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Republicans Now Control Record Number of State Legislative Chambers
Topic Started: Nov 16 2016, 09:48 PM (749 Views)
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CautionaryTales
Nov 17 2016, 09:29 AM
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Nov 16 2016, 10:42 PM
Don't forget, Trump has 34 governorships.
Thirty five if you account for his American Governrship in the name of Putin.
Still hung up on the red scare

Did you ever find proof of your conspiracy theories? Or still scrambling for clues?
Edited by estonianman, Nov 17 2016, 09:32 AM.
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Here's the GOP elephant in the living room of this discussion
Under the Constitution, a convention duly called for by 33 state legislatures can be summoned with the power to instantly change the Constitution without the possibility of review by the President, Congress, or the Supreme Court. Any proposed amendment passed by 38 of the 50 state representatives becomes part of the Constitution. Such amendments -- and there is no limit to the number which can be passed at such a convention -- could include:

An amendment providing for the secession of any state from the USA
An amendment providing Christianity as the established church in a rewriting of the First Amendment
Amendments criminalizing abortion, homosexuality, contraception etc.

Well, you get the idea. What you don't get is how close we are to having this scenario come to pass and how powerful are the forces behind the scenes who have been working on a strategy to implement it for some years now. Good luck.
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I have been assured by Trump's many dedicated followers that the stock market will do nothing but climb while he is President. That being the case, California clearly has nothing to worry about. Right?

Oh, and privatizing Social Security, like Republicans wanted to do not so very long ago, would have tied Social Security to the Stock Market, so that dependence can't possibly be a bad thing. Right?
I doubt I need to remind you of what would have happened if a small amount of your SS acct would have been placed in your hands over the past 15 years... those who decided to take control of a small portion of their accounts would be significantly wealthier... but it's fascinating to watch you take conservative fiscal doctrine on board. You do understand that over time the stock market's trajectory is up and that the govt is $20 trillion in debt??? not to mention the tens of trillions in unfunded obligations ... like SS. California will be voting Trump next time, right?
So, which is it? Is it good that California's retirement funds are invested in the Stock Market or is it bad? It can't be good for Social Security but bad for California.

You need to decide which it is and be consistent.
California needs the money EVERY year, they're not long term investors who can wait for the market to correct, when the bubble pops, CA goes thru severe budget cuts... that's the problem - investing in the market long term blows away the govt return which is why CA did it, unfortunately they did it thinking that return is there every year... and you're complaining I'M not consistent... Xrist
And the SS fund needs the money EVERY YEAR. There is no appreciable difference between the two.
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States like Kansas. Ever been to Kansas? A flat, dirty landscape where you can drive for hours and not see a single human being, or Trump supporter.

Most of these states are depopulated backwaters, land of religious nuts, home schooled dimwits and high school football fans. Practically no one has traveled out of state their whole lives, much less own a passport. Stack up ten of these states and they wouln't equal the population of CA or NY. On cross country road trips they're the places you hope to drive through, only stopping for gas
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Nov 17 2016, 10:00 AM
States like Kansas. Ever been to Kansas? A flat, dirty landscape where you can drive for hours and not see a single human being, or Trump supporter.

Most of these states are depopulated backwaters, land of religious nuts, home schooled dimwits and high school football fans. Practically no one has traveled out of state their whole lives, much less own a passport. Stack up ten of these states and they wouln't equal the population of CA or NY. On cross country road trips they're the places you hope to drive through, only stopping for gas
A State where a man can reach down, grab some rich, dark soil, and know his efforts will feed hungry men, women, and children..to acknowledge his mastery over his land, his land, not a condo on the upper side with it's a view.. of well more concrete and instead of a soft thrum of crickets to fall asleep to or a gentle rain, the noise of the traffic right outside his door.

As for depopulated, I love where I live and need a bullhorn to say good morning to my neighbor instead of being to able to walk out my back door and knock on the other guys window. Granted western NC is not KS, but it builds character to have s nice stretch of the legs to the back of the farm, skip a creek, and my children were close to school. Home of those...football fans, a sport that fosters comraderie, teamwork, discipline, discipline in a time when many urban zones are combat zones with a 50% dropout rate.

Flyover states, like Kansas don't have much I agree to the coasties, then again, having lived on both coasts...I'll stay where I am now and enjoy a quiet nite tonite with nary a sound but that of me and my wife's heartbeats.
Edited by Tsalagi, Nov 17 2016, 10:17 AM.
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And how are those states doing, for the most part? Pray, tell us how great they are. And don't bother with Texas, we've heard it about Texas before.
hahahaha... you think IL, NJ, CA are in better financial shape?
Speaking for California, we're doing pretty well atm. Ever since we stopped letting Republicans muck everything up.
Really? Look up... It's boom or bust with you guys since you tied yourself to the market. Even JB recognizes that's no way to run a RR.
I have been assured by Trump's many dedicated followers that the stock market will do nothing but climb while he is President. That being the case, California clearly has nothing to worry about. Right?

