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Artificial Intelligence May Cost US Millions Of Jobs, Increase Inequality, If Social Safety Nets Aren’t Strengthened, White House Report Warns; Maybe time to get that college degree after all, you free marketers
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http://www.ibtimes.com/artificial-intelligence-may-cost-us-millions-jobs-increase-inequality-if-social-2463578

Artificial intelligence-driven automation will be a crucial driver of economic growth in the U.S., but if not handled properly, it can also lead to a massive disruption in the current livelihoods of millions of Americans and could — at least in the short term — even increase societal inequality. This is the crux of a new report on the economic impact of AI released Tuesday by the White House.
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I look forward to replacing politicians with laptops........... :)
More nanny state welfare is the left wing "go to solution"
While more "leave them to the not so tender mercies of the free market" is the right wing "go to solution".

What do you suggest as an alternative to both?
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
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Dec 22 2016, 02:52 AM
I look forward to replacing politicians with laptops........... :)
More nanny state welfare is the left wing "go to solution"
Nanny state welfare is an awkward transitional phase. The first step is to recognize that market economics aren't going to help because the percent of GDP created by human workers is declining inevitably and at an accelerating rate.

The first warning sign, which we are already seeing, is weakness in the consumer economy because wage stagnation means that more and more consumers don't have enough money to consume like they used to. Those fabulous 1950s and 1960s came about because unions raised wages and the increased disposable income zoomed the consumer economy, by far the largest sector.

Nobody knows where this unprecedented trend in declining labor demand will take us. It is already driving a pattern of wealth distribution unlike anything seen in the last 100 years. Trump's quick fix of a protective tariff is dismissed by professional economists across the political spectrum as a temporary tactic at best. Have you an alternative plan?
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
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I look forward to replacing politicians with laptops........... :)
More nanny state welfare is the left wing "go to solution"
Nanny state welfare is an awkward transitional phase. The first step is to recognize that market economics aren't going to help because the percent of GDP created by human workers is declining inevitably and at an accelerating rate.

The first warning sign, which we are already seeing, is weakness in the consumer economy because wage stagnation means that more and more consumers don't have enough money to consume like they used to. Those fabulous 1950s and 1960s came about because unions raised wages and the increased disposable income zoomed the consumer economy, by far the largest sector.

Nobody knows where this unprecedented trend in declining labor demand will take us. It is already driving a pattern of wealth distribution unlike anything seen in the last 100 years. Trump's quick fix of a protective tariff is dismissed by professional economists across the political spectrum as a temporary tactic at best. Have you an alternative plan?
The difference between those fabulous 1950s and 1950s, and now it that the ability of unions to raise wages on jobs that no longer exist, is of no help to the consumer economy.

In the past, improvements in productivity had a net positive affect on the job market. Maybe the thrashing machine put some farm workers out of work, but it created jobs building thrashing machines, and lowered the cost of flour. We have the same thing going on now, but the ratios are different. A machine that puts thousands out of work today, might create hundreds of jobs.

Artificial intelligence has the potential to do all of those things to the job market, that any other productivity improvements did in the past, but the types of many of those jobs in danger, are more sophisticated. In the last century, farm workers lost jobs, in this century, professionals like doctors, lawyers, and teachers will lose jobs, right along with people that assemble parts on an assemble line.

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I look forward to replacing politicians with laptops........... :)
More nanny state welfare is the left wing "go to solution"
Nanny state welfare is an awkward transitional phase. The first step is to recognize that market economics aren't going to help because the percent of GDP created by human workers is declining inevitably and at an accelerating rate.

The first warning sign, which we are already seeing, is weakness in the consumer economy because wage stagnation means that more and more consumers don't have enough money to consume like they used to. Those fabulous 1950s and 1960s came about because unions raised wages and the increased disposable income zoomed the consumer economy, by far the largest sector.

