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Maine propane dealer to Trump voters: ‘I will no longer be delivering your gas’
Topic Started: Dec 16 2016, 05:51 PM (1,700 Views)
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Dec 19 2016, 12:42 PM
My point is that he is within his rights to run his business this way. I would not want to be an investor in his business in a county that voted nearly 60% for Trump but assuming he is a sole proprietor, I have no issues with him making this decision.

I think it is stupid but I don't have a problem with people freely making stupid decisions. It is not our job to babysit his business and prevent him from doing stupid things that will cost him money.
Clinton received 2.9 million more votes than Trump did.
How ya figure 60% of the people support him?
Read closely CT. 58% of the people in the county where this business is located voted for Trump. Hence my comment.


No, Clinton won the popular vote by a couple percent. Trump won 60% of the states. Hence, he will be the President. We are a Republic, not a direct democracy where the mob rules.
Ok..missed that, my bad... I thought maybe you were engaging in some more of the revisionist landslide bs that I have been reading.
No, I know the numbers. I read in interesting article by one of the polling people and they said they had Clinton with a 2-3% lead in popular vote going into the election and they considered that to be a statistical deficit in the actual election because there are easily that many people extra who are guaranteed to vote democrat between New York and California. In other words, yes Clinton won by 2.8 million votes but all of those votes were in two states that always vote democrat. In other words, those 2.8 million votes amount to nothing more than padding the victory for those states.

The funny thing is I remember watching the reports coming in on the 2000 election. Around 11pm it looked like Gore had won Florida and the electoral college but Bush had won the popular vote. I was watching CNN and their talking heads were all gushing about what geniuses the Founding Fathers were for giving us the EC and how great it was that our system was not one of mob rule. I went to bed thinking the Ozone Man had won.

Then the final numbers on Florida and some other states came in overnight and it flipped. GWB had the EC and Gore had the popular vote. The exact same talking heads who were praising the EC and the founding fathers were now talking about how GWB would be seen as an illegitimate President since he had not won the plurality of the votes and they were claiming that the EC was a flawed antiquated system.

I think that was the last time I ever watched CNN without knowing I had to fact check every single word that left the mouths of their people.
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My point is that he is within his rights to run his business this way. I would not want to be an investor in his business in a county that voted nearly 60% for Trump but assuming he is a sole proprietor, I have no issues with him making this decision.

I think it is stupid but I don't have a problem with people freely making stupid decisions. It is not our job to babysit his business and prevent him from doing stupid things that will cost him money.
Which is pretty much what most of us said...I think as a business owner you should be able to discriminate against anyone you please...

And as such whatever repercussions of that you own as well....

The ugly part here is that our liberal friends initial reaction to this seemed to be gleeful anticipation of Trump supports suffering through a Maine winter with no access to heat from propane. This was of course followed up by their obvious disappointment when they actually read the article and saw the business owner's rather reasonable position.

Kind of sad really. But hey, they are the tolerant ones...
Pardon?

Send it in to the Obama admin and maybe he will issue the pardon on the way out....worth a shot I guess...

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I'm sure all those who think businesses should be able to turn away customers b/c of religious concerns will defend his actions...
Really? What's his religion?

... and I thought your arguments couldn't get any dumber...


It doesn't matter what his religion is. If the guy were to claim he refuses to sell propane to certain people because of his religious beliefs would you support him or not? Or does it depend on what his religion is?

Don't lie about how you reacted to his post.. "and I thought" no you didn't. You read who posted it and decided as usual to do your typical head up your own ass routine because the person posting is someone you dont agree with. Grow up.
You would rather ignore the point in favor of playing dumb and insulting people tho, right?

You don't have to lie to kick it bro , and you dont have to treat everybody like they are as dumb as you are.
:rotflmao: Good one! I haven't seen a fact free rejoinder like that since lensy used to slither around here on all fours.

Is the guy refusing to sell propane because of anyone's religious beliefs? No? Well, then d4l has no point, it was just his single digit IQ trying to link the GOP with this moron's business practice. No one, and this was disappointing to the prog in question and you by extension, suggested this individual should be required to sell to anyone(we leave that to your side of the aisle who think they need to fetter capitalism for 'its own good'). I believe everyone on the right(side of the issue) considers the guy an idiot for sabotaging his business(the county in which he resides went for Trump 57-35%) but that he is free to do so.

Don't be shy, the next time you have something stupid to add, feel free to direct it to me, I can use the entertainment.
What side of the aisle is that? I responded to you intentionally missing or ignoring the point. Dont let that get you to pull your head out of your ass tho. It suits you to leave it there.

Go away troll. I responded to your post so obviously it was directed at you. Keep proving how big of a moron you are by playing dumb and insulting people.



Edited by StillCrazy1, Dec 19 2016, 05:09 PM.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Republicans as the party in power are getting for the first time a taste of the treatment they gave Democrats during the Obama years. Ceaseless resistance at every turn may be the tactic to win back some of the Reagan Democrats who deserted the party in search of more macho leadership.

