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Newt Gingrich: Seven questions for the New York Times; A "must read" for all liberals
Topic Started: Nov 16 2016, 10:25 AM (1,321 Views)
George Aligator
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W A Mozart
Nov 18 2016, 11:30 AM
George Aligator
Nov 18 2016, 09:50 AM
It is incredible to read Georgie DEFENDING the New York Times, which is CLEARLY a one-party newspaper, no different than Pravda or the Voelkische Beobachter.
Here is an example of the garbled logic and political hysteria that has infected our political discourse and distorted the thinking of even an intelligent and educated guy like Mozart.

Almost every paper published is a "one-party newspaper". Editorial boards exist to create a coherent set of political policies and endorsements, with very rare exceptions, endorsements are made of parties as well as individual candidates. This has been true for centuries. It is a basic fact about how newspapers operate.

Ignorance of the facts about editorial policy is one thing; illogical manipulation of that ignorance is more dishonest and more sinister. The commonality of editorial structure does not mean that editorial content is the same in different papers. Pravda and The New York Times are both "one-party" newspapers, but so are L'Osservatore Romano and The Chicago Tribune. Mozart's statement isn't an argument, it is a propaganda trick, part of the "fake news" approach that has polluted the exchange of ideas essential to American democracy. Mozart knows far better than to flout this stuff. He should be ashamed of himself.
So, then, we both agree!

So, OK. Here's the plan. I'll call that weirdo Sulzberger and request (from the both of us) that the masthead from the New York Times, which states "the paper of record," be replaced with "Voice of the Democratic Party!"

Okey dokey?

:cheers:


Mozart
I take your proposal as an acknowledgement of the validity of my criticisms. Attempts at humorous deflection in defeat is a childish tactic I associate with guys like Robert Stout, not with the Virtuoso of Salzburg.

Perhaps you are unaware of the meaning of the term of journalistic art, "paper of record." It refers to the legal requirement for publication of certain legal notices -- probate of wills, auction of seized goods, notices to bid for public contracts etc. The various laws requiring such publication spell out the requirements in different ways (frequency and location of publication, certified readership etc.) because of its dominating position in the Tri-State market, the NYT has been the "paper of record" for many years. Its appearance on the masthead is a claim about circulation, not editorial policy.

Trump's Tweet War on The New York Times is an internal bit of pep talk to give the low end of his base a feel-good project. If you chose to descend to defending Trump and his conservative movement at that level, you are of course, free to do so. I shall miss you.
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W A Mozart
Nov 18 2016, 11:30 AM
George Aligator
Nov 18 2016, 09:50 AM
It is incredible to read Georgie DEFENDING the New York Times, which is CLEARLY a one-party newspaper, no different than Pravda or the Voelkische Beobachter.
Here is an example of the garbled logic and political hysteria that has infected our political discourse and distorted the thinking of even an intelligent and educated guy like Mozart.

Almost every paper published is a "one-party newspaper". Editorial boards exist to create a coherent set of political policies and endorsements, with very rare exceptions, endorsements are made of parties as well as individual candidates. This has been true for centuries. It is a basic fact about how newspapers operate.

Ignorance of the facts about editorial policy is one thing; illogical manipulation of that ignorance is more dishonest and more sinister. The commonality of editorial structure does not mean that editorial content is the same in different papers. Pravda and The New York Times are both "one-party" newspapers, but so are L'Osservatore Romano and The Chicago Tribune. Mozart's statement isn't an argument, it is a propaganda trick, part of the "fake news" approach that has polluted the exchange of ideas essential to American democracy. Mozart knows far better than to flout this stuff. He should be ashamed of himself.
So, then, we both agree!

So, OK. Here's the plan. I'll call that weirdo Sulzberger and request (from the both of us) that the masthead from the New York Times, which states "the paper of record," be replaced with "Voice of the Democratic Party!"

Okey dokey?

:cheers:


Mozart

The NY Times pretends it is politically neutral...Like my hero Joseph Goebbels's said, "The bigger the lie, the more effective it is".............. :oyvey
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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George Aligator
Nov 18 2016, 12:39 PM
W A Mozart
Nov 18 2016, 11:30 AM
George Aligator
Nov 18 2016, 09:50 AM
It is incredible to read Georgie DEFENDING the New York Times, which is CLEARLY a one-party newspaper, no different than Pravda or the Voelkische Beobachter.
Here is an example of the garbled logic and political hysteria that has infected our political discourse and distorted the thinking of even an intelligent and educated guy like Mozart.

Almost every paper published is a "one-party newspaper". Editorial boards exist to create a coherent set of political policies and endorsements, with very rare exceptions, endorsements are made of parties as well as individual candidates. This has been true for centuries. It is a basic fact about how newspapers operate.

Ignorance of the facts about editorial policy is one thing; illogical manipulation of that ignorance is more dishonest and more sinister. The commonality of editorial structure does not mean that editorial content is the same in different papers. Pravda and The New York Times are both "one-party" newspapers, but so are L'Osservatore Romano and The Chicago Tribune. Mozart's statement isn't an argument, it is a propaganda trick, part of the "fake news" approach that has polluted the exchange of ideas essential to American democracy. Mozart knows far better than to flout this stuff. He should be ashamed of himself.
So, then, we both agree!

