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Colin Kaepernick vs. John Rocker: Some Speech Is More Free Than Other Speech
Topic Started: Sep 6 2016, 04:39 AM (667 Views)
Harambe4Trump
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It doesn’t appear that in the current ten days of controversy over Kaepernick that anybody has previously brought up the Rocker analogy, even though they have obvious parallels beyond the obvious Who? Whom? differences

Update: As commenter Hepp suggests, in parallel to Obama defending Colin Kaepernick in China, here is Obama denouncing Donald Sterling in Malaysia for what Sterling said in private:
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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jazzyjeff

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Sep 6 2016, 04:39 AM
http://www.unz.com/isteve/colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech

It doesn’t appear that in the current ten days of controversy over Kaepernick that anybody has previously brought up the Rocker analogy, even though they have obvious parallels beyond the obvious Who? Whom? differences

Update: As commenter Hepp suggests, in parallel to Obama defending Colin Kaepernick in China, here is Obama denouncing Donald Sterling in Malaysia for what Sterling said in private:
Comparing the two may be a bit unfair, plus a 15 year difference. That being said our professional sports leagues now have clear language incorporated into their ethics policies that address all the wrongful things Rocker said. Currently only the NBA has language incorporated into their ethics policies that players must stand for the National Anthem. Personally I think in fairness the other leagues should adapt as well.
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Rocker was the bomb...met him at a neighbors house (John Smoltz) and he was funny as shiat....
Edited by clone, Sep 6 2016, 11:16 AM.
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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It is perfectly legitimate to be critical of someone's speech, even though they are entitled to speak it.
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Sep 6 2016, 11:19 AM
It is perfectly legitimate to be critical of someone's speech, even though they are entitled to speak it.
I doubt here any one would deny that....(well libs do spend a lot of time trying to shut down speech the snowflakes deem offensive)

What the debate is about is the double standards and/or hypocrisy of the critiques of someones speech....



This is the crux of the politics side of things as well....

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jazzyjeff
Sep 6 2016, 11:09 AM
Harambe4Trump
Sep 6 2016, 04:39 AM
http://www.unz.com/isteve/colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech

It doesn’t appear that in the current ten days of controversy over Kaepernick that anybody has previously brought up the Rocker analogy, even though they have obvious parallels beyond the obvious Who? Whom? differences

Update: As commenter Hepp suggests, in parallel to Obama defending Colin Kaepernick in China, here is Obama denouncing Donald Sterling in Malaysia for what Sterling said in private:
Comparing the two may be a bit unfair, plus a 15 year difference. That being said our professional sports leagues now have clear language incorporated into their ethics policies that address all the wrongful things Rocker said. Currently only the NBA has language incorporated into their ethics policies that players must stand for the National Anthem. Personally I think in fairness the other leagues should adapt as well.
Speaking the truth is now considered wrong and unethical while calling cops pigs gets you accolades from the Prez
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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jazzyjeff

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Sep 6 2016, 11:32 AM
jazzyjeff
Sep 6 2016, 11:09 AM
Harambe4Trump
Sep 6 2016, 04:39 AM
http://www.unz.com/isteve/colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=colin-kaepernick-vs-john-rocker-some-speech-is-more-free-than-other-speech

It doesn’t appear that in the current ten days of controversy over Kaepernick that anybody has previously brought up the Rocker analogy, even though they have obvious parallels beyond the obvious Who? Whom? differences

Update: As commenter Hepp suggests, in parallel to Obama defending Colin Kaepernick in China, here is Obama denouncing Donald Sterling in Malaysia for what Sterling said in private:
Comparing the two may be a bit unfair, plus a 15 year difference. That being said our professional sports leagues now have clear language incorporated into their ethics policies that address all the wrongful things Rocker said. Currently only the NBA has language incorporated into their ethics policies that players must stand for the National Anthem. Personally I think in fairness the other leagues should adapt as well.
Speaking the truth is now considered wrong and unethical while calling cops pigs gets you accolades from the Prez
Hey, I do not support any of Kaps behavior pertaining to the topic.
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jazzyjeff
Sep 6 2016, 11:34 AM
Harambe4Trump
Sep 6 2016, 11:32 AM
jazzyjeff
Sep 6 2016, 11:09 AM
Speaking the truth is now considered wrong and unethical while calling cops pigs gets you accolades from the Prez
Hey, I do not support any of Kaps behavior pertaining to the topic.
I didn't mean to imply that you had. Let's reveal what has occurred, John Rocker was fined for expressing his opinions while John Rocker was fined and hounded by the media while Kap is praised by Obama. Of course, John was an evil white male so no one should be surprised.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Sep 6 2016, 11:19 AM
It is perfectly legitimate to be critical of someone's speech, even though they are entitled to speak it.
Free speech does not apply when it comes to private organizations. Many organizations and corporations have policies when it comes to things like discrimination.
If ever there was an example of the term "Melting Pot", sports is it. Would not play well if the teams QB came out with a statement saying "I hate (the N word)".
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I've often wondered about the tendency on the part of conservatives to be hyper sensitive when it comes to all things patriotic. Don't wear a flag lapel pin? Clearly you're not a real American! Forget to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem! U.S. hating hippy/communist/Marxist/liberal! Decide to sit during the national anthem as a form of protest? How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are!?!