Nobody knows where this unprecedented trend in declining labor demand will take us. It is already driving a pattern of wealth distribution unlike anything seen in the last 100 years. Trump's quick fix of a protective tariff is dismissed by professional economists across the political spectrum as a temporary tactic at best. Have you an alternative plan?
The difference between those fabulous 1950s and 1950s, and now it that the ability of unions to raise wages on jobs that no longer exist, is of no help to the consumer economy.

In the past, improvements in productivity had a net positive affect on the job market. Maybe the thrashing machine put some farm workers out of work, but it created jobs building thrashing machines, and lowered the cost of flour. We have the same thing going on now, but the ratios are different. A machine that puts thousands out of work today, might create hundreds of jobs.

Artificial intelligence has the potential to do all of those things to the job market, that any other productivity improvements did in the past, but the types of many of those jobs in danger, are more sophisticated. In the last century, farm workers lost jobs, in this century, professionals like doctors, lawyers, and teachers will lose jobs, right along with people that assemble parts on an assemble line.

The jobs that do exist are increasingly in the service sector. Unionization has been prevented by so-called right to work laws and other political and legal obstacles. Run the numbers for inflation and see what the minimum wage would be today if it were the same fraction of the factory wage that it was back then.

The issue of those "thrashing" [sic] machines has been intensively studied for twenty years. The AI sector most decidedly does NOT absorb the labor it displaces. It hasn't and it won't. Nor is the issue confined to manufacturing, a declining sector of the GDP. Billion dollar companies such a Facebook employ fewer people than a small shoe factory. It just ain't happenin', bro.

The market has a sacred place in the minds of many conservatives. It is hard for them to understand that the old lemonade stand bromides about supply and demand just can't explain what is happening. It is even scarier than that because even the nanny state lefties don't have a solution for the new challenge. These clumsy experiments with universal government grants are just the beginning.

At the moment, we tax income from robots at about half of what the worker pays on his wage. We are going to have to flip that ratio just as a stopgap until we can figure something out.
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I look forward to replacing politicians with laptops........... :)
More nanny state welfare is the left wing "go to solution"
Nanny state welfare is an awkward transitional phase. The first step is to recognize that market economics aren't going to help because the percent of GDP created by human workers is declining inevitably and at an accelerating rate.

The first warning sign, which we are already seeing, is weakness in the consumer economy because wage stagnation means that more and more consumers don't have enough money to consume like they used to. Those fabulous 1950s and 1960s came about because unions raised wages and the increased disposable income zoomed the consumer economy, by far the largest sector.

Nobody knows where this unprecedented trend in declining labor demand will take us. It is already driving a pattern of wealth distribution unlike anything seen in the last 100 years. Trump's quick fix of a protective tariff is dismissed by professional economists across the political spectrum as a temporary tactic at best. Have you an alternative plan?
The difference between those fabulous 1950s and 1950s, and now it that the ability of unions to raise wages on jobs that no longer exist, is of no help to the consumer economy.

In the past, improvements in productivity had a net positive affect on the job market. Maybe the thrashing machine put some farm workers out of work, but it created jobs building thrashing machines, and lowered the cost of flour. We have the same thing going on now, but the ratios are different. A machine that puts thousands out of work today, might create hundreds of jobs.

Artificial intelligence has the potential to do all of those things to the job market, that any other productivity improvements did in the past, but the types of many of those jobs in danger, are more sophisticated. In the last century, farm workers lost jobs, in this century, professionals like doctors, lawyers, and teachers will lose jobs, right along with people that assemble parts on an assemble line.

The jobs that do exist are increasingly in the service sector. Unionization has been prevented by so-called right to work laws and other political and legal obstacles. Run the numbers for inflation and see what the minimum wage would be today if it were the same fraction of the factory wage that it was back then.

The issue of those "thrashing" [sic] machines has been intensively studied for twenty years. The AI sector most decidedly does NOT absorb the labor it displaces. It hasn't and it won't. Nor is the issue confined to manufacturing, a declining sector of the GDP. Billion dollar companies such a Facebook employ fewer people than a small shoe factory. It just ain't happenin', bro.

