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DNC staff: Arrogance cost Hillary Clinton the election vs. Donald Trump
Topic Started: Nov 13 2016, 11:19 AM (499 Views)
peewee

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/12/dnc-staff-arrogance-cost-hillary-clinton-the-election-vs-donal/21604328/
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Clinton's loss at the hands of Donald Trump amounted to the most surprising outcome in the history of modern electoral politics. Of course things could've been done differently. And ignoring that fact wasn't going to make the searing defeat any easier.

"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.

If the arrogance shown by those who supported Ma Barker here was indicative of many Ma supporters in the real world then the entire Clinton campaign was ripe with arrogance. A lesson to be learned in the future. Did anyone who follows college football notice that yesterday 3 of the top 4 ranked college teams in the nation lost to arguably lesser teams? Since California Chrome, a heavy favorite at the recent Breeder's cup lost and including our election and then college ball the under dog has won. It is infectious for the near term it seems.
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What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Conservatism is a social disease
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Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
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George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
it's almost as if the whole process was...






...what's the word I'm looking for???....





wait for it....









RIGGED

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Republicans sign checks on the front, democrats sign them on the back…True story!
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I suspect that it was divine intervention that smite the Hillary campaign...She had the polls and pundits predicting her victory until her astonishing defeat...The Lord works in mysterious ways... He does not like evil...Democrats need to learn the power of prayer and reject political correctness.......... :pray:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Perhaps, if it was it may mean we as a nation need to take a very close look at our self policing.
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Big_Mike
Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
Give it up for Big Mike, ladies and gentlemen! :hooray: Big Mike! :hooray:
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Had nothing to do with this....

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Big_Mike
Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
Really? I'm looking down the list of the most important presidential appointments and seeing surprisingly few people with senior positions of even second rank in the Bill Clinton administration. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Vice President of the United States - Joseph R. Biden
Department of State - John Kerry
Department of the Treasury - Jack Lew
Department of Defense - Ashton Carter
Department of Justice - Loretta E. Lynch
Department of the Interior - Sally Jewell
Department of Agriculture - Thomas J. Vilsack
Department of Commerce - Penny Pritzker
Department of Labor - Thomas E. Perez
Department of Health and Human Services - Sylvia Mathews Burwell
Department of Housing and Urban Development - Julián Castro
Department of Transportation - Anthony Foxx
Department of Energy - Ernest Moniz
Department of Education - John King
Department of Veterans Affairs - Robert McDonald
Department of Homeland Security - Jeh Johnson
White House Chief of Staff - Denis McDonough
Environmental Protection Agency - Gina McCarthy
Office of Management & Budget - Shaun L.S. Donovan
United States Trade Representative - Michael Froman
United States Mission to the United Nations - Samantha Power
Council of Economic Advisers - Jason Furman
Small Business Administration - Maria Contreras-Sweet

And I haven't included guys like Axelrod who run the political side of the shop. The fact is that for eight years even the right wing Obama haters have bitched about "the Chicago Mafia" and nobody has suggested than the Clintons were pulling even little strings for jobs or policy matters.
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Nov 13 2016, 05:19 PM
Big_Mike
Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
Really? I'm looking down the list of the most important presidential appointments and seeing surprisingly few people with senior positions of even second rank in the Bill Clinton administration. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Vice President of the United States - Joseph R. Biden
Department of State - John Kerry
Department of the Treasury - Jack Lew
Department of Defense - Ashton Carter
Department of Justice - Loretta E. Lynch
Department of the Interior - Sally Jewell
Department of Agriculture - Thomas J. Vilsack
Department of Commerce - Penny Pritzker
Department of Labor - Thomas E. Perez
Department of Health and Human Services - Sylvia Mathews Burwell
Department of Housing and Urban Development - Julián Castro
Department of Transportation - Anthony Foxx
Department of Energy - Ernest Moniz
Department of Education - John King
Department of Veterans Affairs - Robert McDonald
Department of Homeland Security - Jeh Johnson
White House Chief of Staff - Denis McDonough
Environmental Protection Agency - Gina McCarthy
Office of Management & Budget - Shaun L.S. Donovan
United States Trade Representative - Michael Froman
United States Mission to the United Nations - Samantha Power
Council of Economic Advisers - Jason Furman
Small Business Administration - Maria Contreras-Sweet

