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| California Sen. Barbara Boxer files long shot bill to scrap the Electoral College system | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 16 2016, 02:55 PM (323 Views) | |
| dcbl | Nov 16 2016, 02:55 PM Post #1 |
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Good guys wear white hats
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California Sen. Barbara Boxer files long shot bill to scrap the Electoral College system Retiring Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) filed legislation Tuesday to abolish the Electoral College in light of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote but still losing the election. Such legislation makes a statement after an election that shocked Democrats, but is unlikely to gain traction with Republicans holding control of both chambers of Congress in a lame duck session. |
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Republicans sign checks on the front, democrats sign them on the back…True story! | |
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| estonianman | Nov 16 2016, 02:57 PM Post #2 |
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Somebody put this dumb bitch out to pasture. |
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| coverpoint | Nov 16 2016, 02:59 PM Post #3 |
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So much for the "voice of the people"... |
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| Drudge X | Nov 16 2016, 03:33 PM Post #4 |
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So Los Angeles should decide who should be president? |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| coverpoint | Nov 16 2016, 03:38 PM Post #5 |
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Shouldn't the majority of the American voters select the President of the United States? The majority of the voters in each state select the Legislators and Senators for each state. Why shouldn't the majority of voters in America select the American president? |
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| Drudge X | Nov 16 2016, 03:56 PM Post #6 |
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Clinton lead the popular votes because of Los Angeles voters. US is not part of CA. It's the other way around. |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| Robert Stout | Nov 16 2016, 04:01 PM Post #7 |
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Forget California seceding...Throw their ass out of the USA so we can be guaranteed a rational government................
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Colors | Nov 18 2016, 09:18 PM Post #8 |
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This would be more worthy of touching me if there was also the Democratic Party getting rid of closed primaries—and making them all open—and the party getting rid of their superdelegates. I will be very moved after the Democratic Party follows through with those two before we can all get rid of the Electoral College. |
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| black sheep | Nov 19 2016, 11:52 AM Post #9 |
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Barbara Boxer was for the Electoral College before she was against it... |
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| George Aligator | Nov 19 2016, 12:10 PM Post #10 |
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When our Constitution was written, everyone had lived under the indirect election of Prime Minister that is part of the parliamentary system, so it was natural that senators would be elected by state governments and the President selected indirectly by Electors. The indirect system powerfully strengthened the states' rights idea of the United States as a confederation of sovereign states, more like the EU than what we have here today. This structure has become increasingly archaic since the enormous expansion and transformation of the country since the Civil War. The problem with constitutional deadwood like the Electoral College is that it falls easy prey to powerful interests wishing to control the government without the necessary popular support to do so. Both George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump were elected by a minority of citizens, an idea incompatible with basic democratic principles. It may be that we should restore sovereignty to the individual states and downgrade the federal government to something like the EU or UN; or perhaps we should abolish the Electoral College and the U.S. Senate and create a direct national democracy. One thing seems increasingly clear: the half-and-half compromise approach with its much-vaunted "checks and balances" has become increasingly cumbersome and antique. |
| Conservatism is a social disease | |
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| coverpoint | Nov 19 2016, 02:29 PM Post #11 |
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The electoral college would be much fairer if the number of electors were based on the number of congressional districts rather than on the number of congressional districts + 2 senate seats. The current system gives Wyoming, Alaska, North and South Dakota with a combined population of 2.7 million, 12 electoral votes. Nevada has a population of 2.7 million people and they have a total of 6 electoral votes. The current system is not a Democracy nor a Representative Republic. Edited by coverpoint, Nov 19 2016, 02:29 PM.
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| estonianman | Nov 19 2016, 02:31 PM Post #12 |
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Hillary lost. Get over it. |
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| coverpoint | Nov 19 2016, 02:33 PM Post #13 |
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Actually, the system is "rigged". |
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| estonianman | Nov 19 2016, 02:35 PM Post #14 |
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Its "rigged" so the Morlocks do not win every election. Get over it. |
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| 70-101 | Nov 19 2016, 03:29 PM Post #15 |
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Boxer's days are numbered.
Edited by 70-101, Nov 19 2016, 03:30 PM.
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| George Aligator | Nov 19 2016, 03:41 PM Post #16 |
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You are exactly right about the EC; however, that "unfairness" is the reason for the EC to exist. It's history goes right back to the 3/5 Compromise and the demand for state independence and excessive federal influence on the part of the Southern slave states as their price for agreeing to join the United States. This demand was not simple racism; the slave plantation states were not only the richest of the original 13 colonies, the capital value of their slave population was greater than all the assets of the northern states combined. The federal government has been rigged in favor of the wealthy oligarchy from the beginning and, however much some contemporary excitement may rock the boat, nothing is going to change that. Throw a bone or a black victim to the redneck mob when necessary, it never changes anything. |
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