Oh, and privatizing Social Security, like Republicans wanted to do not so very long ago, would have tied Social Security to the Stock Market, so that dependence can't possibly be a bad thing. Right?
Immediate gains and losses in the markets are a guarantee. Long term gains, more than 5 years, are a certainty. It has nothing to do with who is PotUS.
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Nov 17 2016, 10:17 AM
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Nov 17 2016, 10:00 AM
States like Kansas. Ever been to Kansas? A flat, dirty landscape where you can drive for hours and not see a single human being, or Trump supporter.

Most of these states are depopulated backwaters, land of religious nuts, home schooled dimwits and high school football fans. Practically no one has traveled out of state their whole lives, much less own a passport. Stack up ten of these states and they wouln't equal the population of CA or NY. On cross country road trips they're the places you hope to drive through, only stopping for gas
A State where a man can reach down, grab some rich, dark soil, and know his efforts will feed hungry men, women, and children..to acknowledge his mastery over his land, his land, not a condo on the upper side with it's a view.. of well more concrete and instead of a soft thrum of crickets to fall asleep to or a gentle rain, the noise of the traffic right outside his door.

As for depopulated, I love where I live and need a bullhorn to say good morning to my neighbor instead of being to able to walk out my back door and knock on the other guys window. Granted western NC is not KS, but it builds character to have s nice stretch of the legs to the back of the farm, skip a creek, and my children were close to school. Home of those...football fans, a sport that fosters comraderie, teamwork, discipline, discipline in a time when many urban zones are combat zones with a 50% dropout rate.

Flyover states, like Kansas don't have much I agree to the coasties, then again, having lived on both coasts...I'll stay where I am now and enjoy a quiet nite tonite with nary a sound but that of me and my wife's heartbeats.
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Nov 17 2016, 10:00 AM
States like Kansas. Ever been to Kansas? A flat, dirty landscape where you can drive for hours and not see a single human being, or Trump supporter.

Most of these states are depopulated backwaters, land of religious nuts, home schooled dimwits and high school football fans. Practically no one has traveled out of state their whole lives, much less own a passport. Stack up ten of these states and they wouln't equal the population of CA or NY. On cross country road trips they're the places you hope to drive through, only stopping for gas
And this is why the Founders chose a Republic for our government rather than direct democracy. It is also why we have the Electoral College rather than a direct vote.
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Nov 17 2016, 09:56 AM
Here's the GOP elephant in the living room of this discussion
Under the Constitution, a convention duly called for by 33 state legislatures can be summoned with the power to instantly change the Constitution without the possibility of review by the President, Congress, or the Supreme Court. Any proposed amendment passed by 38 of the 50 state representatives becomes part of the Constitution. Such amendments -- and there is no limit to the number which can be passed at such a convention -- could include:

An amendment providing for the secession of any state from the USA
An amendment providing Christianity as the established church in a rewriting of the First Amendment
Amendments criminalizing abortion, homosexuality, contraception etc.

Well, you get the idea. What you don't get is how close we are to having this scenario come to pass and how powerful are the forces behind the scenes who have been working on a strategy to implement it for some years now. Good luck.
Sobering thought , George.


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It appears the nation was ready for our agenda and real change.

We do we send special ops after the Cartels?
Edited by Alt Right PEPE, Nov 17 2016, 01:30 PM.
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Nov 17 2016, 01:26 PM
It appears the nation was ready for our agenda and real change
Time for your brand of White Power politics, with its generous helping of misogyny and intolerance to sink or swim buddy boy.
There will be no excuses accepted this time next year if there is a net loss of quality in this country.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Nov 17 2016, 01:34 PM.


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Nov 17 2016, 11:22 AM
Tsalagi
Nov 17 2016, 10:17 AM
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Nov 17 2016, 10:00 AM
States like Kansas. Ever been to Kansas? A flat, dirty landscape where you can drive for hours and not see a single human being, or Trump supporter.

Most of these states are depopulated backwaters, land of religious nuts, home schooled dimwits and high school football fans. Practically no one has traveled out of state their whole lives, much less own a passport. Stack up ten of these states and they wouln't equal the population of CA or NY. On cross country road trips they're the places you hope to drive through, only stopping for gas
A State where a man can reach down, grab some rich, dark soil, and know his efforts will feed hungry men, women, and children..to acknowledge his mastery over his land, his land, not a condo on the upper side with it's a view.. of well more concrete and instead of a soft thrum of crickets to fall asleep to or a gentle rain, the noise of the traffic right outside his door.

As for depopulated, I love where I live and need a bullhorn to say good morning to my neighbor instead of being to able to walk out my back door and knock on the other guys window. Granted western NC is not KS, but it builds character to have s nice stretch of the legs to the back of the farm, skip a creek, and my children were close to school. Home of those...football fans, a sport that fosters comraderie, teamwork, discipline, discipline in a time when many urban zones are combat zones with a 50% dropout rate.