The market has a sacred place in the minds of many conservatives. It is hard for them to understand that the old lemonade stand bromides about supply and demand just can't explain what is happening. It is even scarier than that because even the nanny state lefties don't have a solution for the new challenge. These clumsy experiments with universal government grants are just the beginning.

At the moment, we tax income from robots at about half of what the worker pays on his wage. We are going to have to flip that ratio just as a stopgap until we can figure something out.
I think that you and thoughtless are actually on the same page on this in that you both acknowledge and agree that job losses to AI are only going to increase and that in the long run, most of those jobs are gone for good. They're not being replaced.

That then begs the question, what do we do about it? Because it's not going away, it's happening even as we speak, and there is no stopping it short of total societal collapse.

Now what?
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Nanny state welfare is an awkward transitional phase. The first step is to recognize that market economics aren't going to help because the percent of GDP created by human workers is declining inevitably and at an accelerating rate.

The first warning sign, which we are already seeing, is weakness in the consumer economy because wage stagnation means that more and more consumers don't have enough money to consume like they used to. Those fabulous 1950s and 1960s came about because unions raised wages and the increased disposable income zoomed the consumer economy, by far the largest sector.

Nobody knows where this unprecedented trend in declining labor demand will take us. It is already driving a pattern of wealth distribution unlike anything seen in the last 100 years. Trump's quick fix of a protective tariff is dismissed by professional economists across the political spectrum as a temporary tactic at best. Have you an alternative plan?
The difference between those fabulous 1950s and 1950s, and now it that the ability of unions to raise wages on jobs that no longer exist, is of no help to the consumer economy.

In the past, improvements in productivity had a net positive affect on the job market. Maybe the thrashing machine put some farm workers out of work, but it created jobs building thrashing machines, and lowered the cost of flour. We have the same thing going on now, but the ratios are different. A machine that puts thousands out of work today, might create hundreds of jobs.

Artificial intelligence has the potential to do all of those things to the job market, that any other productivity improvements did in the past, but the types of many of those jobs in danger, are more sophisticated. In the last century, farm workers lost jobs, in this century, professionals like doctors, lawyers, and teachers will lose jobs, right along with people that assemble parts on an assemble line.

The jobs that do exist are increasingly in the service sector. Unionization has been prevented by so-called right to work laws and other political and legal obstacles. Run the numbers for inflation and see what the minimum wage would be today if it were the same fraction of the factory wage that it was back then.

The issue of those "thrashing" [sic] machines has been intensively studied for twenty years. The AI sector most decidedly does NOT absorb the labor it displaces. It hasn't and it won't. Nor is the issue confined to manufacturing, a declining sector of the GDP. Billion dollar companies such a Facebook employ fewer people than a small shoe factory. It just ain't happenin', bro.

The market has a sacred place in the minds of many conservatives. It is hard for them to understand that the old lemonade stand bromides about supply and demand just can't explain what is happening. It is even scarier than that because even the nanny state lefties don't have a solution for the new challenge. These clumsy experiments with universal government grants are just the beginning.

At the moment, we tax income from robots at about half of what the worker pays on his wage. We are going to have to flip that ratio just as a stopgap until we can figure something out.
I think that you and thoughtless are actually on the same page on this in that you both acknowledge and agree that job losses to AI are only going to increase and that in the long run, most of those jobs are gone for good. They're not being replaced.

That then begs the question, what do we do about it? Because it's not going away, it's happening even as we speak, and there is no stopping it short of total societal collapse.

Now what?
Now what? Nobody knows and we are undertaking the first clumsy experiments to see if it is possible to jack up the minimum income by flat-rate government grants. The idea isn't as stupid as it may sound to some and there have been a surprising number of small-scale experiments so far, of which this Finnish experiment is one of the largest. A dozen or so trials have pretty much debunked the fear that people will just lie around on the dole. It turns out that we have a sort of instinct to get out there and do something.

The Danish safety net is perhaps the highest in the world. You are pretty much guaranteed a safe, decent place to live, adequate food, healthcare, education etc. Of course, if you want a bigger apartment, a car or a flat screen TV, you have to get a job, but the government will help you find one. For all that, Denmark is not a country of layabouts, nor is its economy in decline.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
It is not delusional, it is factual.

