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Nevada Judge Becomes Hero for Telling Trump Lawyer to “Sit Down” Over Absurd Voter Lawsuit; What Nevada did was legal, but that isn’t stopping the Trump campaign from crying foul.
Topic Started: Nov 8 2016, 04:38 PM (321 Views)
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http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/nevada-judge-tells-trump-lawyer-to-sit-down-over-absurd-voter-lawsuit
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Not one to shy away from litigation, Donald Trump is suing the Clark County, Nevada, Registrar of Voters after a Las Vegas polling station stayed open until 10 P.M. on Friday night, CNN reporter Jim Sciutto first reported on Tuesday. According to the complaint, filed by the Trump campaign on Monday, the polling station stayed open two hours longer than it should have, and the campaign wants all voting machines and ballots involved to be set aside and not counted.

Clark County judge Gloria Sturman tore into Trump’s lawyers on Tuesday afternoon. “Are [the votes] not to be counted?” she asked, exasperated, to Trump’s lawyer during a hearing on Tuesday. “What are you saying? Why are we here? You want to preserve the poll data? That is offensive to me. Why don’t we wait to see if the secretary of state wants to do this?”

“I am not going to expose people doing their civic duty helping their fellow citizens vote, that they are taking their personal time to preserve … to public attention, ridicule, and harassment,” Sturman continued, before commanding Trump’s lawyer: “Thank you, sit down.”

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The votes of properly registered voters who have cast their votes according to the rules and requirements of the state in which they were cast, should be counted in full.

Period. The end. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200.
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I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:46 PM
The votes of properly registered voters who have cast their votes according to the rules and requirements of the state in which they were cast, should be counted in full.

Period. The end. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200.
Exactly.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
Anyone, in any precinct, who was in line before the cut off time should have been permitted to vote, regardless of their party affiliation. If that did not happen in some cases and voters were turned away, then that is a valid basis for a lawsuit.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:50 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
Anyone, in any precinct, who was in line before the cut off time should have been permitted to vote, regardless of their party affiliation. If that did not happen in some cases and voters were turned away, then that is a valid basis for a lawsuit.
That is how it works today but during the early voting periods I don't know if they stay open late just to finish the line. They probably tell people to come back the next day. Today they will stay open until everyone has voted because there are no votes tomorrow.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
As long as you are in line before the polls close you are allowed to vote. End of story...
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Nov 8 2016, 04:52 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
As long as you are in line before the polls close you are allowed to vote. End of story...
I am not sure if that is how it works during early voting.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:53 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:52 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
As long as you are in line before the polls close you are allowed to vote. End of story...
I am not sure if that is how it works during early voting.
The laws of the state in questions should, of course, hold sway here. I would be very surprised though if the law allows people to be turned away who were in line prior to the cut off time, regardless of whether or not it was early voting.

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Nov 8 2016, 04:53 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:52 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
As long as you are in line before the polls close you are allowed to vote. End of story...
I am not sure if that is how it works during early voting.
From the article: Nevada law allows polling stations to remain open until everyone waiting in line has had a chance to vote. Officials from the County Registrar in Clark County, which is more than 30 percent Hispanic, observed and signed off on the decision, allowing a massive surge in voters who were in line by closing time to cast their ballots.
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Nov 8 2016, 04:56 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:53 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:52 PM
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Nov 8 2016, 04:48 PM
I think the suit might have to do with staying open in one location that is maybe heavily democrat while not staying open in other locations.

Now if there was no demand at the other locations then obviously this is just a BS case.
As long as you are in line before the polls close you are allowed to vote. End of story...
I am not sure if that is how it works during early voting.
From the article: Nevada law allows polling stations to remain open until everyone waiting in line has had a chance to vote. Officials from the County Registrar in Clark County, which is more than 30 percent Hispanic, observed and signed off on the decision, allowing a massive surge in voters who were in line by closing time to cast their ballots.
Supposedly they allowed other people to join the line after the closing time. By Nevada law that would be illegal today. During early voting it does not appear to break any rules. Here is a longer article about it.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/keeping-early-voting-polls-open-past-closing-broke-no-laws-official
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So, another case where Republicans are complaining because the rules were followed but the results probably don't favor them?
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Nov 8 2016, 05:03 PM
So, another case where Republicans are complaining because the rules were followed but the results probably don't favor them?
The action of allowing new people in line after closing time is questionable. The ruling of the judge was that there is no law against it therefor it is OK. That conflicts with the only law that exists on the matter which states that on election day (today) no new people can enter the line after closing time.

So there was no law for guidance here beyond what was in place for election day. The Trump people took the position that since the lines must be locked to new people at closing time on election day then it must also be true for early voting. Think of it as ensuring equal access.

The judge took the position that since it is not expressly denied then it is permitted.
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I and over 7,000 mail in ballots in my county were disenfranchised because the signatures were challenged....I had to re-sign and mail it again....They have heard all about me............ :wah:
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Another issue may have been what is the remedy? How do you determine whose vote should not count? I think judges like to have an idea of these things.
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Nov 8 2016, 05:06 PM
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So, another case where Republicans are complaining because the rules were followed but the results probably don't favor them?
The action of allowing new people in line after closing time is questionable. The ruling of the judge was that there is no law against it therefor it is OK. That conflicts with the only law that exists on the matter which states that on election day (today) no new people can enter the line after closing time.

So there was no law for guidance here beyond what was in place for election day. The Trump people took the position that since the lines must be locked to new people at closing time on election day then it must also be true for early voting. Think of it as ensuring equal access.

The judge took the position that since it is not expressly denied then it is permitted.
If the state legislature had intended that early voting have the same cut off times as election day voting, it would have been easy to insert that language into the law. Since that language isn't in the law, the court must assume that the legislature didn't intend early voting to have the same cut off times. While it may have in fact simply been an oversight by the legislature, it really isn't the court's job to speculate about such things. It's not stated in the law, therefore it is not illegal.

The votes will be counted.
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