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Hillary Clinton lost. Bernie Sanders could have won.; We chose the wrong candidate.
Topic Started: Nov 10 2016, 03:08 PM (2,115 Views)
Robertr2000
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Who do you think put Trump over the top?!?


"FEEL THE BURN! "


"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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voted4reagan
Nov 11 2016, 12:52 PM
Eddo36
Nov 10 2016, 03:33 PM
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Every Poll said Hillary would win...

What makes you believe this is any different??

Bernie would have lost as well...

Not every poll.
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ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:18 AM
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Nov 11 2016, 08:09 AM
ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:05 AM
Two a.m.
Nov 10 2016, 03:51 PM
The election is over. Even Hillary Clinton has taken a bow and left the stage. Yet somehow, the Sanders Butthurt Train chugs on.
There's always going to be some Monday morning quarterbacking.

Democrats could have put forth any number of candidates that could have beat Trump like a rented mule. I told you once that you guy's were gonna fu@k around and elect this douche bag. I didn't know at the time how right I was.

Bernie-bots have as much to bitch about as you do, and we've seen you do your share since Tuesday, so cut them a little slack.
Yeah, but the Berners have had months to bitch already. We're just getting started :biggrin:

Yeah, but given the grand political chasm between Bernie-Bots and Trumpies, I'd say they have a lot more problems than Hillary to bitch about now.

amirite?

Trumpies support whatever trump supports. Not the other way around. They have no ideology besides trump. If trump supports a liberal idea like... Oh I don't know.. A trillion dollar stimulus package... http://pubx.co/xbFJhE ... Trumpies and liberal progressives will join forces to get it passed.

The true losers are the conservatives
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Tesla
Nov 11 2016, 01:48 PM
ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:18 AM
wilmywood8455
Nov 11 2016, 08:09 AM
ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:05 AM
Two a.m.
Nov 10 2016, 03:51 PM
The election is over. Even Hillary Clinton has taken a bow and left the stage. Yet somehow, the Sanders Butthurt Train chugs on.
There's always going to be some Monday morning quarterbacking.

Democrats could have put forth any number of candidates that could have beat Trump like a rented mule. I told you once that you guy's were gonna fu@k around and elect this douche bag. I didn't know at the time how right I was.

Bernie-bots have as much to bitch about as you do, and we've seen you do your share since Tuesday, so cut them a little slack.
Yeah, but the Berners have had months to bitch already. We're just getting started :biggrin:

Yeah, but given the grand political chasm between Bernie-Bots and Trumpies, I'd say they have a lot more problems than Hillary to bitch about now.

amirite?

Trumpies support whatever trump supports. Not the other way around. They have no ideology besides trump. If trump supports a liberal idea like... Oh I don't know.. A trillion dollar stimulus package... http://pubx.co/xbFJhE ... Trumpies and liberal progressives will join forces to get it passed.

The true losers are the conservatives
Exactly. Maybe Trump will the one to show them the light when all others failed.
We believe only what we want to believe.
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The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is.
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Nov 11 2016, 01:58 PM
The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is.
You aren't worried about them making the same mistake next election? Remember how hard we tried to convince them? Because from what we see right now, you know 2AM will, CT will, Wilmy will, Mystique will, coverpoint will, if they don't pull their heads out of their collective asses and own up for this loss. Which is the very reason why I'm rubbing this loss in their faces so they never forget it and keep losing. Learning from the past is never moot. Change is needed and the other thing this election proves is practicality is more effective than politeness.
Edited by Eddo26, Nov 11 2016, 02:17 PM.
We believe only what we want to believe.
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Tesla
Nov 11 2016, 01:48 PM
ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:18 AM
wilmywood8455
Nov 11 2016, 08:09 AM
ringotuna
Nov 11 2016, 08:05 AM
Two a.m.
Nov 10 2016, 03:51 PM
The election is over. Even Hillary Clinton has taken a bow and left the stage. Yet somehow, the Sanders Butthurt Train chugs on.
There's always going to be some Monday morning quarterbacking.

