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Trump’s education secretary pick plans to get rid of Common Core standards
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The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula. As the Republican Party achieves the conservative goal of withdrawing the federal government from the public schools, CCS, never important in any way, will disappear without a trace. More important is how public education will change under radical conservative policies.
If trends and recent struggles are any indication, the spending and performance gap between high-achieving state systems and those states whose schools rank at the bottom in student achievement will grow swiftly wider. The crisis in Kansas will spread to more and more red states and, if unchecked, will sharply increase the cultural divide between red and blue. America will revert to the very widespread model of an elite bicoastal economy separated from a primitive interior. It wasn't until the middle of the last century that we moved away from that model, return to it won't be difficult at all. "The Common Core Standards is just a talking shop in which states are free to exchange suggestions about public school curricula."So it's no big deal if Common Core gets destroy then right? I mean if that's all it is, then we don't really need it. Trump is going to take down the Department of Education. And hand back control to the States and counties.
Making America Great again.
Common Core represents a consensus-building approach to raising educational outcomes to meet the standards of No Child Left Behind. Junking it at the federal level will not kill it among the states who find it a positive factor.
but it hasn't been a positive factor - public education in this country is a disaster, for a variety of reasons, interference from the feds being only one It hasn't been given time to be a factor.
Public education in this country is not a disaster. Urban education is for a variety of reasons. Suburban schools where the majority of students go are excellent for the most part.
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money.
Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/ It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption.
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption. is it a federal program or not? Thanks for playing.
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption. So then why all the crying about the new Secretary of Education ending Common Core?
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption. So then why all the crying about the new Secretary of Education ending Common Core?
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption.
is it a federal program or not? Thanks for playing. It is not a federal program. It was originated in the states and adopted by the states
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption. So then why all the crying about the new Secretary of Education ending Common Core? Because while it is not a federal program, the feds can kill it off at the state level by stomping on it from above. That is what the Right is proposing in their takeover. There are quite a few places where the incoming administration is threatening to use federal power to overrule state control. Health insurance is another area.
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption.
is it a federal program or not? Thanks for playing.
It is not a federal program. It was originated in the states and adopted by the states It is, or was, tied to federal monies given to the states. Obama's Dept of Education's initiative Race to the Top which determined where billions of dollars of federal education funding was going to go was graded on the basis of whether states achieved Common Core goals. You can pretend that Common Core is not a federal mandate but when federal dollars are tied to Common Core goals, most rational people are going to be able to connect the dots.
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption.
is it a federal program or not? Thanks for playing.
It is not a federal program. It was originated in the states and adopted by the states
It is, or was, tied to federal monies given to the states. Obama's Dept of Education's initiative Race to the Top which determined where billions of dollars of federal education funding was going to go was graded on the basis of whether states achieved Common Core goals. You can pretend that Common Core is not a federal mandate but when federal dollars are tied to Common Core goals, most rational people are going to be able to connect the dots. The feds included in it "Race to the Top" after it was widely adopted by the states and other states had expressed interest in doing so but needed help to get it implemented. But that does not make it a "federal program" which is the big lie of the Right. As a program it was created by states and corporations who were frustrated with the lack of federal standards and developed without the feds. The feds were really late to the Common Core movement.
Common Core's downfall is that the feds finally woke up when Obama was President which immediately condemned it in the minds of the Right who have no idea (or chose to ignore) the history of the program.
It also embarrasses low performing states who tend to be red so those Righties don't want a national program that exposes their failed policies.
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WIPE IT AND THE DEPT OF ED CLEAN....like with a cloth or something.....
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is it a federal program or not? Thanks for playing.
It is not a federal program. It was originated in the states and adopted by the states
It is, or was, tied to federal monies given to the states. Obama's Dept of Education's initiative Race to the Top which determined where billions of dollars of federal education funding was going to go was graded on the basis of whether states achieved Common Core goals. You can pretend that Common Core is not a federal mandate but when federal dollars are tied to Common Core goals, most rational people are going to be able to connect the dots.
The feds included in it "Race to the Top" after it was widely adopted by the states and other states had expressed interest in doing so but needed help to get it implemented. But that does not make it a "federal program" which is the big lie of the Right. As a program it was created by states and corporations who were frustrated with the lack of federal standards and developed without the feds. The feds were really late to the Common Core movement. Common Core's downfall is that the feds finally woke up when Obama was President which immediately condemned it in the minds of the Right who have no idea (or chose to ignore) the history of the program. It also embarrasses low performing states who tend to be red so those Righties don't want a national program that exposes their failed policies. 'needed help to get it implemented'???? You mean those states that didn't want it? So, you're saying that the feds incentivized states to adopt Common Core goals by tying needed education dollars to only those states which adopted Common Core goals... and this doesn't mean that the Feds are tied to Common Core? Maybe in bucky world...