Flyover states, like Kansas don't have much I agree to the coasties, then again, having lived on both coasts...I'll stay where I am now and enjoy a quiet nite tonite with nary a sound but that of me and my wife's heartbeats.
:hooray:

Attaburnsinhell has become hopelessly citified.............. :shakeshead:
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Nov 17 2016, 01:26 PM
It appears the nation was ready for our agenda and real change
Time for your brand of White Power politics, with its generous helping of misogyny and intolerance to sink or swim buddy boy.
There will be no excuses accepted this time next year if there is a net loss of quality in this country.
Your brand of Hillary politics was totally rejected by the deplorables.......... :)
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Nov 17 2016, 01:26 PM
It appears the nation was ready for our agenda and real change.

We do we send special ops after the Cartels?
Anyone can predict what the nation is ready for. Prophesy is free and nobody any longer cares about the track record of the prophet.

What I can say with some confidence is that if you want a revolutionary change in the United States government, you have a choice of two paths. The one much talked about consists of electing guys like Bannon and oiling up your gun collection. That one is a non starter. Reagan got elected twice and nothing revolutionary happened. All those handguns and semi-auto long guns in your closet don't amount to a flea fart compared to your state police, much less the US military.

The other path is a constitutional convention called by 34 state legislatures to pass amendments, which take 37 states. Now you're talking! You can nationalize the Fortune 500 and institute socialism beyond the wildest dreams of the Scandinavian left. Or you can close the public schools, sell off all federal land and take the vote away from women and minorities. The sky is the limit under Plan B and there isn't a damn thing the President or the Congress or the courts can do about it. Conservatives already have over 30 states under control and are looking for significantly more by 2018 with a boost from the Trump administration. What is best of all: the Dems and libs will never see it coming until it is way too late to do anything about it. God bless America :unitedstates:
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It appears the nation was ready for our agenda and real change.

We do we send special ops after the Cartels?
Anyone can predict what the nation is ready for. Prophesy is free and nobody any longer cares about the track record of the prophet.

What I can say with some confidence is that if you want a revolutionary change in the United States government, you have a choice of two paths. The one much talked about consists of electing guys like Bannon and oiling up your gun collection. That one is a non starter. Reagan got elected twice and nothing revolutionary happened. All those handguns and semi-auto long guns in your closet don't amount to a flea fart compared to your state police, much less the US military.

The other path is a constitutional convention called by 34 state legislatures to pass amendments, which take 37 states. Now you're talking! You can nationalize the Fortune 500 and institute socialism beyond the wildest dreams of the Scandinavian left. Or you can close the public schools, sell off all federal land and take the vote away from women and minorities. The sky is the limit under Plan B and there isn't a damn thing the President or the Congress or the courts can do about it. Conservatives already have over 30 states under control and are looking for significantly more by 2018 with a boost from the Trump administration. What is best of all: the Dems and libs will never see it coming until it is way too late to do anything about it. God bless America :unitedstates:
I thought you were missing out on participation in the revolution with your support of Hillary and more of the same....I am glad you are finally seeing the light....Better late than never........... :popcorn:
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I doubt I need to remind you of what would have happened if a small amount of your SS acct would have been placed in your hands over the past 15 years... those who decided to take control of a small portion of their accounts would be significantly wealthier... but it's fascinating to watch you take conservative fiscal doctrine on board. You do understand that over time the stock market's trajectory is up and that the govt is $20 trillion in debt??? not to mention the tens of trillions in unfunded obligations ... like SS. California will be voting Trump next time, right?
So, which is it? Is it good that California's retirement funds are invested in the Stock Market or is it bad? It can't be good for Social Security but bad for California.

You need to decide which it is and be consistent.
California needs the money EVERY year, they're not long term investors who can wait for the market to correct, when the bubble pops, CA goes thru severe budget cuts... that's the problem - investing in the market long term blows away the govt return which is why CA did it, unfortunately they did it thinking that return is there every year... and you're complaining I'M not consistent... Xrist
And the SS fund needs the money EVERY YEAR. There is no appreciable difference between the two.
Let's recap, shall we?

1. You asked how many of these republican controlled states were doing economically.
2. I pointed out how a few very blue/democrat controlled states were doing(not well), the implication being that the red states could hardly be worse than 3 of the 4 states with the worst credit rating in the country.
3. You stated, without providing any evidence, that California was doing quite well.
4. I produced evidence that financial analysts and the state's governor were already quite concerned about a downturn, the reason being that Calpers in an attempt to shore up its position has invested heavily in the stock market and that as a consequence, California's economy was a boom-bust varietal. California's credit rating is, as mentioned previously... in the terlet.
5. You deflected by mentioning a SS strategy that hasn't been implemented(some measure of privatization) seeking to dovetail a position held in the real world(California's foray into the stock market) to one which currently does not exist(SS privatization) and thinking you've made some kind of point.
6. Not content with peddling nonsense which doesn't support your argument, you attempt to correlate a state, which is completely reliant on income from the stock market EVERY year to balance its budget, I put it in capital letters again hoping you might notice, with individuals such as you and I who go decades without tapping into SS and realizing its increase.

I would mention again that the proposed SS revision, which you were so strongly against, only involved a portion of your entire portfolio and was voluntary... you seemed to have some problem with people being free to invest a small percentage of their proceeds as they wished. This objection apparently disappeared with your state govt adopting a similar strategy, tho with much larger dollars. And then you complained of others being consistent. It is to laugh.
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