Democrats could have put forth any number of candidates that could have beat Trump like a rented mule. I told you once that you guy's were gonna fu@k around and elect this douche bag. I didn't know at the time how right I was.

Bernie-bots have as much to bitch about as you do, and we've seen you do your share since Tuesday, so cut them a little slack.
Yeah, but the Berners have had months to bitch already. We're just getting started :biggrin:

Yeah, but given the grand political chasm between Bernie-Bots and Trumpies, I'd say they have a lot more problems than Hillary to bitch about now.

amirite?

Trumpies support whatever trump supports. Not the other way around. They have no ideology besides trump. If trump supports a liberal idea like... Oh I don't know.. A trillion dollar stimulus package... http://pubx.co/xbFJhE ... Trumpies and liberal progressives will join forces to get it passed.

The true losers are the conservatives
Nice spin. Meanwhile even MSNBC is reporting the DNC is in chaos.
Ringoism: Never underestimate the advantages of being underestimated.
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Robertr2000
Nov 11 2016, 01:01 PM
Who do you think put Trump over the top?!?


"FEEL THE BURN! "


Clinton put Trump over the top. Sanders could have beaten Trump because they both addressed working class economic issues and Sanders did not have Trump's heavy negatives. Whether Sanders could have beaten Jeb Bush is much more open to question. Both issues are moot.
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Eddo36
Nov 11 2016, 02:07 PM
Opinionated
Nov 11 2016, 01:58 PM
The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is.
You aren't worried about them making the same mistake next election? Remember how hard we tried to convince them? Because from what we see right now, you know 2AM will, CT will, Wilmy will, Mystique will, coverpoint will, if they don't pull their heads out of their collective asses and own up for this loss. Which is the very reason why I'm rubbing this loss in their faces so they never forget it and keep losing. Learning from the past is never moot. Change is needed and the other thing this election proves is practicality is more effective than politeness.
Take your 'practicality' and shove it.

Everything 2am wrote to you is true. You'd rather bask in your perceived glory while the SCOTUS gets changed for a generation or better, just so you can gloat for a little while.

You suck.


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but but but Trump won because he acted like Bernie
MEEK AND MILD
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CautionaryTales
Nov 11 2016, 12:55 PM
What matters now is how President Trump performs as President, not as candidate Trump.
correct... and Bernie will NOT be back in 2020..

Look for a new outsider type from the left...

both sides are tired of establishment candidates..

Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

Harambe4Trump AKA "FASHY"
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Nov 11 2016, 02:07 PM
Opinionated
Nov 11 2016, 01:58 PM
The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is.
You aren't worried about them making the same mistake next election? Remember how hard we tried to convince them? Because from what we see right now, you know 2AM will, CT will, Wilmy will, Mystique will, coverpoint will, if they don't pull their heads out of their collective asses and own up for this loss. Which is the very reason why I'm rubbing this loss in their faces so they never forget it and keep losing. Learning from the past is never moot. Change is needed and the other thing this election proves is practicality is more effective than politeness.
They may make the same mistake in the future. And again. And again. If they do they will eventually learn or they will cease to be politically relevant.

We can't redo the past, we can but affect the future.
Edited by Opinionated, Nov 11 2016, 06:00 PM.
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Nov 11 2016, 05:59 PM
Eddo36
Nov 11 2016, 02:07 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 01:58 PM
The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is.
You aren't worried about them making the same mistake next election? Remember how hard we tried to convince them? Because from what we see right now, you know 2AM will, CT will, Wilmy will, Mystique will, coverpoint will, if they don't pull their heads out of their collective asses and own up for this loss. Which is the very reason why I'm rubbing this loss in their faces so they never forget it and keep losing. Learning from the past is never moot. Change is needed and the other thing this election proves is practicality is more effective than politeness.
They may make the same mistake in the future. And again. And again. If they do they will eventually learn or they will cease to be politically relevant.

