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Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts; What voter fraud?
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Topic Started: Dec 13 2016, 01:09 PM (926 Views)
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So basically because the numbers don't match exactly, which isn't horribly unusual when dealing with human beings, there must have been significant voter fraud. Regardless of the fact that the article doesn't address, at all, how large a discrepancy we're talking here. Even one vote more than the humans counted would mean inclusion in this group.
That's hardly indicative of massive voter fraud.
So, yes, the situation absolutely needs to be looked at and an explanation made. But right now, there is no reason to believe that there was significant problem.
Obviously you missed this above... The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
Yes, I saw that. Which tells me that they had a lot of precincts that had tallies that were off. They don't tell us how far off though, so it might be one vote, a small hand full of votes, dozens, hundreds, thousands, we have no idea. But let's think about this. Who are manning the voting booths in Detroit? Probably graduates of the Detroit school system, not one of the best in the nation. Detroit is also suffering through significant budgetary issues, so probably didn't have a lot of money to spend on training their volunteer staff. So yeah, they probably didn't get the count exactly right. And yeah, that needs to change. And yeah, it's not great that this many precincts were off, by how much no one knows. But no, it's not necessarily proof of major voter fraud. Now, if they came back and said that it was hundreds of votes per precinct, then I'd be concerned about serious voter fraud. Detroit 'neglecting' its students - at $14K per pupil
Overall, Detroit Public Schools received $13,825 per student in 2012-13 which includes local, state and federal funding, the most recent year released by the Michigan Department of Education.
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We home skooled for under a grand a year for 3 kids.....daughter is on full academic scholarship to top university but had offers for music as well.
Other two appear on the same trajectory with academics and sports...
It's not the money...it's entrenched liberalism......
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Dec 14 2016, 01:03 AM
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I'm sure Jill Stein and the democrats are going to demand an investigation...........
Remember, just because illegals can get into the country, get jobs, get healthcare, get welfare, send their children to school and in some states a drivers license doesn't mean they con figure a way to vote. That's why liberals expect us to believe...
You keep perpetuating these lies. Undocumented people cannot get welfare. Do you have any evidence that these voting irregularities, which seem more like bookkeeping problems, have anything to do with undocumented people? Anything? Or just more lies from you.
Illegal immigrants get all forms of welfare "on behalf of" their anchor babies; Food , cash, medical, housing...You name it...If you lived in Arizona, you would stop pulling your "facts" out of your butt.....About 2/3 of our illegal immigrant families with ANCHOR BABIES receive one or more forms of welfare.............. Those benefits are going to legal citizens, not illegal immigrants. Try to get your facts straight.
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Dec 14 2016, 01:05 AM
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So basically because the numbers don't match exactly, which isn't horribly unusual when dealing with human beings, there must have been significant voter fraud. Regardless of the fact that the article doesn't address, at all, how large a discrepancy we're talking here. Even one vote more than the humans counted would mean inclusion in this group.
That's hardly indicative of massive voter fraud.
So, yes, the situation absolutely needs to be looked at and an explanation made. But right now, there is no reason to believe that there was significant problem.
Obviously you missed this above... The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
Yes, I saw that. Which tells me that they had a lot of precincts that had tallies that were off. They don't tell us how far off though, so it might be one vote, a small hand full of votes, dozens, hundreds, thousands, we have no idea. But let's think about this. Who are manning the voting booths in Detroit? Probably graduates of the Detroit school system, not one of the best in the nation. Detroit is also suffering through significant budgetary issues, so probably didn't have a lot of money to spend on training their volunteer staff. So yeah, they probably didn't get the count exactly right. And yeah, that needs to change. And yeah, it's not great that this many precincts were off, by how much no one knows. But no, it's not necessarily proof of major voter fraud. Now, if they came back and said that it was hundreds of votes per precinct, then I'd be concerned about serious voter fraud. Detroit 'neglecting' its students - at $14K per pupilOverall, Detroit Public Schools received $13,825 per student in 2012-13 which includes local, state and federal funding, the most recent year released by the Michigan Department of Education. LINKWe home skooled for under a grand a year for 3 kids.....daughter is on full academic scholarship to top university but had offers for music as well. Other two appear on the same trajectory with academics and sports... It's not the money...it's entrenched liberalism...... So an inter-city public school should educate students at the same cost as you home schooled.