And I haven't included guys like Axelrod who run the political side of the shop. The fact is that for eight years even the right wing Obama haters have bitched about "the Chicago Mafia" and nobody has suggested than the Clintons were pulling even little strings for jobs or policy matters.
You need to do a little homework, GA. I'll take just the top few to prove my point:

Jack Lew was a former Clinton political appointee in the 90s, he served as Special Assistant to the President in 93 and 94
Ashton Carter was also a Clinton political appointee, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Global Strategic Affairs in Bill's first term.
Loretta Lynch was a political appointment of Bill's, he made her US Attorney in the New York Eastern District.
Thomas Vilsack has been a friend of the Clintons since the 70s when Hillary worked on a Watergate committee with his brother in law.
Thomas Perez was Deputy Assistant Attorney General under Janet Reno.
Sylvia Mathews was the White House Deputy Cheif of Staff for Bill Clinton in his second term.

Do I really need to keep going? The only people who haven't been working side by side with the Clintons for years are the people who used to work for the big banks and were put into positions of power to keep the Wall St money flowing into the party.
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This sounds awfully familiar:

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And they attribute it to one fundamental reason: Clinton's campaign leaders always thought they knew best. The DNC was to do what it was told: Essentially, be seen and not heard.


Reminds me of the attitude Clinton's supporters and how Democrats and liberals were supposed to just shut up and join the march to the voting booths.
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Nov 13 2016, 06:03 PM
This sounds awfully familiar:

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And they attribute it to one fundamental reason: Clinton's campaign leaders always thought they knew best. The DNC was to do what it was told: Essentially, be seen and not heard.


Reminds me of the attitude Clinton's supporters and how Democrats and liberals were supposed to just shut up and join the march to the voting booths.
Yep...and OP you were the only one who held steadfast and pointing this out...they and the DNC conspired against you as much as they did us....

We saw the same thing in the GOP but we prevailed over our um "betters" and changed the course of history...

Bout time to let the inmates run the asylum for a while...can't do any worse than the SCOAMF who will soon be leaving...

Phase 1 complete. Dissent is not an option <sarc>

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Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

If that's the only thing he does for the rest of his life he will have served his people well. Jackson and Sharpton have presided over the demise of the black family, the imprisonment of a large percentage of young black males, and the destruction of their living areas. It wouldn't appear that anyone could do worse... easily.
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Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Or why some people were so supportive of her. More electable, the only one who can beat Trump. Where were they fed all that from?

Having the big media in your pockets really help get the sheep. Question everything next time.
Edited by Eddo26, Nov 15 2016, 08:06 PM.
We believe only what we want to believe.
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peewee
Nov 13 2016, 04:32 PM
Big_Mike
Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
Give it up for Big Mike, ladies and gentlemen! :hooray: Big Mike! :hooray:
The issues will not excite Obama as much as the millions he will make from speaking engagements............ :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Nov 16 2016, 02:55 AM
peewee
Nov 13 2016, 04:32 PM
Big_Mike
Nov 13 2016, 03:16 PM
George Aligator
Nov 13 2016, 12:59 PM
What interests me is how Hillary, with all her obvious flaws, managed to capture the Democratic Party years before the first primary.
Easy, GA. Obama didn't clean house when he assumed control of the Party. He was an outsider, much like Trump and Reagan, who didn't have the political machine established in DC the way the Clintons and the Bushs did. So he was forced to bring in a bunch of Clinton cronies to fill many positions.

Essentially he just assumed control of the Clinton machine for 8 years.

Remember, Hillary thought she was going to be nominated and elected in 2008. He usurped years of work and effort on her part. Used her political apparatus while he was the functioning head. And while he did so, he used her political machine to build a coalition of Democrat voters that she couldn't keep united.

What really interests me is whether or not Obama will allow anyone else to take control of the Democrat Party now that he is out of office.

Because we haven't seen the last of Obama. He is about to replace Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as the nation's unofficial racial grievance officer, and use his popularity and political history to dwarf their media and cultural presence for the rest of his life.

Right now, Trump may be President, but Obama is the leader of black America, and there's no reason to believe he won't remain so for a long time.
Give it up for Big Mike, ladies and gentlemen! :hooray: Big Mike! :hooray:
The issues will not excite Obama as much as the millions he will make from speaking engagements............ :biggrin:
Or the billions he will make sitting on a few corporate boards.
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Remember when @jonathanchait directly argued that liberals should promote Trump? Clinton campaign argued the same thing, per internal memos...me too

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