We can't redo the past, we can but affect the future.
If they start to forget, play them this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
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Well, it appears I was correct months ago about the election. Although I did not predict a Trump victory, after Bernie Sanders stepped down and came out of the White House meeting and half-heartedly endorsed Clinton I made the following observations:

Sanders probably would have defeated Trump if he got the nomination instead of Clinton.

The massive support he received from young voters was lost almost immediately after he sold out and a great number of young (potential Democrat) voters who lost faith with Sanders would not vote in the election.

Black voters, after riding the 8 year high with Obama, would not come out in the same numbers as they did the last two elections.

I believed that even with the young and black vote drastically decreased for Clinton she would still win because she would get most of the Hispanic vote. I was really surprised to see that approximately 27% of Hispanic voters voted for Trump. Since the election was so close that probably lost her the election (think Florida).

No matter who won between Clinton and Trump the election was a lose - lose scenario. There doesn't seem to be anyone in this country fit to be President. This election has proved that the bar has been lowered quite a few rungs and may never go any higher in the future.
Clowns to the Left, Jokers to the Right
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CautionaryTales
Nov 11 2016, 12:55 PM
What matters now is how President Trump performs as President, not as candidate Trump.
You were not able to evaluate Hillary...How in the hell can you be able to evaluate Trump ???....You should stick to writing about building guitars.............. :)
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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The most interesting thing to watch is the media's inadequate reaction. WikiLeaks isn't mentioned. Bernie getting cheated by the DNC isn't mentioned. Democrats choosing a corrupt candidate who's even more hated than Trump, isn't mentioned. In short, no self-criticism at all. The only reason they will point to, is rednecks and racists.

The most clear voice right now, I think, is Glenn Greenwald, who summarized it perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ZXFxjhzus
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Infowars About Butt-Hurt Hillary Voters Compilation By Paul Joseph Watson


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUJT5I_Y0w
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On the question of who would have won if Sanders had run against Trump, the answer is speculative, but very convincing:

Reason 1: When polled at the same time, Clinton had a 2% projected lead over Trump while Sanders had a 12 point lead.
(Source: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/why-does-sanders-do-better-clinton-against-trump)

Reason 2: Clinton's lead from that moment expanded, because of Trump's scandals, and was eroded by her WikiLeaks and DNC scandal. Sanders' lead would have expanded for the same reason, but there was no corresponding scandal big enough to erode his lead.

Reason 3: There would have been no protest vote on the left. Hillary Democrats would have rallied behind Sanders, whereas Sanders voters were cheated by the DNC and ridiculed as "parens' basement-dwellers", personally by Clinton (Source, WikiLeaks)

Reason 4: Sanders would have gotten the mainstream vote in a contest against Trump, as well as the anti-establishment vote.

Reason 5: Sanders would have gotten a boost from the African-American and female vote that he didn't have in the primaries.

Trump would have been massacred, and America would have a true progressive president. If only the Democratic party didn't screw over its best most competitive candidate, and its true grassroots base, they would have won. The saddest thing is, they're so out of touch, they will never realize their mistake.
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maxim
Nov 12 2016, 06:30 AM
The most interesting thing to watch is the media's inadequate reaction. WikiLeaks isn't mentioned. Bernie getting cheated by the DNC isn't mentioned. Democrats choosing a corrupt candidate who's even more hated than Trump, isn't mentioned. In short, no self-criticism at all. The only reason they will point to, is rednecks and racists.

The most clear voice right now, I think, is Glenn Greenwald, who summarized it perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ZXFxjhzus
I viewed the video before seeing your post. Thanks. And I am glad you mentioned WikiLeaks. The whole thing with forcing Hillary Clinton was a conspiracy between participants who tried to make sure it happened for her. And I rejected the Democratic Party, as a whole, on my general-election ballot. I simply responded to what was earned.
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary
That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.



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