A number of Trump's appointees needing congressional confirmation may face embarrassing hearings and filibustered votes. Whatever one thinks of Trumps plans for the economy, he surely isn't going to leap to 4% GDP growth in his first year. This will be an opportunity for the Democrats to grasp the fake news technique and denounce him as weak and a failure.

The DNC has been held back because folks like Al Gore and even Bernie Sanders have had the tendency to bring library books to a knife fight. Backed by an angry and disgusted younger base, the Democratic leadership may be willing to revert to its more pugnacious roots.

The days of bashing Obama and the Establishment are over. Trump and his clique now are the establishment. Can they deliver before their grumpy and suspicious base becomes convinced they have once again been betrayed by RINOs?
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I'm sure all those who think businesses should be able to turn away customers b/c of religious concerns will defend his actions...
Really? What's his religion?

... and I thought your arguments couldn't get any dumber...


It doesn't matter what his religion is. If the guy were to claim he refuses to sell propane to certain people because of his religious beliefs would you support him or not? Or does it depend on what his religion is?

Don't lie about how you reacted to his post.. "and I thought" no you didn't. You read who posted it and decided as usual to do your typical head up your own ass routine because the person posting is someone you dont agree with. Grow up.
You would rather ignore the point in favor of playing dumb and insulting people tho, right?

You don't have to lie to kick it bro , and you dont have to treat everybody like they are as dumb as you are.
:rotflmao: Good one! I haven't seen a fact free rejoinder like that since lensy used to slither around here on all fours.

Is the guy refusing to sell propane because of anyone's religious beliefs? No? Well, then d4l has no point, it was just his single digit IQ trying to link the GOP with this moron's business practice. No one, and this was disappointing to the prog in question and you by extension, suggested this individual should be required to sell to anyone(we leave that to your side of the aisle who think they need to fetter capitalism for 'its own good'). I believe everyone on the right(side of the issue) considers the guy an idiot for sabotaging his business(the county in which he resides went for Trump 57-35%) but that he is free to do so.

Don't be shy, the next time you have something stupid to add, feel free to direct it to me, I can use the entertainment.
What side of the aisle is that? I responded to you intentionally missing or ignoring the point. Dont let that get you to pull your head out of your ass tho. It suits you to leave it there.

Go away troll. I responded to your post so obviously it was directed at you. Keep proving how big of a moron you are by playing dumb and insulting people.



There was no point since no one's religion entered into this calculus, now go away before the mods come and ban you again.
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Dec 19 2016, 12:31 PM
From the article.

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“It’s just a statement,” Turner said. “If you voted for Trump, don’t tell me and I wouldn’t cut anyone off that was freezing.”


So, basically he does not want any people gloating about Trump winning to him. In fact, if you don't tell him he won't care. In addition he is not going to cut someone off. He just asked that they find another provider.

Seems like a reasonable position if you wish to mix business and politics. It may be an untenable position in the long run economically but I don't really have a problem with it so long as he does not cut off people in danger of being harmed and he has said that he would not do that.

So, nothing to see here really.
That's pretty much the way I see it.

He's pushing the limit on this one, but not over the line.
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Clearly you and others care or you wouldn't have taken the time to respond. Duh :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
ah yes, the white flag of emoticons... puts you on a level with La Pasionara

we're commenting because the guy's an idiot, we don't care who he serves... did I type that slow enough for ya?
Those of you calling him an idiot are the first to defend a bakery that refuses to serve gays. Are they idiots as well...
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Clearly you and others care or you wouldn't have taken the time to respond. Duh :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
ah yes, the white flag of emoticons... puts you on a level with La Pasionara

we're commenting because the guy's an idiot, we don't care who he serves... did I type that slow enough for ya?
Those of you calling him an idiot are the first to defend a bakery that refuses to serve gays. Are they idiots as well...
and the point again zooms past you... and the other idiot...so who are you to tell a business who to serve? That's the point here - you want to tell a bakery who they are required to serve, we are simply laughing at a guy who's willfully cutting off 60% of his market, no one cares whether he does it or not, there are other propane suppliers who will gladly take his business just as I'm sure there are other bakers who will bake a cake for the couple in question. Why is this so difficult for you? Are you unable to see your own hypocrisy? Acceptance Is the first step.
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Clearly you and others care or you wouldn't have taken the time to respond. Duh :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
ah yes, the white flag of emoticons... puts you on a level with La Pasionara

we're commenting because the guy's an idiot, we don't care who he serves... did I type that slow enough for ya?
Those of you calling him an idiot are the first to defend a bakery that refuses to serve gays. Are they idiots as well...
and the point again zooms past you... and the other idiot...so who are you to tell a business who to serve? That's the point here - you want to tell a bakery who they are required to serve, we are simply laughing at a guy who's willfully cutting off 60% of his market, no one cares whether he does it or not, there are other propane suppliers who will gladly take his business just as I'm sure there are other bakers who will bake a cake for the couple in question. Why is this so difficult for you? Are you unable to see your own hypocrisy? Acceptance Is the first step.
Looks like cons don't like being the ones discriminated against...
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Not sure where you get that but it seems you're pretty much making it up as you go along anyway...
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Not at all...
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