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Hillary Clinton lost. Bernie Sanders could have won.; We chose the wrong candidate.
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Topic Started: Nov 10 2016, 03:08 PM (2,114 Views)
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Nov 13 2016, 06:08 AM
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"could have" comes when "have" is too late...
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Nov 13 2016, 11:13 AM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
When you are able to grab all the super delegates before the primary begins, the Democratic Party system rigged to anoint an "establishment" candidate, shows it is fatally flawed....The Democratic Party is simply not democratic....This time they nominated a higher risk candidate than Sanders............. :oyvey
She also won the majority of the at large delegates. A small detail in the Sanders fanboy narrative, I know
Without the "head start" of having almost all the super delegates, Hillary would not have won the majority of the at large delegates....A small detail in the Hillary fanboy narrative, I know.............. Had Sanders come within sniffing distance of outclassing Clinton, he would have earned their support. He didn't.
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Nov 13 2016, 11:19 AM
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The problem I see with this thread is the conservatives trying to create a reason for butthurt.
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Nov 13 2016, 11:30 AM
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The debate over whether or not Bernie would have been victorious when Clinton was not is now moot. What's done, is done. Time to let it go and move on with dealing with reality as it is. Wise. Clinton was forced upon the DNC. Ma Barker became the also ran. Bernie seems popular to our youth and yet he was an old guy. It will be hard to root the Trump/Pence duo from the White House for a long time to come. Pence is the better of the two. If he runs in 2024 then he will be very hard to beat.
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Nov 13 2016, 12:04 PM
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The post-analyses are usually interesting.
Here is the bottom line for the party which lost: They nominated absolutely the wrong candidate for 2016.
If anyone either does not recognize or avoids accepting that … then you have your head in the sand. And if that is the case, your perspective on this election is FUBAR.
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Nov 13 2016, 12:57 PM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment.
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Nov 13 2016, 02:48 PM
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The post-analyses are usually interesting.
Here is the bottom line for the party which lost: They nominated absolutely the wrong candidate for 2016.
If anyone either does not recognize or avoids accepting that … then you have your head in the sand. And if that is the case, your perspective on this election is FUBAR. I originally supported Bernie and feel he got screwed by the DNC. I only voted Hillary because voting third party never works and I refused to vote Republican.
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Robert Stout
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Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment. I fear that Sanders lost a great deal of personal credibility by strongly supporting Hillary in the election...I see the Democratic Party as leaderless at the current time...The Party must broaden their base, restrain their own Party establishment, and modify their rules if they hope to win the next election....Nominating a low risk candidate would be a big plus.........
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Nov 15 2016, 01:24 PM
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The post-analyses are usually interesting.
Here is the bottom line for the party which lost: They nominated absolutely the wrong candidate for 2016.
If anyone either does not recognize or avoids accepting that … then you have your head in the sand. And if that is the case, your perspective on this election is FUBAR.
I originally supported Bernie and feel he got screwed by the DNC. I only voted Hillary because voting third party never works and I refused to vote Republican. Hello!
I voted for Jill Stein.
I refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. I rejected the Democratic Party in every election race on my general-election ballot.
I voted the nomination, on March 8, 2016, to Bernie Sanders from home state Michigan.
I also chose to not vote for any Republican. (The way this Democratic Party has been twisted, what has gradually become of the party as having manifest over the last 30 years, to vote for "Democrats" has become almost as good as if one voted Republican.)
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Nov 15 2016, 01:35 PM
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The post-analyses are usually interesting.
Here is the bottom line for the party which lost: They nominated absolutely the wrong candidate for 2016.
If anyone either does not recognize or avoids accepting that … then you have your head in the sand. And if that is the case, your perspective on this election is FUBAR.
I originally supported Bernie and feel he got screwed by the DNC. I only voted Hillary because voting third party never works and I refused to vote Republican.
