themselves.
I am sorry, are Trump and his supporters targeting you?
Yes he is and yes his supporters are targeting Mexicans, Native Americans and other brown folks.
And is asking for their votes.... :cheers:
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Yes he is and yes his supporters are targeting Mexicans, Native Americans and other brown folks.
And is asking for their votes.... :cheers:
Lol... :lol:
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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