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Hillary Clinton Calls On Congress, Silicon Valley To Address Fake News “Epidemic”
Topic Started: Dec 9 2016, 07:00 AM (2,248 Views)
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"War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Clausewitz


Since war is a continuation of politics, then in essence politics is war.


"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." - Winston Churchill.

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Dec 9 2016, 04:15 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:57 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:52 PM
LOL, CT starts a Hillary thread then calls her old news when he reads something he doesn't like. That's rich.

So, regarding fake news. What do you propose be done?...or do you stop short at 'somebody should do something."
Well, she is old news and happens to be no more than an errand girl for a legitimate issue.
Do you think it is something we should not be concerned about?

I think that laws should be in place that penalize those that share fake news.
I've made my concerns known on this very thread. Pay attention.

So we pass a law, then what? How do we quantify what is and is not fake? Who decides? Particularly these days when accusations are excused as opinion, opinion is confused with news, and News is what the media decides to tell us. You simply cannot segregate the truth from a lie when the truth is simply what we choose to believe. You're treading on very thin first amendment issues here CT. Consequences my friend....consequences.
If the consequence of addressing faked news that the perpetrators of that faked news have issued damage the Constitution as it stands, that's the breaks.
The Constitution is a flexible document and has to adapt to the problems of abuse that have arisen over the years.
The Second Amendment is suffering the consequences of people that have abused the right to bear unlimited arms and there isn't a whole lot of difference between abusers of the First Amendment by people that want to abuse the right of unlimited free speech.

The Constitution has the provision to be amended to correct those problems that were not expected Whalen the Constitution was written. That's why it has the provision to be updated.

Dont be upset with the people that want a civil society. Be upset with the people that want to push beyond the limits the Constitution is capable of setting.


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Dec 9 2016, 04:15 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:57 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:52 PM
LOL, CT starts a Hillary thread then calls her old news when he reads something he doesn't like. That's rich.

So, regarding fake news. What do you propose be done?...or do you stop short at 'somebody should do something."
Well, she is old news and happens to be no more than an errand girl for a legitimate issue.
Do you think it is something we should not be concerned about?

I think that laws should be in place that penalize those that share fake news.
I've made my concerns known on this very thread. Pay attention.

So we pass a law, then what? How do we quantify what is and is not fake? Who decides? Particularly these days when accusations are excused as opinion, opinion is confused with news, and News is what the media decides to tell us. You simply cannot segregate the truth from a lie when the truth is simply what we choose to believe. You're treading on very thin first amendment issues here CT. Consequences my friend....consequences.
Mr. Ringotuna actually makes a very valid point. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to tailor a law in such a way that only those with malicious intent are restricted from passing on fabricated news, without treading over into the territory of censorship and the government deciding what is "true".
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Hillary who? :lol:



Why listen to that old bag, she's finished. And probably facing jail time.
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Dec 9 2016, 06:37 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 04:15 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:57 PM
ringotuna
Dec 9 2016, 03:52 PM
LOL, CT starts a Hillary thread then calls her old news when he reads something he doesn't like. That's rich.

So, regarding fake news. What do you propose be done?...or do you stop short at 'somebody should do something."
Well, she is old news and happens to be no more than an errand girl for a legitimate issue.
Do you think it is something we should not be concerned about?

I think that laws should be in place that penalize those that share fake news.
I've made my concerns known on this very thread. Pay attention.

So we pass a law, then what? How do we quantify what is and is not fake? Who decides? Particularly these days when accusations are excused as opinion, opinion is confused with news, and News is what the media decides to tell us. You simply cannot segregate the truth from a lie when the truth is simply what we choose to believe. You're treading on very thin first amendment issues here CT. Consequences my friend....consequences.
Mr. Ringotuna actually makes a very valid point. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to tailor a law in such a way that only those with malicious intent are restricted from passing on fabricated news, without treading over into the territory of censorship and the government deciding what is "true".
Then we will bear the weight of the consequences.

Just as the weight of doing nothing about guns has its consequences


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Dec 9 2016, 07:44 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 06:37 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 04:15 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:57 PM
ringotuna
Dec 9 2016, 03:52 PM
LOL, CT starts a Hillary thread then calls her old news when he reads something he doesn't like. That's rich.

So, regarding fake news. What do you propose be done?...or do you stop short at 'somebody should do something."
Well, she is old news and happens to be no more than an errand girl for a legitimate issue.
Do you think it is something we should not be concerned about?

I think that laws should be in place that penalize those that share fake news.
I've made my concerns known on this very thread. Pay attention.

So we pass a law, then what? How do we quantify what is and is not fake? Who decides? Particularly these days when accusations are excused as opinion, opinion is confused with news, and News is what the media decides to tell us. You simply cannot segregate the truth from a lie when the truth is simply what we choose to believe. You're treading on very thin first amendment issues here CT. Consequences my friend....consequences.
Mr. Ringotuna actually makes a very valid point. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to tailor a law in such a way that only those with malicious intent are restricted from passing on fabricated news, without treading over into the territory of censorship and the government deciding what is "true".
Then we will bear the weight of the consequences.

Just as the weight of doing nothing about guns has its consequences
What do you suggest we "do"?
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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One way to understand the fake news phenomenon is to think of it as blurring the separation between various genre of news media. Many fake news stories come from presenting as text ideas which would traditionally have be presented as political cartoon. This doesn't excuse or justify some of the outrageous fake news stories but it does point to the fact that social media, smart phones and other new media have overwhelmed our long-standing expectations of the various messaging and news media technologies in our culture.
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Dec 9 2016, 07:50 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 03:57 PM

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I've made my concerns known on this very thread. Pay attention.