I don't know. Maybe they think they're a free American, able to decide for themselves if they wish to make overt public displays of patriotism? It's not like we live in a police state where everyone is required to display their loyalty to the state under penalty of being sent to a prison camp or summarily executed, right?
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Sep 6 2016, 11:13 AM
Rocker was the bomb...met him at a neighbors house (John Smoltz) and he was funny as shiat....
Surprised you would associate with a guy like Smoltz, who is known to be a fairly moderate guy who has supported both parties in the past.
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Sep 6 2016, 11:41 AM
I've often wondered about the tendency on the part of conservatives to be hyper sensitive when it comes to all things patriotic. Don't wear a flag lapel pin? Clearly you're not a real American! Forget to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem! U.S. hating hippy/communist/Marxist/liberal! Decide to sit during the national anthem as a form of protest? How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are!?!

I don't know. Maybe they think they're a free American, able to decide for themselves if they wish to make overt public displays of patriotism? It's not like we live in a police state where everyone is required to display their loyalty to the state under penalty of being sent to a prison camp or summarily executed, right?
Sports specifically (besides winning) is about showing respect for your piers and your fans. Personally I think there are ways to protest without sitting out the NA. By doing so your disrespecting anyone and everyone that served their country and fought for the flag.
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Sep 6 2016, 11:46 AM
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Sep 6 2016, 11:13 AM
Rocker was the bomb...met him at a neighbors house (John Smoltz) and he was funny as shiat....
Surprised you would associate with a guy like Smoltz, who is known to be a fairly moderate guy who has supported both parties in the past.
The word "moderate" is another word libs have sadly bastardized over the years... I'm a fairly moderate guy who currently supports none of the parties....

In fact it's tough to find a more moderate guy than me....
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Sep 6 2016, 11:51 AM
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Sep 6 2016, 11:46 AM
clone
Sep 6 2016, 11:13 AM
Rocker was the bomb...met him at a neighbors house (John Smoltz) and he was funny as shiat....
Surprised you would associate with a guy like Smoltz, who is known to be a fairly moderate guy who has supported both parties in the past.
The word "moderate" is another word libs have sadly bastardized over the years... I'm a fairly moderate guy who currently supports none of the parties....

In fact it's tough to find a more moderate guy than me....
Dude, you ain't no moderate. LOL
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Sep 6 2016, 12:36 PM
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Sep 6 2016, 11:51 AM
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Sep 6 2016, 11:46 AM

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The word "moderate" is another word libs have sadly bastardized over the years... I'm a fairly moderate guy who currently supports none of the parties....

In fact it's tough to find a more moderate guy than me....
Dude, you ain't no moderate. LOL
I "self identify" as one and as you know that's all that matters...
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Sep 6 2016, 12:38 PM
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Sep 6 2016, 12:36 PM
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Dude, you ain't no moderate. LOL
I "self identify" as one and as you know that's all that matters...
Bwahahaha!!!
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Sep 6 2016, 11:50 AM
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Sep 6 2016, 11:41 AM
I've often wondered about the tendency on the part of conservatives to be hyper sensitive when it comes to all things patriotic. Don't wear a flag lapel pin? Clearly you're not a real American! Forget to put your hand over your heart during the national anthem! U.S. hating hippy/communist/Marxist/liberal! Decide to sit during the national anthem as a form of protest? How dare they! Who the hell do they think they are!?!

I don't know. Maybe they think they're a free American, able to decide for themselves if they wish to make overt public displays of patriotism? It's not like we live in a police state where everyone is required to display their loyalty to the state under penalty of being sent to a prison camp or summarily executed, right?
Sports specifically (besides winning) is about showing respect for your piers and your fans. Personally I think there are ways to protest without sitting out the NA. By doing so your disrespecting anyone and everyone that served their country and fought for the flag.
And that's a fair point. You don't have to agree with how Kaepernick protested to believe in his right to protest.
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The rabid right calls Colin unpatriotic for protesting the treatment of blacks/minorities but call a militia member pointing a gun at police patriotic...

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The socks were out of line. Clearly so.

I'm glad he took a knee last week instead of sitting. It acknowledged those heroes in uniform around him while still bringing attention to his cause.

His protest has support because there are those out there that live that reality. Imagine being an American and looking at this great symbol of equality and freedom :unitedstates: - but it doesn't protect yours. It's time to stop telling people what their experiences are and to start listening instead. Minus that, the problem will remain mired.



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Kaepernick is a Muslim just as Obama.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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