It is this type of ignorance of the anti-public school crowd that scares the crap out of me with the Secretary of Education-select
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Dec 14 2016, 03:12 AM
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So basically because the numbers don't match exactly, which isn't horribly unusual when dealing with human beings, there must have been significant voter fraud. Regardless of the fact that the article doesn't address, at all, how large a discrepancy we're talking here. Even one vote more than the humans counted would mean inclusion in this group.
That's hardly indicative of massive voter fraud.
So, yes, the situation absolutely needs to be looked at and an explanation made. But right now, there is no reason to believe that there was significant problem.
Obviously you missed this above... The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
Yes, I saw that. Which tells me that they had a lot of precincts that had tallies that were off. They don't tell us how far off though, so it might be one vote, a small hand full of votes, dozens, hundreds, thousands, we have no idea. But let's think about this. Who are manning the voting booths in Detroit? Probably graduates of the Detroit school system, not one of the best in the nation. Detroit is also suffering through significant budgetary issues, so probably didn't have a lot of money to spend on training their volunteer staff. So yeah, they probably didn't get the count exactly right. And yeah, that needs to change. And yeah, it's not great that this many precincts were off, by how much no one knows. But no, it's not necessarily proof of major voter fraud. Now, if they came back and said that it was hundreds of votes per precinct, then I'd be concerned about serious voter fraud. Detroit 'neglecting' its students - at $14K per pupilOverall, Detroit Public Schools received $13,825 per student in 2012-13 which includes local, state and federal funding, the most recent year released by the Michigan Department of Education. LINKWe home skooled for under a grand a year for 3 kids.....daughter is on full academic scholarship to top university but had offers for music as well. Other two appear on the same trajectory with academics and sports... It's not the money...it's entrenched liberalism...... $14k per pupil? HOW MUCH PER ADMINISTRATOR??? LOL!!!! (current and retired)
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Dec 14 2016, 05:44 AM
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The Democrats have a national voter fraud machine!
SOP
If it were voter fraud on Hillary's part, she would have been the winner But the winner was..........? That's some pretty twisted logic Atta. Trump lost the precincts in question. To conclude that democrats didn't commit fraud because trump won the electoral vote is as nonsensical and stupid as saying they did commit fraud because of this discrepancy.
Here's some reality for you. From the article.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County
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Dec 14 2016, 05:47 AM
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The only beneificiaries of voter fraud are they who ended up winning
Maybe that's why Trump fought so hard to stop the recounts Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.
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Dec 14 2016, 05:52 AM
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Being an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the kid is a valid citizen of this country. Every citizen family in this country had a first citizen.
Every single one.
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Dec 14 2016, 07:26 AM
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Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.
[/quote]Translation ''I have no proof of voter fraud, so that statement came straight out of my azz''
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Dec 14 2016, 07:31 AM
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The only beneificiaries of voter fraud are they who ended up winning
Maybe that's why Trump fought so hard to stop the recounts
Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.
Translation ''I have no proof of voter fraud, so that statement came straight out of my azz'' Learn to Read Atta. I'm not saying there was or was not fraud. I'm saying it's patently ignorant to conclude that fraud was not committed simply because the fraudsters fail.
Furthermore it's pitiful that you have to "translate" my comments to suit your twisted logic.
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Dec 14 2016, 10:08 AM
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I'm sure Jill Stein and the democrats are going to demand an investigation...........
Remember, just because illegals can get into the country, get jobs, get healthcare, get welfare, send their children to school and in some states a drivers license doesn't mean they con figure a way to vote. That's why liberals expect us to believe...
