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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again. Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor. but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
Please, God, let CT be right about something for once....please.....
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“It’s time to make education great again in this country,” she said at a Trump rally in Grand Rapids, Mich., on Friday. “This means letting states set their own high standards and finally putting an end to the federalized Common Core.”
States that were dumb enough to elect Trump should not be in charge of childhood education. They have forfeited their right to make decisions about anyone but themselves.
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think?
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think? Actually coverpoint's post above yours is precisely why there needs to be competition in education....liberal tolerance <sarc> needs a counter balance just to stave off their tyrannical impulses...
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think? Some people do not believe that a public education system has a value. They only see value when it jingles their pocket.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think?
Some people do not believe that a public education system has a value. They only see value when it jingles their pocket. Teacher's unions agree....
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think? I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before and it just leads to tears. I live in the Socialist State of NJ which thanks to an early 90s court decision punishes most of the state's children for the benefit of 30 'distressed' school districts - meaning townships which can't afford to educate their kids - the rest of the state's communities get to chip in to educate these kids at the level of the more affluent districts, such that we pay about $20k per student to educate kids in Camden, Newark, Jersey City, Vineland, Gloucester City, etc. Progressives hailed this decision and promised that educational attainment would dramatically increase in these areas. Well, it hasn't - often in these communities graduation rates hover around 50% even with the locals pushing these kids out the door by any means necessary(there are regressive secondary tests if you've not been able to achieve a 'D' average). And of course we've reached this level of achievement by shortchanging the other kids in our state - NJ's property taxes which pay for this abysmal performance are the highest in the country, so that middle and working class kids are forced to fund sports and extracurricular activities often out of their own pockets.
This would lead most rational people to the conclusion that money isn't necessarily the overriding factor in educational achievement, a conclusion solidified when one looks at the world stage where places like Japan and Korea which spend significantly less per pupil while achieving much greater results.
http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/money-cant-buy-genius
It's funny that when discussing health outcomes, you can't stop talking about how much it costs for reduced outcomes yet when discussing education, this calculus never seems to enter your vapid mind. What's up with that?
Regarding the Feds, they like to feel important so they come up with a whole set of rules and regs(Common Core, NCLB, etc) that need to be followed for states to get their block grants - unfortunately, this is just more bureaucratic bs piled on to make the whole effort more complicated, unwieldy and inefficient. Talk to a teacher some time if ever you leave the ivory tower.
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor. Ok, Some schools can offer common core, some schools will chose not to.
Why do you have a problem with that?
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one
To say "public education in this country is a disaster" needs some specificity because public education in this country isn't national. It is state-by-state with considerable variation within each state according to local districts. To think about public education in this country is to think in terms of an entity which doesn't exist. I am one of those who would prefer to see a true national education system along the lines of what is done in France or Japan as a way of helping create real equality of opportunity for all our kids. Opponents of this approach seem concerned about some sort of Darwin vs Jesus conflict. What do you think?
I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before and it just leads to tears. I live in the Socialist State of NJ which thanks to an early 90s court decision punishes most of the state's children for the benefit of 30 'distressed' school districts - meaning townships which can't afford to educate their kids - the rest of the state's communities get to chip in to educate these kids at the level of the more affluent districts, such that we pay about $20k per student to educate kids in Camden, Newark, Jersey City, Vineland, Gloucester City, etc. Progressives hailed this decision and promised that educational attainment would dramatically increase in these areas. Well, it hasn't - often in these communities graduation rates hover around 50% even with the locals pushing these kids out the door by any means necessary(there are regressive secondary tests if you've not been able to achieve a 'D' average). And of course we've reached this level of achievement by shortchanging the other kids in our state - NJ's property taxes which pay for this abysmal performance are the highest in the country, so that middle and working class kids are forced to fund sports and extracurricular activities often out of their own pockets. This would lead most rational people to the conclusion that money isn't necessarily the overriding factor in educational achievement, a conclusion solidified when one looks at the world stage where places like Japan and Korea which spend significantly less per pupil while achieving much greater results. http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/money-cant-buy-geniusIt's funny that when discussing health outcomes, you can't stop talking about how much it costs for reduced outcomes yet when discussing education, this calculus never seems to enter your vapid mind. What's up with that? Regarding the Feds, they like to feel important so they come up with a whole set of rules and regs(Common Core, NCLB, etc) that need to be followed for states to get their block grants - unfortunately, this is just more bureaucratic bs piled on to make the whole effort more complicated, unwieldy and inefficient. Talk to a teacher some time if ever you leave the ivory tower. Why do you choose to live in such a terrible place?
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!! I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it.
It's a plan for and by dumb asses.
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It's ironic that the same party who complain about perceived demise of American culture, and lack of assimilation by immigrants, also attack the institutions that have historically contributed to integration and common strength. Public education is one of America's cornerstones.
Math, science, and English should be the same in Alabama and California. Disparate local curricula invite agenda-driven meddling, and weaken our global competitiveness.
Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate. What if the local community A you are in is crap, how would you compete for the same job with person from community B with higher standards? You can't. And you'll complain about the rest of the nation taking away your jobs because your local community produces aren't as qualified as the rest.
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. No, just parts of it. You'll understand in time. Or not.
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It's ironic that the same party who complain about perceived demise of American culture, and lack of assimilation by immigrants, also attack the institutions that have historically contributed to integration and common strength. Public education is one of America's cornerstones.
Math, science, and English should be the same in Alabama and California. Disparate local curricula invite agenda-driven meddling, and weaken our global competitiveness.
Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate. Wrong! The Alabama legislators once declared that pi should be rounded down to 3. Now, everything in Alabama is a little off.
pi should be exactly 3?
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- Dec 16 2016, 07:37 PM
- CautionaryTales
- Dec 16 2016, 02:41 PM
I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. No, just parts of it. You'll understand in time. Or not.
You understanding is not a requirement. It's a plan for and by d..a's That's all I need to understand.
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Dec 16 2016, 08:15 PM
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- CautionaryTales
- Dec 16 2016, 07:40 PM
- Robertr2000
- Dec 16 2016, 07:37 PM
- CautionaryTales
- Dec 16 2016, 02:41 PM
I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. It's a plan for and by dumb asses. Why do you choose to live in such a terrible place?
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