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Trump’s War Against Intelligence; Because we don't want no stinkin intelligence in the White House no more.
Topic Started: Dec 14 2016, 03:12 PM (440 Views)
CautionaryTales
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It is not hyperbole to say the growing public disagreements between the U.S. intelligence community (IC) and the incoming Donald Trump administration are unprecedented. By ordering a “full review” of allegations of Russian into the 2016 election process, President Barack Obama is essentially asking the IC to make an analytical judgment about the validity of the election that will place Trump in the Oval Office. The president-elect and his surrogates, in turn, are dismissing any IC claims of Russian involvement, and the abilities more broadly of the entire IC itself.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-war-against-intelligence-154920628.html
Edited by CautionaryTales, Dec 14 2016, 03:12 PM.


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This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
Then maybe they should all be let go?

By the way, that errant information was cherry picked to support a man child's rush to war.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Dec 14 2016, 03:40 PM.


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CautionaryTales
Dec 14 2016, 03:39 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
Then maybe they should all be let go?

By the way, that errant information was cherry picked to support a man child's rush to war.
And that man child supported NAFTA, free trade, and Hillary Clinton.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:41 PM
CautionaryTales
Dec 14 2016, 03:39 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
Then maybe they should all be let go?

By the way, that errant information was cherry picked to support a man child's rush to war.
And that man child supported NAFTA, free trade, and Hillary Clinton.
Amazing how even he saw how flawed Putin's bottom bitch is.


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CautionaryTales
Dec 14 2016, 03:43 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:41 PM
CautionaryTales
Dec 14 2016, 03:39 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
Then maybe they should all be let go?

By the way, that errant information was cherry picked to support a man child's rush to war.
And that man child supported NAFTA, free trade, and Hillary Clinton.
Amazing how even he saw how flawed Putin's bottom bitch is.
That's because he is part of the same failed establishment.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Let's see, the Russians have been hacking US gov computers for 8 years, Obama does nothing. Clinton, knowing the Russians, among others, are hacking US gov computers, decides to set up her State Department private server next to her bathroom. Clinton is informed of multiple attempts to hack her private computer and does nothing.

Conclusion, Trump is against intelligence.... Sounds good, now sell that to the American people..
Edited by PATruth, Dec 14 2016, 03:50 PM.
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Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
It is not. The Bush administration said that, the intel community never did.
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Dec 14 2016, 08:24 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
It is not. The Bush administration said that, the intel community never did.
Fashy lies.
It's all he's got.

That and his collection of beanie babies.


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CautionaryTales
Dec 14 2016, 08:28 PM
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Dec 14 2016, 08:24 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
It is not. The Bush administration said that, the intel community never did.
Fashy lies.
It's all he's got.

That and his collection of beanie babies.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-full-version-of-the-cias-2002-intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3
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Dec 14 2016, 08:24 PM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 14 2016, 03:25 PM
This is the same CIA which said there were wmds in Iraq. They have no credibility
It is not. The Bush administration said that, the intel community never did.
Yes, they did. 2002 NIE report, WAPO just had an article on it the other day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/13/the-pre-war-intelligence-on-iraq-wrong-or-hyped-by-the-bush-white-house/?utm_term=.66751c49b722

Did all intel agencies agree? No, with 17, that was hardly ever going to be the case but there was broad agreement that the nuclear program had been reconstituted and that biological weapons capability remained.

It's unfortunate that you continue to lie brazenly on most threads you pop up on.
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Without jumping into the Tuna Hole, here's a take on the issue from Business Insider, which contains a link to the full assessment, apparently:

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In October of 2002, 9 months before the US-led invasion of Iraq, the CIA produced a document summarizing relevant intelligence on Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs. The document became the basis for the Bush Administration's public statements about the extent of Saddam's WMD program and was also distributed to members of Congress.


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The document determines that Saddam Hussein had an active chemical weapons program — although crucially, the CIA couldn't prove that his regime had actually resumed producing chemical and biological agents and cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's program.