So we pass a law, then what? How do we quantify what is and is not fake? Who decides? Particularly these days when accusations are excused as opinion, opinion is confused with news, and News is what the media decides to tell us. You simply cannot segregate the truth from a lie when the truth is simply what we choose to believe. You're treading on very thin first amendment issues here CT. Consequences my friend....consequences.
Mr. Ringotuna actually makes a very valid point. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to tailor a law in such a way that only those with malicious intent are restricted from passing on fabricated news, without treading over into the territory of censorship and the government deciding what is "true".
Then we will bear the weight of the consequences.

Just as the weight of doing nothing about guns has its consequences
What do you suggest we "do"?
I have suggested that we adopt laws that address those that circulate fake news.
I think that lies that cause harm should have consequences.

Perhaps civil liability?

If we are not willing to do something substantial about a problem we deserve to suffer the consequences.


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Dec 9 2016, 07:58 PM
One way to understand the fake news phenomenon is to think of it as blurring the separation between various genre of news media. Many fake news stories come from presenting as text ideas which would traditionally have be presented as political cartoon. This doesn't excuse or justify some of the outrageous fake news stories but it does point to the fact that social media, smart phones and other new media have overwhelmed our long-standing expectations of the various messaging and news media technologies in our culture.
A too large part of our population are too stupid to understand that there is opinion and there are lies.
They are not the same thing.


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Dec 9 2016, 08:06 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 07:50 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 07:44 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 06:37 PM
ringotuna
Dec 9 2016, 04:15 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
Mr. Ringotuna actually makes a very valid point. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to tailor a law in such a way that only those with malicious intent are restricted from passing on fabricated news, without treading over into the territory of censorship and the government deciding what is "true".
Then we will bear the weight of the consequences.

Just as the weight of doing nothing about guns has its consequences
What do you suggest we "do"?
I have suggested that we adopt laws that address those that circulate fake news.
I think that lies that cause harm should have consequences.

Perhaps civil liability?

If we are not willing to do something substantial about a problem we deserve to suffer the consequences.
"...we adopt laws that address those that circulate fake news."

and who decides what "Fake News" is ?
Edited by Robertr2000, Dec 9 2016, 08:57 PM.
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Dec 9 2016, 08:08 PM
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Dec 9 2016, 07:58 PM
One way to understand the fake news phenomenon is to think of it as blurring the separation between various genre of news media. Many fake news stories come from presenting as text ideas which would traditionally have be presented as political cartoon. This doesn't excuse or justify some of the outrageous fake news stories but it does point to the fact that social media, smart phones and other new media have overwhelmed our long-standing expectations of the various messaging and news media technologies in our culture.
A too large part of our population are too stupid to understand that there is opinion and there are lies.
They are not the same thing.
Is propaganda a lie?
Edited by Robertr2000, Dec 9 2016, 09:01 PM.
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When did she turn against CNN/MSNBC? (see "fake newz")
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Dec 9 2016, 11:42 PM
When did she turn against CNN/MSNBC? (see "fake newz")
"U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News to Americans"
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/





Fake News anyone?
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Edited by Robertr2000, Dec 10 2016, 12:11 AM.
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https://youtu.be/QZKEMN7jhAU

:lol:
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Dec 9 2016, 04:26 PM
The danger of fake news is the issue here, not who is warning us about it.
The Republicans would be smart to listen because they are as vulnerable as Clinton was.

Words of wisdom from one of the few posters with the confidence to whistle into the hurricane. Fake news is a symptom of a deeper breakdown in that public exchange of ideas which the operating mechanism of our democracy.

For years, students of our system have worried over the problem of the uninformed voter. Now we are bedeviled; by the misinformed voter. This is a further degeneration of American culture, one which presages and accelerates our decline as a leader among the world's advanced democracies.
For at least a few decades there has been a conspiracy to misinform the public....The main difference today is that the public is becoming aware of it and is LESS vulnerable to fake news...This may explain how Trump was elected........... :booboo:
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Dec 9 2016, 07:00 AM
Hillary Clinton on Thursday urged Congress and leaders in Silicon Valley to tackle the “epidemic of fake news,” telling Republican and Democratic lawmakers it’s an issue that can impact both sides of the political aisle.


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The media is the de facto 4th branch of government. Unfortunately, they take marching orders from Democrats.
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Dec 9 2016, 05:17 PM
If the consequence of addressing faked news that the perpetrators of that faked news have issued damage the Constitution as it stands, that's the breaks.
The Constitution is a flexible document and has to adapt to the problems of abuse that have arisen over the years.
The Second Amendment is suffering the consequences of people that have abused the right to bear unlimited arms and there isn't a whole lot of difference between abusers of the First Amendment by people that want to abuse the right of unlimited free speech.
The Constitution has the provision to be amended to correct those problems that were not expected Whalen the Constitution was written. That's why it has the provision to be updated.
Dont be upset with the people that want a civil society. Be upset with the people that want to push beyond the limits the Constitution is capable of setting.

First of all, it's very unlikely that you'll get the support to ratify a constitutional amendment that encroaches on freedom of expression. There are enough citizens and representatives who recognize the danger in empowering the government to control and limit speech. You should be less concerned with limiting the rights of the citizenry and more concerned with limiting the power of the government. Any such law you would propose is ripe for abuse and subject to political bias. It opens the door to allowing the government censorship of critical opinions. Not just the government, but politically motivated entities within the government. How comfortable are you with giving those powers over to a Republican controlled congress? White House? Supreme Court?
The idea that you can legislate a civil society is quite naive and almost as silly as your projecting that I'm upset with people who want a civil society. Most of us want a civil society. What thoughtful, civil people don't want is to further empower the heavy hand of government to judge and determine what speech is permissible and what is not.
Edited by ringotuna, Dec 10 2016, 04:10 AM.
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