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Trump on alleged election interference by Russia: ‘Get on with our lives’
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Topic Started: Dec 29 2016, 03:21 AM (3,792 Views)
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Dec 29 2016, 01:55 PM
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
How the American people were willing to roll over and accept this is beyond my comprehension. We (the people) deserve the full weight of the consequences of this very stupid and short sighted decision. Because it is beyond your comprehension.
The Hillary camp basically admitted that the email content was legitimate. Core supporters can't accept the reality that their candidates and ideas suck.
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Dec 29 2016, 02:04 PM
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Trump believes that Putin had no effect on the US election, like Obama had no effect on the Israel election...............
Effect or not, he interfered with the U.S Elections. That should have united Americans but I guess that can only happen when one puts their faith in America and not in Russia. What the hell happened to conservatism? The party of Reagan? Now the Party of 'Putin and Pals'.
Hillary happened...She was a greater threat to world peace and the American way of life, than Putin leaking E-mails of the Democratic Party...What is so bad about leaking the truth about our political system to the American people ??? Perhaps Putin deserves a medal for what he has done for America.............
You are assuming those emails are real. It would not be hard for an organized hacking attack to slip in some juicy false emails designed to have the most disruptive effect. It is interesting though that we have elected a President that seems more intent on protecting Russia and Israel than he is the United States. If Obama or any Democrat had been this open in his support of a foreign country the Right would have been having fits. When the emails were released, you would think that, if they were false, the DNC would have erupted into angry denials and vehement self-righteous claims of innocence. Instead, they fired the DNC chair and John Podesta wisely went silent rather than drawing more attention to himself in order to weather the storm.
They're real. Everyone knows it.
And who exactly are we supposed to be "protecting Russia" from? Is "tough guy" Obama ( ) planning on some kind of retaliation based upon vague accusations from unnamed sources before he leaves office? Seems a bit unlike him based upon his track record over the past 8 years as an apologetic wuss, but I definitely wouldn't put it past him to try to mess one more thing up in the last 3 years of his administration... he's doing a hell of a job with the Middle East, after all.
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Dec 29 2016, 02:15 PM
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The guy that's telling us Russia interfered in the election is the same guy that told us if we liked our Doctor we could keep our Doctor right?
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Dec 29 2016, 02:34 PM
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
I am outraged...especially in light of this recently uncovered smoking gun...
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Dec 29 2016, 02:47 PM
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Trump believes that Putin had no effect on the US election, like Obama had no effect on the Israel election...............
Effect or not, he interfered with the U.S Elections. That should have united Americans but I guess that can only happen when one puts their faith in America and not in Russia. What the hell happened to conservatism? The party of Reagan? Now the Party of 'Putin and Pals'.
Hillary happened...She was a greater threat to world peace and the American way of life, than Putin leaking E-mails of the Democratic Party...What is so bad about leaking the truth about our political system to the American people ??? Perhaps Putin deserves a medal for what he has done for America.............
Nope. That's a conservative crackpot lie. Clearly American conservatism has chosen Russia over the United States. Seems like the President-elect has chosen Russia over the United States best interests as well.
Straight up truth. You ran an alleged criminal as a candidate and lost to Donald trump. Now you want to blame the results of your poor decisions on Russia You do realize that Trump is an alleged criminal also. It is easy to be an alleged criminal, much harder to actually have the evidence to prove they are a criminal. Clinton is not a criminal and broke no law.
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Dec 29 2016, 02:48 PM
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
How the American people were willing to roll over and accept this is beyond my comprehension. We (the people) deserve the full weight of the consequences of this very stupid and short sighted decision.
Because it is beyond your comprehension. The Hillary camp basically admitted that the email content was legitimate. Core supporters can't accept the reality that their candidates and ideas suck. No they didn't. They actually denied they were real.
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Dec 29 2016, 02:51 PM
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The guy that's telling us Russia interfered in the election is the same guy that told us if we liked our Doctor we could keep our Doctor right? No. The ones telling you this are the numerous intelligence agencies and several private cyber investigators who actually investigated the hacks and found the "smoking gun" digital trails.