No where did I say jobs did not leave. My point is not as many jobs as people expect have left. We have lost many more jobs to the factors I mentioned.

And again, China is not a free trade partner so using China to argue trade agreements is not valid. In fact it is counterproductive for your side.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
It is not delusional, it is factual.

No where did I say jobs did not leave. My point is not as many jobs as people expect have left. We have lost many more jobs to the factors I mentioned.

And again, China is not a free trade partner so using China to argue trade agreements is not valid. In fact it is counterproductive for your side.
Both the USA and China are a part of the WTO which is meant to embody free trade. Of course, Communists aren't as stupid as American liberal leadership and actually protect their domestic industries.


Point in fact, Japan, Germany, and S Korea have not lost their manufacturing basis because they never accepted Robert Ricardo's abscurd theory and have maintained trade barriers for their companies.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
It is not delusional, it is factual.

No where did I say jobs did not leave. My point is not as many jobs as people expect have left. We have lost many more jobs to the factors I mentioned.

And again, China is not a free trade partner so using China to argue trade agreements is not valid. In fact it is counterproductive for your side.
When the American steel industry collapsed, it was taking ten workers to make a ton of US steel. We lost to Japan not just because Japanese workers back then made less but because Japanese plants were new after WWII and took fewer workers to make that ton of steel. Now US plants are at least as good as Japanese ones, American labor is only slightly higher than Japanese, the cost of shipping a ton of steel from Japan is a real factor and in both countries it takes only one worker to make that ton of steel. The moral of this tale: those jobs aren't coming back in steel or most other industries.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
It is not delusional, it is factual.

No where did I say jobs did not leave. My point is not as many jobs as people expect have left. We have lost many more jobs to the factors I mentioned.

And again, China is not a free trade partner so using China to argue trade agreements is not valid. In fact it is counterproductive for your side.
Both the USA and China are a part of the WTO which is meant to embody free trade. Of course, Communists aren't as stupid as American liberal leadership and actually protect their domestic industries.


Point in fact, Japan, Germany, and S Korea have not lost their manufacturing basis because they never accepted Robert Ricardo's abscurd theory and have maintained trade barriers for their companies.
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In other news the proliferation of the automobile will create massive layoffs, what are people in the horse and carriage industry going to do? That said the useful lifecycle of employment is decreasing rapidly and should be addressed. Our education system is still functioning like it did in the days of the one room schoolhouse. People need REALLY strong basic skills so they can transition to new employment.
I don't know when you were in a school last but our schools today have no resemblence to the schools I attended much less the "one room" schoolhouse. Today's schools are a blend of technology and outcomes-focused specialized curriculum.

But yes, we are in the midsts of another economic upheaval that started in the 70's. Industry 4.0 and other trends are moving us from a labor focused economy to a technology focused technology. That is why when Trump says he is going to bring jobs back to the U.S. he is lying because they did not go elsewhere, they disappeared into the ether of productivity enhancements and technology.

Our focus needs to be on what are the new industries that American workers can be competitive at and how do we train displaced workers to support those industries and then get the labor force to the geographical locations where those jobs are at.
How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
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Yes. All the more reason for tariffs and immigration restriction to protect labor.
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How delusional. Jobs have in fact left the USA for Mexico and China.
It is not delusional, it is factual.

No where did I say jobs did not leave. My point is not as many jobs as people expect have left. We have lost many more jobs to the factors I mentioned.

And again, China is not a free trade partner so using China to argue trade agreements is not valid. In fact it is counterproductive for your side.
Both the USA and China are a part of the WTO which is meant to embody free trade. Of course, Communists aren't as stupid as American liberal leadership and actually protect their domestic industries.


Point in fact, Japan, Germany, and S Korea have not lost their manufacturing basis because they never accepted Robert Ricardo's abscurd theory and have maintained trade barriers for their companies.
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Thanks for the affirmation- Japanese manufacturing remains 7 points higher than America.
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