So, OK. Here's the plan. I'll call that weirdo Sulzberger and request (from the both of us) that the masthead from the New York Times, which states "the paper of record," be replaced with "Voice of the Democratic Party!"

Okey dokey?

:cheers:


Mozart
I take your proposal as an acknowledgement of the validity of my criticisms. Attempts at humorous deflection in defeat is a childish tactic I associate with guys like Robert Stout, not with the Virtuoso of Salzburg.

Perhaps you are unaware of the meaning of the term of journalistic art, "paper of record." It refers to the legal requirement for publication of certain legal notices -- probate of wills, auction of seized goods, notices to bid for public contracts etc. The various laws requiring such publication spell out the requirements in different ways (frequency and location of publication, certified readership etc.) because of its dominating position in the Tri-State market, the NYT has been the "paper of record" for many years. Its appearance on the masthead is a claim about circulation, not editorial policy.

Trump's Tweet War on The New York Times is an internal bit of pep talk to give the low end of his base a feel-good project. If you chose to descend to defending Trump and his conservative movement at that level, you are of course, free to do so. I shall miss you.
Georgie, look, the New York Times is gonna get hammered! Hammered! The gloves have come off and the new Trump administration will be HIGHLIGHTING the fact that the "Times" is an adjunct of the Democratic Party. Liberals, leftists, socialists, (communists...?) anarchists, and general idiots. It's over. The fun and games is over. Sulzberger is gonna have his pants pulled down and EXPOSED as to what this operation really is, .....a Liberal/Democratic advocacy rag. Get it? No Republicans on the the Times? Really? And then, like, how do THEY know what we're all about? How? It is the Voelkische Beobachter all over again...!


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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
Poor Mr. Peabody, showin his not so smart arse agin!!! :biggrin:

Carlos Slim becomes top New York Times shareholder
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-times-warrants-carlos-slim-idUSKBN0KN2M820150114
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W A Mozart
Nov 17 2016, 01:28 PM
Furthermore,

Watch how the BBC handled the Trump election via their correspondent in Berlin. Good stuff.

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A few hours after US President-elect Donald Trump took to the stage to make his acceptance speech, as evening fell in Berlin, small candles were quietly lit and carefully placed in front of aged, stone doorsteps and along the darkening pavements.
Berliners were marking the anniversary of Kristallnacht (when Jewish people and their businesses were violently attacked in 1938).
It was barely noted amid the febrile howl of international reaction to the US election. Neither was the 27th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, which shares the same date.
But both events - and all that they represent of this country's past - explain, partially at least, why Germans were so repulsed by Donald Trump's election rhetoric and why so few (4% by one poll's reckoning) wanted him in the White House.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37936207


Wow. Didja know that "Kristallnacht" is the same date as the US elections, and the election of one Donald Trump? Wow. Who'd a thought? Can you hear the jackboots? Can you hear them playing "Alte Kameraden" again (see below) Never mind that the Trump election was "welcomed" by the equally conservative Netanyahu. Never mind that Trump's son-in-law is Jewish. What they're really doing is "equating" the deportation of illegal immigrants with Kristallnacht. Same thing. Spin the story to your liking, your point of view.


They're marching again....!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmIWnEnrQrI


Mozart
Furthermore, ....

Alte Kameraden is a very popular song from the 19th century. My grandfather fought in World War I for the Austrian Kaiser. This song brought TEARS to the eyes of war veterans in Germany and Austria. The trenches, the deaths, the insanity of war in general. I can remember my grandmother listening to this song in a traditional Bavarian beer garden, and I was with her, and ...crying. I only knew my grandfather when I was very, very young. A decent man, an honorable man, who fought for the Austrian Kaiser in Russian and the Isonzo front in Italy. He won the Austrian Iron Cross for his bravery. Again, listen to "Alte Kameraden."


Mozart
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peewee
Nov 18 2016, 01:12 AM
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Nov 17 2016, 08:25 PM
peewee
Nov 17 2016, 12:42 AM
George Aligator
Nov 16 2016, 12:24 PM
peewee
Nov 16 2016, 11:58 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepBreitbart News and Fox News
One is tempted to ask little Peewee the question that dumbfounded Mrs. Palin, "what papers do you read every day?"
Zero newspapers. Who would have time to read a newspaper? A retired, a homeless, a housewife, a stay at home dad, unemployed...productive people have no time to read a newspaper is my point.
Sorry but retired people are not unproductive people. In fact if they have enough money to be retired they are probably far from unproductive.
If they are doing nothing then they are not productive. Many have no retirement savings and are living in Section 8 housing, working at McDonalds, and are far removed from the unicorn and butterfly existence that you envision.

Sorry but my dad who worked his ass off and saved his entire working life so he can have a retirement where he owns his own house and pays his own bills isnt part of a "unicorn and butterfly existance" and I resent that you imply it about people who spent years supporting themselves and idiots like you and who were productive enough to be able to retire.


The problem is condescending hypocrites like you talk s**t about people who don't save for retirement and leech off the system and then talk s**t about people who do prepare for their retirement and support themselves.
What have you done other than talk out of your ass about people and things you dont know?

When someone points out that your idiocy isnt true for everyone you reply condescendingly and say stupid s**t implying they live in a fantasy world? Not everyone is a leech sucking on the taxpayer tit and not everyone fits into your negative worldview. So grow up, loser.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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