Hello! I voted for Jill Stein. I refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. I rejected the Democratic Party in every election race on my general-election ballot. I voted the nomination, on March 8, 2016, to Bernie Sanders from home state Michigan. I also chose to not vote for any Republican. (The way this Democratic Party has been twisted, what has gradually become of the party as having manifest over the last 30 years, to vote for "Democrats" has become almost as good as if one voted Republican.) Exact same. I've left the Dem Party, briefly going back hoping they'd learn. Some did at least. If Keith Ellison becomes chair then I will have hopes for it again since it will be a sign the party actually learned their lesson. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Nov 15 2016, 01:42 PM
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Who do you think put Trump over the top?!?
"FEEL THE BURN! "
Comeys letter to Congress was the death knell for Clinton. Eight of the last ten days of the campaign were clouded over with threat and innuendo. That he followed up with a useless "never mind" did nothing. The voters understood at that time that her attackers would never quit. Even though they never did find anything that could stand up in any court she was doomed where it mattered at that point in time. Too many people gave up right there and now we have President Trump as the booby prize. ------- There's no cheerleading in that statement, just answering your question honestly Robert. Why Comey did that will stay a mystery, but it was the single most impactive last minute thing I've ever seen visit an election. ------ An honorable mention to your question, and answering the "who" part, I think it was Kelleyanne Conway that changed Trumps mistake laden campaign into the winning form it became. She chilled him out just as he was becoming a joke and for some weird reason he decided to listen to her advice. Go figure. No. Clinton was the reason Comey had to write the letter.
Comey was doing his job.
Clinton herself is to blame.
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Nov 15 2016, 01:43 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepWho do you think put Trump over the top?!?
"FEEL THE BURN! "
Hillary pulled the same stunt during the primary, so what?
It wasn't any stunt. It was a tactic. You asked what happened and I answered your question. Had his stunt backfired he would be looking for a new job today. It didn't.
Maybe next time don't vote for someone under FBI investigation. Now it bites you in the ass. "More electable" you said, hahaha.
Maybe next time you will offer up a viable alternative? It's the DNC that didn't offer up a viable alternative.
Blame them.
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Nov 15 2016, 01:47 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepWho do you think put Trump over the top?!?
"FEEL THE BURN! "
It wasn't any stunt. It was a tactic. You asked what happened and I answered your question. Had his stunt backfired he would be looking for a new job today. It didn't.
Maybe next time don't vote for someone under FBI investigation. Now it bites you in the ass. "More electable" you said, hahaha.
Maybe next time you will offer up a viable alternative? It's the DNC that didn't offer up a viable alternative.
Blame them. Indeed, the DNC purposely limited the field to ensure that Clinton was their candidate. So they do have to own this. If their overall field had been as wide as the RNC field of candidates then they may have ended up with a different candidate.
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Nov 15 2016, 01:53 PM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment. That's probably a good thing. There isn't any focal point for the party now, Sanders deserves his chance to make some hay while he can. If he does rally the troops I would support him in that effort. Personally I think that focusing on grassroot levels would be the best way to rebuild the party. If it is to become a contender it needs to build a better base. It needs to cultivate younger people.
I don't think he has any shot at a future run for President. He's just too old. That said, he certainly could be a terrific role model for some of the younger crowd.
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment.
That's probably a good thing. There isn't any focal point for the party now, Sanders deserves his chance to make some hay while he can. If he does rally the troops I would support him in that effort. Personally I think that focusing on grassroot levels would be the best way to rebuild the party. If it is to become a contender it needs to build a better base. It needs to cultivate younger people. I don't think he has any shot at a future run for President. He's just too old. That said, he certainly could be a terrific role model for some of the younger crowd. Bernie sold his followers out....other than as a lame stream media guest pundit du jour he has little influence because he covered with Hillary's taint...
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Who do you think put Trump over the top?!?
