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Report: Powerful labor union plans massive budget cuts in wake of Donald Trump victory; The good news just keeps coming...
Topic Started: Dec 27 2016, 01:30 PM (979 Views)
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BuckFan
Dec 28 2016, 10:15 PM
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Dec 28 2016, 12:13 PM
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Dec 28 2016, 11:39 AM
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Dec 28 2016, 10:21 AM
George Aligator
Dec 27 2016, 06:38 PM

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Government sector unions, especially the teachers unions are in for some bad times as their wages and benefits are butting heads with economic reality. Local budgets are becoming more and more consumed with retirements benefits, siphoning huge amounts of money from actual education. They will slowly be forced back to reality.

Private sectors unions need to reinvent themselves. They are still run by strongmen like Hoffa that more closely resemble organized crime organizations. Todays structure is adversarial, that doesn't benefit labor or management. If they want a bigger piece of the pie they have to be part of ownership. I totally agree, having a seat on the board is a great place to start. Owning substantial shares in the companies they represent is even better. That provides profit sharing and a voice. Buy stock, you get a vote and a dividend check.

Labor unions should provide the type of benefits workers want to join. As it stands there's too much friction in the process, it divides labor and management. Management needs to also see benefits in a union relationship. That can come from more worker flexibility and greater productivity.

I was a steelworker when I was going to college, I saw the old confrontational model and it doesn't work. It was a constant battle between the union and the old US Steel. When the steel industry died half my city died along with it. The unions need a new approach although that will be difficult, it's still run by the uncles, brothers and nephews of the old bosses.
Labor has moved way beyond the Hoffa model, that is a lie by the Right used to besmirch the modern labor movement.
Who's the President of the Teamsters? Jimmy Hoffa Jr.?

As usual Bucky you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nearly fifty years after John F. Kennedy first condemned corrupt leadership in the American labor movement, it is still plagued by rampant corruption, embezzlement, racketeering and influence from numerous organized crime organizations. From penny-ante theft to multi-million dollar embezzlement schemes, labor leaders continue to violate the trust of the members they claim to represent.

The Department of Labor’s (DOL) Office of Labor-Management Standards (OLMS) has investigated and prosecuted union leaders for embezzling more than $100 million in union dues since 2001

https://www.unionfacts.com/article/crime-and-corruption/
Unionfacts.com is the website for the Center for Union Facts, a DC based lobbying organization created by Richard Berman who specializes in PR campaigns centered around "research centers" that are funded by industry and develop "facts" beneficial to those industries.

Yes, there are still union people who break the law, just like there are people in all walks of life that break the law. But the "mob" has moved on from labor.
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Dec 28 2016, 10:15 PM
PATruth
Dec 28 2016, 12:13 PM
BuckFan
Dec 28 2016, 11:39 AM
PATruth
Dec 28 2016, 10:21 AM
George Aligator
Dec 27 2016, 06:38 PM

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Government sector unions, especially the teachers unions are in for some bad times as their wages and benefits are butting heads with economic reality. Local budgets are becoming more and more consumed with retirements benefits, siphoning huge amounts of money from actual education. They will slowly be forced back to reality.

Private sectors unions need to reinvent themselves. They are still run by strongmen like Hoffa that more closely resemble organized crime organizations. Todays structure is adversarial, that doesn't benefit labor or management. If they want a bigger piece of the pie they have to be part of ownership. I totally agree, having a seat on the board is a great place to start. Owning substantial shares in the companies they represent is even better. That provides profit sharing and a voice. Buy stock, you get a vote and a dividend check.

Labor unions should provide the type of benefits workers want to join. As it stands there's too much friction in the process, it divides labor and management. Management needs to also see benefits in a union relationship. That can come from more worker flexibility and greater productivity.

I was a steelworker when I was going to college, I saw the old confrontational model and it doesn't work. It was a constant battle between the union and the old US Steel. When the steel industry died half my city died along with it. The unions need a new approach although that will be difficult, it's still run by the uncles, brothers and nephews of the old bosses.
Labor has moved way beyond the Hoffa model, that is a lie by the Right used to besmirch the modern labor movement.
Who's the President of the Teamsters? Jimmy Hoffa Jr.?

