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Trump’s education secretary pick plans to get rid of Common Core standards
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Topic Started: Dec 15 2016, 12:19 PM (1,246 Views)
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BuckFan
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Dec 17 2016, 09:53 PM
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Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
You seem an odd person to argue that case. Isn't it central to your philosophy that America and "western civilization" have unique, essential qualities, and maintaining the purity of those is crucial? Wouldn't diverse, local schools acting independently weaken our homogeneity and national identity? Genuinely curious. I'd have expected you to support a unified, Euro / Anglo-centrc national curriculum, rather than educational balkanization.
That only works if he and his posse are in control of the whole shebang...which will never happen... Common core is right out of the Communist Goals of 1963 as entered into the Congressional Record..... #17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. LINK How does this have anything to do with Common Core. Please explain the link and be specific because what you quoted has nothing to do with Common Core as I understand it. You posted a bunch of hogwash.
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Dec 17 2016, 10:27 PM
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Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
You seem an odd person to argue that case. Isn't it central to your philosophy that America and "western civilization" have unique, essential qualities, and maintaining the purity of those is crucial? Wouldn't diverse, local schools acting independently weaken our homogeneity and national identity? Genuinely curious. I'd have expected you to support a unified, Euro / Anglo-centrc national curriculum, rather than educational balkanization. That's not going to happen. Multiculturalism and gender equality are the reigning educational standards. Wyoming and South Carolina should be unique, and are.
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Dec 17 2016, 10:34 PM
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What if the local community A you are in is crap, how would you compete for the same job with person from community B with higher standards? You can't. And you'll complain about the rest of the nation taking away your jobs because your local community produces aren't as qualified as the rest.
If that's the prerogative of the community, that is their prerogative.
There has to be checks and balances to make sure one community isn't inferior in education aspects, no? Otherwise you would be supporting localized tyranny.
No. some community will choose to invest more in their schools than others. That's called freedom Freedom is when one tyrant gets to become head of a community and all others would have to follow all the dumb decisions what he makes without anything to keep his standards in check?
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Dec 17 2016, 10:35 PM
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If that's the prerogative of the community, that is their prerogative.
There has to be checks and balances to make sure one community isn't inferior in education aspects, no? Otherwise you would be supporting localized tyranny.
No. some community will choose to invest more in their schools than others. That's called freedom
Freedom is when one tyrant gets to become head of a community and all others would have to follow all the dumb decisions what he makes without anything to keep his standards in check? If that's how the local community votes, sure. Some people will vote with their feet.
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Dec 18 2016, 09:52 AM
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Much as conservatives hate the "common" part of of Common Core standards, the program does also have "standards," an element that provides some data about how well the billions of dollars in federal money spent on public schools is doing the job.
Those conservatives who favor simply abolishing the federal department and ending all federal involvement in the public schools and universities face no contradiction in ending CCS but it isn't at all clear that a majority of voters or their representatives in Congress are willing to go that far. Red states, which are among the lowest preforming school systems as well as the most vocal advocates of chucking CCS seem to want the feds to hand over the dough and don't ask questions. Typically, these are the states which get more than they pay from Uncle Sam.
The GOP has generally taken a middle-of-the-road approach, handing out the federal dollars while damning federal taxes. Under a severely conservative administration, states like NH may find themselves looking at places like KY, WVA etc. as hypocritical moochers. Trump Chumps down there may start singing a different tune if the checks stop flowing.
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Robert Stout
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Dec 18 2016, 06:11 PM
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I have no problem with cutting off all federal funding to school districts that have low performance...Perhaps these schools could be realistically converted to day care centers for unruly youth.............
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Dec 18 2016, 07:12 PM
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Public education in the US is ranked somewhere between 10 amd 20 in the world, which is awful considering the amount of money we invest in it. Common Core like NCLB and the programs before it are merely a federal bureaucratic overlay which does nothing to advance the cause of public education and merely provides the feds with strings to which attach the money/block grants which eventually find their way to the states. Don't play by the Feds rules, don't get the money. Where I live, suburban and exurban public school systems have seen a drop in performance as more money is siphoned off to pay for the even lousier performance in urban districts https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/category/education/
It is clear you do not know where Common Core came from or what it is. The feds had nothing to do with the creation of Common Core or its widespread adoption. So then why all the crying about the new Secretary of Education ending Common Core?
Because while it is not a federal program, the feds can kill it off at the state level by stomping on it from above. That is what the Right is proposing in their takeover. There are quite a few places where the incoming administration is threatening to use federal power to overrule state control. Health insurance is another area. No, it just means the FED's will stop funding it.
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Dec 18 2016, 07:13 PM
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Public education was historically controlled by people in their own community. The standards of public education should be whatever the local community deems appropriate.
You seem an odd person to argue that case. Isn't it central to your philosophy that America and "western civilization" have unique, essential qualities, and maintaining the purity of those is crucial? Wouldn't diverse, local schools acting independently weaken our homogeneity and national identity? Genuinely curious. I'd have expected you to support a unified, Euro / Anglo-centrc national curriculum, rather than educational balkanization.
That only works if he and his posse are in control of the whole shebang...which will never happen... Common core is right out of the Communist Goals of 1963 as entered into the Congressional Record..... #17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. LINK #17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
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