You keep perpetuating these lies. Undocumented people cannot get welfare. Do you have any evidence that these voting irregularities, which seem more like bookkeeping problems, have anything to do with undocumented people? Anything? Or just more lies from you.
Illegal immigrants get all forms of welfare "on behalf of" their anchor babies; Food , cash, medical, housing...You name it...If you lived in Arizona, you would stop pulling your "facts" out of your butt.....About 2/3 of our illegal immigrant families with ANCHOR BABIES receive one or more forms of welfare.............. Bucky is woefully confused, he thinks illegals don't get welfare and he's confused when precincts in Detroit get more votes then they have voters.
I suggest Bucky do some research instead of listening to atta and dem4life.
In ONE COUNTY ALONE, "Undocumented LA County Parents On Pace To Receive $650M In Welfare Benefits"
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-parents-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/
Of course Bucky will claim this has been debunked, it's actually Bucky that's been debunked.
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Dec 14 2016, 10:17 AM
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The Democrats have a national voter fraud machine!
SOP
If it were voter fraud on Hillary's part, she would have been the winner But the winner was..........? Sometimes losers are simply losers.................
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Being an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the kid is a valid citizen of this country. Every citizen family in this country had a first citizen.
Every single one.
Having an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the adult is here illegally. Most citizen families in this country came her legally, like my grandparents. Should laws be different for non-Europeans?
Besides, many of these children were not born here and are not citizens. Returning them to their nation of origin is the humane thing to do.
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Being an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the kid is a valid citizen of this country. Every citizen family in this country had a first citizen.
Every single one.
Having an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the adult is here illegally. Most citizen families in this country came her legally, like my grandparents. Should laws be different for non-Europeans? Besides, many of these children were not born here and are not citizens. Returning them to their nation of origin is the humane thing to do. The Trump Supreme Court will change birthright citizenship to illegal alien status by birth...............
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So basically because the numbers don't match exactly, which isn't horribly unusual when dealing with human beings, there must have been significant voter fraud. Regardless of the fact that the article doesn't address, at all, how large a discrepancy we're talking here. Even one vote more than the humans counted would mean inclusion in this group.
That's hardly indicative of massive voter fraud.
So, yes, the situation absolutely needs to be looked at and an explanation made. But right now, there is no reason to believe that there was significant problem.
Obviously you missed this above... The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
Yes, I saw that. Which tells me that they had a lot of precincts that had tallies that were off. They don't tell us how far off though, so it might be one vote, a small hand full of votes, dozens, hundreds, thousands, we have no idea. But let's think about this. Who are manning the voting booths in Detroit? Probably graduates of the Detroit school system, not one of the best in the nation. Detroit is also suffering through significant budgetary issues, so probably didn't have a lot of money to spend on training their volunteer staff. So yeah, they probably didn't get the count exactly right. And yeah, that needs to change. And yeah, it's not great that this many precincts were off, by how much no one knows. But no, it's not necessarily proof of major voter fraud. Now, if they came back and said that it was hundreds of votes per precinct, then I'd be concerned about serious voter fraud. Detroit 'neglecting' its students - at $14K per pupilOverall, Detroit Public Schools received $13,825 per student in 2012-13 which includes local, state and federal funding, the most recent year released by the Michigan Department of Education. LINKWe home skooled for under a grand a year for 3 kids.....daughter is on full academic scholarship to top university but had offers for music as well. Other two appear on the same trajectory with academics and sports... It's not the money...it's entrenched liberalism...... Not proof of voter fraud. Not even evidence of voter fraud.
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Being an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the kid is a valid citizen of this country. Every citizen family in this country had a first citizen.
Every single one.
Having an "anchor baby" doesn't change the fact that the adult is here illegally. Most citizen families in this country came her legally, like my grandparents. Should laws be different for non-Europeans? Besides, many of these children were not born here and are not citizens. Returning them to their nation of origin is the humane thing to do.
The Trump Supreme Court will change birthright citizenship to illegal alien status by birth............... Supreme Court cannot change the Constitution. Birthright citizenship is Constitutionally bestowed.
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