As usual Bucky you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nearly fifty years after John F. Kennedy first condemned corrupt leadership in the American labor movement, it is still plagued by rampant corruption, embezzlement, racketeering and influence from numerous organized crime organizations. From penny-ante theft to multi-million dollar embezzlement schemes, labor leaders continue to violate the trust of the members they claim to represent.

The Department of Labor’s (DOL) Office of Labor-Management Standards (OLMS) has investigated and prosecuted union leaders for embezzling more than $100 million in union dues since 2001

https://www.unionfacts.com/article/crime-and-corruption/
Unionfacts.com is the website for the Center for Union Facts, a DC based lobbying organization created by Richard Berman who specializes in PR campaigns centered around "research centers" that are funded by industry and develop "facts" beneficial to those industries.

Yes, there are still union people who break the law, just like there are people in all walks of life that break the law. But the "mob" has moved on from labor.
So, you're saying that Jimmy Hoffa, Jr isn't president of the Teamsters or that union leaders haven't embezzled $100 in dues since 2001 or that while 92% of union political funding went to Dems in 2012, 40% of union families voted for Romney???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/08/26/not-just-in-right-to-work-states-union-workers-can-opt-out-of-membership/#64fd73af4df8
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The share of income going to the middle class has fallen in almost perfect correlation with the declining percentage of people working in jobs where they enjoy a union. Collective, democratic representation in the workplace is essential to shared and durable economic prosperity.

You can hate it. You can lie about it. You can call names. But the facts are against you. Trump and the conservatives have nothing to offer working people as an effective replacement for collective bargaining. I know it hurts your eyes and enrages you just reading these words, but really, you've got nothing and the numbers don't lie.
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Dec 28 2016, 06:35 PM
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Dec 27 2016, 11:24 PM
Most of these union contracts are for a multiplier of the minimum wage....very sneaky way for these bastards to claim to be for the little guy when they are anything but....actually screw the minimum wage earner while they are at it...
The data prove that union wage increases cause parallel increases in non-union shops and lead to wage increases in sectors where pay scales are lower. Union wage negotiations are never conducted in terms of the legal minimum wage. Minimum wages are set by state legislatures and the federal Congress.

Calling union workers "bastards" demonstrates your prejudice; the rest of the post demonstrates your ignorance. The two go hand in had with Trump chumps, angry little fellows who have no idea what they are yelling about. Thanks for the laugh
We just busted the above and you roll on expecting us to take what you say as gospel....thanks for the laugh...


oh and I was referring to union leadership as bastards....
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Dec 29 2016, 12:32 PM
George Aligator
Dec 28 2016, 06:35 PM
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Dec 27 2016, 11:24 PM
Most of these union contracts are for a multiplier of the minimum wage....very sneaky way for these bastards to claim to be for the little guy when they are anything but....actually screw the minimum wage earner while they are at it...
The data prove that union wage increases cause parallel increases in non-union shops and lead to wage increases in sectors where pay scales are lower. Union wage negotiations are never conducted in terms of the legal minimum wage. Minimum wages are set by state legislatures and the federal Congress.

Calling union workers "bastards" demonstrates your prejudice; the rest of the post demonstrates your ignorance. The two go hand in had with Trump chumps, angry little fellows who have no idea what they are yelling about. Thanks for the laugh
We just busted the above and you roll on expecting us to take what you say as gospel....thanks for the laugh...


oh and I was referring to union leadership as bastards....
I can't imagine what you think you have just busted. Your English is pathetic. I don't expect you to take what I said as gospel. I understand that you do not have the years of serious academic study that I do, that you do not know the data and do not have the mathematics background to understand it. You are just another kid in the Peanut Gallery.

It is significant that you see economics as a matter of faith, like the Gospels, rather than science. You don't know enough to know how much you don't know and you don't care. Economics for you is just another penny arcade where you can unload your hatred for those whom you imagine have made your life squalid. No wonder you think a crooked real estate millionaire from Manhattan's Upper East Side is going to save you. New Yorkers like Mr. Trump make a living by conning out-of-town rubes like you every day.
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Dec 28 2016, 07:20 PM
Nothing to refute




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