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The intelligence estimate also heavily qualified its evidence of any link between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda, noting that the sources were not entirely reliable.

The full document allows for a comparison of the CIA's actual findings with both the Bush administration's pre-war claims, and later post-war assessments of Saddam's actual WMD capabilities.

In December, the RAND Corporation issued a report that stated the CIA assessment "contained several qualifiers that were dropped ... As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."


http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-full-version-of-the-cias-2002-intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3
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Which says that the intel leaned in the general direction that Bush ended up acting on. I don't see Bush hiding behind the intel, that's why it's so sad to watch people trying to hide the intel behind Bush. Intellectually dishonest not to mention gutless, hallmarks of people of bucky's ilk.
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Dec 14 2016, 03:48 PM
Let's see, the Russians have been hacking US gov computers for 8 years, Obama does nothing. Clinton, knowing the Russians, among others, are hacking US gov computers, decides to set up her State Department private server next to her bathroom. Clinton is informed of multiple attempts to hack her private computer and does nothing.

Conclusion, Trump is against intelligence.... Sounds good, now sell that to the American people..
Not many trust the CIA anyway. The agency has been known in the past to install their puppets in various countries for their own gain. What this may indicate is that Ma Barker was the CIA's puppet of choice and that the Donald will have none of it. He appears to be running counter to the CIA agenda, whatever that may be. He has increased his briefings to 3 per week of late and may well go full time after he is sworn into office. Much to do about nothing at this point in other words.
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jake58
Dec 15 2016, 10:05 AM
Which says that the intel leaned in the general direction that Bush ended up acting on. I don't see Bush hiding behind the intel, that's why it's so sad to watch people trying to hide the intel behind Bush. Intellectually dishonest not to mention gutless, hallmarks of people of bucky's ilk.
Keep in mind that the same people who endlessly castigate Bush for acting on the Iraq intel also castigate him for not acting on a vague intel briefing regarding Bin Laden wanting to strike something somewhere in the US one month before 9/11...
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Dec 15 2016, 11:50 AM
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Dec 15 2016, 10:05 AM
Which says that the intel leaned in the general direction that Bush ended up acting on. I don't see Bush hiding behind the intel, that's why it's so sad to watch people trying to hide the intel behind Bush. Intellectually dishonest not to mention gutless, hallmarks of people of bucky's ilk.
Keep in mind that the same people who endlessly castigate Bush for acting on the Iraq intel also castigate him for not acting on a vague intel briefing regarding Bin Laden wanting to strike something somewhere in the US one month before 9/11...
Consistency is not the hallmark of our friends on the left.
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jake58
Dec 15 2016, 12:17 PM
black sheep
Dec 15 2016, 11:50 AM
jake58
Dec 15 2016, 10:05 AM
Which says that the intel leaned in the general direction that Bush ended up acting on. I don't see Bush hiding behind the intel, that's why it's so sad to watch people trying to hide the intel behind Bush. Intellectually dishonest not to mention gutless, hallmarks of people of bucky's ilk.
Keep in mind that the same people who endlessly castigate Bush for acting on the Iraq intel also castigate him for not acting on a vague intel briefing regarding Bin Laden wanting to strike something somewhere in the US one month before 9/11...
Consistency is not the hallmark of our friends on the left.
You sure about that?.....They are consistently wrong..... :dunno:
Edited by clone, Dec 15 2016, 01:12 PM.
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Why is this fake news allowed on the news board?
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estonianman
Dec 16 2016, 06:03 PM
Why is this fake news allowed on the news board?
Yahoo news was one of the worst anti trump outlets out there and now it comes out that they have had two major hackings....coincidence???

BTW Amazon just got a $600 million dollar contract with the CIA and WaPo...owned by Amazon's CEO has been taking the lead spreading this Russia nonsense.....coincidence....????

https://www.thenation.com/article/amazon-washington-post-and-600-million-cia-contract/
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Hacking is a smart bomb that you use on stupid people.......... :dunno:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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