"FEEL THE BURN! "
Comeys letter to Congress was the death knell for Clinton. Eight of the last ten days of the campaign were clouded over with threat and innuendo. That he followed up with a useless "never mind" did nothing. The voters understood at that time that her attackers would never quit. Even though they never did find anything that could stand up in any court she was doomed where it mattered at that point in time. Too many people gave up right there and now we have President Trump as the booby prize. ------- There's no cheerleading in that statement, just answering your question honestly Robert. Why Comey did that will stay a mystery, but it was the single most impactive last minute thing I've ever seen visit an election. ------ An honorable mention to your question, and answering the "who" part, I think it was Kelleyanne Conway that changed Trumps mistake laden campaign into the winning form it became. She chilled him out just as he was becoming a joke and for some weird reason he decided to listen to her advice. Go figure. No. Clinton was the reason Comey had to write the letter.
Comey was doing his job.
Clinton herself is to blame. Since it proved to be a giant "never mind" in the end, that comment of yours is clearly false. Comeys letter was the pivotal moment that killed Clinton just as she was poised to win.
I'm not saying that it isn't a part of the whole, I am saying it is a critical part of the whole.
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Nov 15 2016, 02:06 PM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment.
That's probably a good thing. There isn't any focal point for the party now, Sanders deserves his chance to make some hay while he can. If he does rally the troops I would support him in that effort. Personally I think that focusing on grassroot levels would be the best way to rebuild the party. If it is to become a contender it needs to build a better base. It needs to cultivate younger people. I don't think he has any shot at a future run for President. He's just too old. That said, he certainly could be a terrific role model for some of the younger crowd.
Bernie sold his followers out....other than as a lame stream media guest pundit du jour he has little influence because he covered with Hillary's taint... It's his choice and his right to see if he carries any influence. If he does he does, if not ...oh well.
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Who do you think put Trump over the top?!?
"FEEL THE BURN! "
Comeys letter to Congress was the death knell for Clinton. Eight of the last ten days of the campaign were clouded over with threat and innuendo. That he followed up with a useless "never mind" did nothing. The voters understood at that time that her attackers would never quit. Even though they never did find anything that could stand up in any court she was doomed where it mattered at that point in time. Too many people gave up right there and now we have President Trump as the booby prize. ------- There's no cheerleading in that statement, just answering your question honestly Robert. Why Comey did that will stay a mystery, but it was the single most impactive last minute thing I've ever seen visit an election. ------ An honorable mention to your question, and answering the "who" part, I think it was Kelleyanne Conway that changed Trumps mistake laden campaign into the winning form it became. She chilled him out just as he was becoming a joke and for some weird reason he decided to listen to her advice. Go figure. No. Clinton was the reason Comey had to write the letter.
Comey was doing his job.
Clinton herself is to blame.
Since it proved to be a giant "never mind" in the end, that comment of yours is clearly false. Comeys letter was the pivotal moment that killed Clinton just as she was poised to win. I'm not saying that it isn't a part of the whole, I am saying it is a critical part of the whole. Haven't you learned yet that I am right more than you are?
The future is my proof. The Clinton's are in severe danger going forward. The Truth can not be suppressed. Obama pardoning HRC(if it ever happens) will not matter.
Watch and see.
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Nov 15 2016, 07:02 PM
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Can't win the election if you can't win the primary That's the most basic point you need to understand eddo.
For the moment at least, Bernie Sanders has been the inheritor of the Democratic Party. His base is the future and although he may not run himself in 2020, he appears to be about to guide the party up to that key moment.
That's probably a good thing. There isn't any focal point for the party now, Sanders deserves his chance to make some hay while he can. If he does rally the troops I would support him in that effort. Personally I think that focusing on grassroot levels would be the best way to rebuild the party. If it is to become a contender it needs to build a better base. It needs to cultivate younger people. I don't think he has any shot at a future run for President. He's just too old. That said, he certainly could be a terrific role model for some of the younger crowd.
Bernie sold his followers out....other than as a lame stream media guest pundit du jour he has little influence because he covered with Hillary's taint... That was his only mistake- he was way too soft on Hillary and the DNC. Should have smashed her down to the ground.
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