There is evidence. The ones who investigated this and connected Russia are not "anonomous sources" but out in the public talking about the evidence.
This tired old Rightie ploy of lying to cover their mistakes is getting tiresome.
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Dec 29 2016, 04:46 PM
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
Hillary to Bernie supporters on alleged election interference by DNC and media: ‘Get on with our lives’ Neither Ms. Clinton nor Senator Sanders are foreign powers.
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Dec 29 2016, 04:49 PM
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Hillary happened...She was a greater threat to world peace and the American way of life, than Putin leaking E-mails of the Democratic Party...What is so bad about leaking the truth about our political system to the American people ??? Perhaps Putin deserves a medal for what he has done for America.............
Nope. That's a conservative crackpot lie. Clearly American conservatism has chosen Russia over the United States. Seems like the President-elect has chosen Russia over the United States best interests as well.
Straight up truth. You ran an alleged criminal as a candidate and lost to Donald trump. Now you want to blame the results of your poor decisions on Russia
You do realize that Trump is an alleged criminal also. It is easy to be an alleged criminal, much harder to actually have the evidence to prove they are a criminal. Clinton is not a criminal and broke no law. Trump was never an alleged criminal until he took on the political establishment.
Bill Clinton was accused of his first rape in college.
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Dec 29 2016, 04:50 PM
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
How the American people were willing to roll over and accept this is beyond my comprehension. We (the people) deserve the full weight of the consequences of this very stupid and short sighted decision.
Because it is beyond your comprehension. The Hillary camp basically admitted that the email content was legitimate. Core supporters can't accept the reality that their candidates and ideas suck.
No they didn't. They actually denied they were real. Then what was hacked? You cant have it both ways
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The President of the United States is supposed to be the number one defender of this nation from foreign attacks be they physical or cyber.
However and shockingly with the approval of conservative America we have an incoming President that is already failing on that front. Eager to take Russia's word over our own nation's intelligence is an unconscionable stand that has no defense.
Hating President Obama is no excuse for embracing Russia and the likes of President Putin over our own nation and it's interests.
I expect to disagree with conservative America on many issues. I don't expect that one of them would be a choice of Russia's "word" over that of our own.
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"Get on with our lives"???
Russia hacks and interferes with our elections and the President of the United States just dismisses it?
This guy is the defender of the constitution? The chief executive of our country? The defender of our nation? No, he's a moron that obviously owes Russia more than he does the United States.
How the American people were willing to roll over and accept this is beyond my comprehension. We (the people) deserve the full weight of the consequences of this very stupid and short sighted decision.
Because it is beyond your comprehension. The Hillary camp basically admitted that the email content was legitimate. Core supporters can't accept the reality that their candidates and ideas suck.
No they didn't. They actually denied they were real.
Then what was hacked? You cant have it both ways There were emails stolen and accounts hacked. It is not clear if all the emails released were legitimate or created to sow confusion and anger.
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Here is the full context quote form your article.
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"I think we ought to get on with our lives,” Trump said in response. “I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I'm not sure we have the kind the security we need.”
It does not seem to me that he is answering a question about the Russian sanctions there. Getting on with our lives can include sanctions on Russia assuming we have iron clad proof of their guilt in the DNC hacks.
I know that the State of Georgia does have iron clad proof that Obama had his admin attempt to hack their voting system. Should Georgia be putting sanctions on Obama personally? Just curios.
I do agree with expelling the intelligence operatives though. Just on principle.
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"I think we ought to get on with our lives,” Trump said in response. “I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I'm not sure we have the kind the security we need.”
It does not seem to me that he is answering a question about the Russian sanctions there. Getting on with our lives can include sanctions on Russia assuming we have iron clad proof of their guilt in the DNC hacks. I know that the State of Georgia does have iron clad proof that Obama had his admin attempt to hack their voting system. Should Georgia be putting sanctions on Obama personally? Just curios. I do agree with expelling the intelligence operatives though. Just on principle. As usual President-elect Trump offers a vague and wandering comment that demonstrates no direction or even an understanding of the issue, never mind actually taking a stand for this nation over Russia.
