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We have 100 days to stop Donald Trump from systemically corrupting our institutions The transition period is our last best chance to save the republic; This is how Vladimir Putin governs Russia, and how the Mubarak/Sisi regime rules Egypt.
Topic Started: Nov 17 2016, 05:12 PM (671 Views)
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W A Mozart
Nov 18 2016, 09:06 AM
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America will go the way of Iran under a christian fascist theocracy


I've read a lot of silly stuff on this blog, but THAT may take the cake!

A Christian fascist theocracy...?


Mozart
Fascism in Italy was the elder brother of National Socialism in Germany. Italy was a totally Catholic country and Mussolini had the overt support of the Catholic Church. Franco's fascist Falange in Spain was similarly supported by the Catholic Church as were fascist regimes in Latin America. Christian fascism, far from an oxymoron, has actually been the norm.

Here in the USA Joe McCarthy had the guidance as well as the active support of the Catholic Church and while the RCC today is more influenced by the "preferential option" it remains, as do almost all branches of Christianity, authoritarian and patriarchal, a common bond with fascism.

To date at least, the Trump whirligig of government formation has by passed the religious right and focused on other conservative groups. This reflects the new reality that evangelical Christians are more committed to secular social and economic issues than they were a generation ago. What will happen when the SCOTUS issue relights the torch of Roe vs. Wade remains to be seen.
Conservatism is a social disease
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Attaburnsinhell
Nov 17 2016, 05:50 PM
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This is the classic worry about campaign contributions or revolving doors — the fear that wealthy interests can give money to public officials and in exchange receive favorable treatment from the political system. But in a classic essay on “The Concept of Systemic Corruption in American History,” the economist John Joseph Wallis reminds us that in the Revolutionary Era and during the founding of the republic, Americans worried about something different. Not the venal corruption we are accustomed to thinking about, but what he calls systemic corruption. He writes that 18th-century thinkers “worried much more that the king and his ministers were manipulating grants of economic privileges to secure political support for a corrupt and unconstitutional usurpation of government powers.”

We are used to corruption in which the rich buy political favor. What we need to learn to fear is corruption in which political favor becomes the primary driver of economic success.

Many American administrations have featured acts of venal corruption, and Trump’s will likely feature more than most. The larger risk, however, is that Trump’s lack of grounding in ideological principles or party networks will create a systemically corrupt government. Such governments, Wallis writes, “are rent creating, not rent seeking, governments” that operate by “limiting access to markets and resources in order to create rents that bind the interests of the ruling coalition together.”

This is how Vladimir Putin governs Russia, and how the Mubarak/Sisi regime rules Egypt. To be a successful businessman in a systemically corrupt regime and to be a close supporter of the regime are one and the same thing.



This is way over the heads of the dummies who voted for Trump





Us dummies just outsmarted you and all the other self proclaimed smart people a week ago Tuesday.

And the irony is ...we told you how and why we were going to do it and you people (yes you people) still missed it.

And we are the dumb ones...???

:dunno:





Edited by clone, Nov 18 2016, 05:15 PM.
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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clone
Nov 18 2016, 05:15 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Nov 17 2016, 05:50 PM
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This is the classic worry about campaign contributions or revolving doors — the fear that wealthy interests can give money to public officials and in exchange receive favorable treatment from the political system. But in a classic essay on “The Concept of Systemic Corruption in American History,” the economist John Joseph Wallis reminds us that in the Revolutionary Era and during the founding of the republic, Americans worried about something different. Not the venal corruption we are accustomed to thinking about, but what he calls systemic corruption. He writes that 18th-century thinkers “worried much more that the king and his ministers were manipulating grants of economic privileges to secure political support for a corrupt and unconstitutional usurpation of government powers.”

We are used to corruption in which the rich buy political favor. What we need to learn to fear is corruption in which political favor becomes the primary driver of economic success.

Many American administrations have featured acts of venal corruption, and Trump’s will likely feature more than most. The larger risk, however, is that Trump’s lack of grounding in ideological principles or party networks will create a systemically corrupt government. Such governments, Wallis writes, “are rent creating, not rent seeking, governments” that operate by “limiting access to markets and resources in order to create rents that bind the interests of the ruling coalition together.”

This is how Vladimir Putin governs Russia, and how the Mubarak/Sisi regime rules Egypt. To be a successful businessman in a systemically corrupt regime and to be a close supporter of the regime are one and the same thing.



This is way over the heads of the dummies who voted for Trump





Us dummies just outsmarted you and all the other self proclaimed smart people a week ago Tuesday.

And the irony is ...we told you how and why we were going to do it and you people (yes you people) still missed it.

And we are the dumb ones...???







Yep, pretty much
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You don't even live in this country anymore do ya atta???
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grannyhawkins
Nov 18 2016, 09:57 PM
You don't even live in this country anymore do ya atta???
I come and go
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George Aligator
Nov 18 2016, 02:58 PM
W A Mozart
Nov 18 2016, 09:06 AM
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America will go the way of Iran under a christian fascist theocracy


I've read a lot of silly stuff on this blog, but THAT may take the cake!

A Christian fascist theocracy...?


Mozart
Fascism in Italy was the elder brother of National Socialism in Germany. Italy was a totally Catholic country and Mussolini had the overt support of the Catholic Church. Franco's fascist Falange in Spain was similarly supported by the Catholic Church as were fascist regimes in Latin America. Christian fascism, far from an oxymoron, has actually been the norm.

Here in the USA Joe McCarthy had the guidance as well as the active support of the Catholic Church and while the RCC today is more influenced by the "preferential option" it remains, as do almost all branches of Christianity, authoritarian and patriarchal, a common bond with fascism.

To date at least, the Trump whirligig of government formation has by passed the religious right and focused on other conservative groups. This reflects the new reality that evangelical Christians are more committed to secular social and economic issues than they were a generation ago. What will happen when the SCOTUS issue relights the torch of Roe vs. Wade remains to be seen.

The SCOTUS were for Jim Crow laws before they were against it...Many of the most cherished liberal court decisions in more recent decades are subject to biting the dust in the next four years.............. :usa:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Trump lost the popular vote. Fifty-five thousand popular votes precisely distributed and he would have lost the EC vote as well. This happened in an election where a majority of voters did not vote for a presidential candidate. Trump has zero chips in the real power base of the Republican Party. He has zero political experience. He is going nowhere. He will be a puppet president like the Decider was. The bitter rednecks who voted for him have been suckered just as they were suckered by Ronald Reagan. The real question is: what alliances will control the new Congress when it gets rolling this winter?
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Nov 18 2016, 02:21 PM
estonianman
Nov 17 2016, 11:04 PM
I think its time the SS pay a visit to Atta's house.
Atta can bite down on the capsule or take a bullet to the head ???.................... :confused:
Its easier to just start mocking the Clinton campaign. Atta should start tweeting that he has evidence that will put Hillary in prison.

He'll end up with 17 bullets in the back of the head - suicide.
Edited by estonianman, Nov 19 2016, 04:21 PM.
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