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. It's a plan for and by dumb asses.
Why do you choose to live in such a terrible place? I like to see guys like you having their guts wrenched over imagined sleights. 'Murka..it's all about the gut wrenching these days.
Poor Jake...giving me free space in the barren wasteland of your head... such a shame for you to be so obsessed.
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I'm pretty sure her mission is to completely disable the agency. Getting rid of Common core isn't her mission.
YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. It's a plan for and by dumb asses.
Why do you choose to live in such a terrible place?
I like to see guys like you having their guts wrenched over imagined sleights. 'Murka..it's all about the gut wrenching these days. Poor Jake...giving me free space in the barren wasteland of your head... such a shame for you to be so obsessed. You haven't embraced your impotence yet - still work to be done there friend.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep YES!!! Shout it out loud!!!
I'm a realist. The plan is to crash the government. All parts of it. It's a plan for and by dumb asses.
Why do you choose to live in such a terrible place?
I like to see guys like you having their guts wrenched over imagined sleights. 'Murka..it's all about the gut wrenching these days. Poor Jake...giving me free space in the barren wasteland of your head... such a shame for you to be so obsessed.
You haven't embraced your impotence yet - still work to be done there friend. Sssshhh...he's busy getting his next post from the Motherland...
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It's ironic that the same party who complain about perceived demise of American culture, and lack of assimilation by immigrants, also attack the institutions that have historically contributed to integration and common strength. Public education is one of America's cornerstones.
Math, science, and English should be the same in Alabama and California. Disparate local curricula invite agenda-driven meddling, and weaken our global competitiveness.
Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
What if the local community A you are in is crap, how would you compete for the same job with person from community B with higher standards? You can't. And you'll complain about the rest of the nation taking away your jobs because your local community produces aren't as qualified as the rest. If that's the prerogative of the community, that is their prerogative.
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Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate. You seem an odd person to argue that case. Isn't it central to your philosophy that America and "western civilization" have unique, essential qualities, and maintaining the purity of those is crucial? Wouldn't diverse, local schools acting independently weaken our homogeneity and national identity? Genuinely curious. I'd have expected you to support a unified, Euro / Anglo-centrc national curriculum, rather than educational balkanization.
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Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
You seem an odd person to argue that case. Isn't it central to your philosophy that America and "western civilization" have unique, essential qualities, and maintaining the purity of those is crucial? Wouldn't diverse, local schools acting independently weaken our homogeneity and national identity? Genuinely curious. I'd have expected you to support a unified, Euro / Anglo-centrc national curriculum, rather than educational balkanization. That only works if he and his posse are in control of the whole shebang...which will never happen...
Common core is right out of the Communist Goals of 1963 as entered into the Congressional Record.....
#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
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It's ironic that the same party who complain about perceived demise of American culture, and lack of assimilation by immigrants, also attack the institutions that have historically contributed to integration and common strength. Public education is one of America's cornerstones.
Math, science, and English should be the same in Alabama and California. Disparate local curricula invite agenda-driven meddling, and weaken our global competitiveness.
Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
What if the local community A you are in is crap, how would you compete for the same job with person from community B with higher standards? You can't. And you'll complain about the rest of the nation taking away your jobs because your local community produces aren't as qualified as the rest.
If that's the prerogative of the community, that is their prerogative. There has to be checks and balances to make sure one community isn't inferior in education aspects, no? Otherwise you would be supporting localized tyranny.
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It's ironic that the same party who complain about perceived demise of American culture, and lack of assimilation by immigrants, also attack the institutions that have historically contributed to integration and common strength. Public education is one of America's cornerstones.
Math, science, and English should be the same in Alabama and California. Disparate local curricula invite agenda-driven meddling, and weaken our global competitiveness.
Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
What if the local community A you are in is crap, how would you compete for the same job with person from community B with higher standards? You can't. And you'll complain about the rest of the nation taking away your jobs because your local community produces aren't as qualified as the rest.
If that's the prerogative of the community, that is their prerogative.
There has to be checks and balances to make sure one community isn't inferior in education aspects, no? Otherwise you would be supporting localized tyranny. No. some community will choose to invest more in their schools than others. That's called freedom
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