If President Obama and his administration hacked into any States election system it is a crime that should be prosecuted. Unfortunately it appears that you have been taken in by the common dishonesty we have come to expect from conservatives on issues such as these.
Not President Obama and not 'his administration'; a comment that intends to give the impression that it comes from the basement of the White House in a covert operation. http://thehill.com/policy/technology/310812-dhs-responds-to-hacking-accusations-from-Georgia
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"I think we ought to get on with our lives,” Trump said in response. “I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what’s going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I'm not sure we have the kind the security we need.”
It does not seem to me that he is answering a question about the Russian sanctions there. Getting on with our lives can include sanctions on Russia assuming we have iron clad proof of their guilt in the DNC hacks. I know that the State of Georgia does have iron clad proof that Obama had his admin attempt to hack their voting system. Should Georgia be putting sanctions on Obama personally? Just curios. I do agree with expelling the intelligence operatives though. Just on principle.
As usual President-elect Trump offers a vague and wandering comment that demonstrates no direction or even an understanding of the issue, never mind actually taking a stand for this nation over Russia. If President Obama and his administration hacked into any States election system it is a crime that should be prosecuted. Unfortunately it appears that you have been taken in by the common dishonesty we have come to expect from conservatives on issues such as these. Not President Obama and not 'his administration'; a comment that intends to give the impression that it comes from the basement of the White House in a covert operation. http://thehill.com/policy/technology/310812-dhs-responds-to-hacking-accusations-from-Georgia From your link it appears that Kemp disagrees with the conclusions of the DHS folks.
My point is that as far as I can tell, Kemp has roughly the exact same "proof" that President Obama was personally behind the attack on his State's systems that Obama has as "Proof" that Putin was personally behind the attack on the DNC's servers.
Normally I would not be this harsh on our cyber folks but they were totally dead ass wrong in their conclusions on the NK hack of Sony and a couple others. This has led me to question pretty much all of their conclusions because it seems that the Obama admin has a habit of releasing a statement saying that they have definitive proof of things only to have their conclusions debunked by private sector security folks later.
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Hear the words of the Trump: “I think we ought to get on with our lives. I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I’m not sure we have the kind, the security we need.”
There something touching in Trump's admission that he doesn't know exactly what is going on. Of course, he thinks everyone else is similarly limited. That is the funny part.
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Nope. That's a conservative crackpot lie. Clearly American conservatism has chosen Russia over the United States. Seems like the President-elect has chosen Russia over the United States best interests as well.
No....That is a liberal crackpot lie (bound to fail like all your previous ones ).....You can't handle the truth about your Party !!!............
You should stop while your far behind.
You should recognize when a foreign leader helps our people discover political corruption........ I must mention that archaic Britain is one of a few nations in the world that gives an allowance to a billionaire queen and rebuilds her biggest castle at taxpayer expense....Queen Elizabeth must be the biggest welfare momma in the world
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The guy that's telling us Russia interfered in the election is the same guy that told us if we liked our Doctor we could keep our Doctor right?
No. The ones telling you this are the numerous intelligence agencies and several private cyber investigators who actually investigated the hacks and found the "smoking gun" digital trails. There is evidence. The ones who investigated this and connected Russia are not "anonomous sources" but out in the public talking about the evidence. This tired old Rightie ploy of lying to cover their mistakes is getting tiresome. The same agencies who said there were wmds in Iraq?
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Expecting those loyal patriotic Americans who didn't not vote for the Russian endorsed candidate to just forget about it and move on with our lives is not particularly realistic.
We're not going to forget. We will remember. And it will be a problem going forward. Deal with it.
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Expecting those loyal patriotic Americans who didn't not vote for the Russian endorsed candidate to just forget about it and move on with our lives is not particularly realistic.
We're not going to forget. We will remember. And it will be a problem going forward. Deal with it. LOL...zero proof....
Russia invades Crimea: oh well
Russia shoots down airliner: mistakes happen
John Podesta falls for phishing scam: RESTART THE COLD WAR
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