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Trump on alleged election interference by Russia: ‘Get on with our lives’
Topic Started: Dec 29 2016, 03:21 AM (3,789 Views)
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.

That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring.
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Dec 30 2016, 10:36 AM
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Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
Russia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
Has as anyone proved that they did it and if so, where are the details ?
Because, call me skeptical, but I have a very hard time
believing what the government and the corporate media tells me.
In that case there is certainly nothing else anyone can tell you that would open your eyes to what you have been snagged in.

If it were true...would you support Russia meddling in our election?
Or would you simply not care?
Edited by CautionaryTales, Dec 30 2016, 10:44 AM.


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Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
Russia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
If Russia truly intervened to prevent a Clinton administration, then the American people owe a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Dec 30 2016, 10:47 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:08 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
Russia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
If Russia truly intervened to prevent a Clinton administration, then the American people owe a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid.
It's clear that you support the Russian tampering with our election.
I wasn't asking you though... I know you support Putin.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Dec 30 2016, 10:48 AM.


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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepTrump on alleged election interference by Russia: ‘Get on with our lives’

President-elect Donald Trump distanced himself Wednesday night from the Obama administration’s plans to punish Russia for its alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election, telling reporters “I think we ought to get on with our lives.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-on-alleged-election-interference-by-russia-%E2%80%98get-on-with-our-lives%E2%80%99/ar-BBxFD8j?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhphttp://thehill.com/policy/technology/310812-dhs-responds-to-hacking-accusations-from-Georgia







From your link it appears that Kemp disagrees with the conclusions of the DHS folks.

My point is that as far as I can tell, Kemp has roughly the exact same "proof" that President Obama was personally behind the attack on his State's systems that Obama has as "Proof" that Putin was personally behind the attack on the DNC's servers.

Normally I would not be this harsh on our cyber folks but they were totally dead ass wrong in their conclusions on the NK hack of Sony and a couple others. This has led me to question pretty much all of their conclusions because it seems that the Obama admin has a habit of releasing a statement saying that they have definitive proof of things only to have their conclusions debunked by private sector security folks later.
DHS sent Georgia Secretary of State Kemp the explanation. That this Republican representative that has spearheaded voter supression in his State decided to reject it is hardly a new procedure in Republican circles, along with his request that President-elect Trump investigate the incident / procedure.


Yet the irony here is far greater. We have a request for the President-elect to investigate this incident in the face of the explanation given which is easily verified and a call by the President-elect and his conservatives supporters to dismiss the hacking by the Russians.

Does anything about that make sense? We will outright reject what our own agencies tell us and the President but by pass what Russia and President Putin orchestrated during our own elections?

That is politics first and not "America First".


Do you think Iraq had WMD's and we were right to invade Iraq based on that intelligence?
The pre-war intelligence on Iraq: Wrong or hyped by the Bush White House?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/13/the-pre-war-intelligence-on-iraq-wrong-or-hyped-by-the-bush-white-house/?utm_term=.f55fbe8a05bd

So, it is pretty clear that you don't think they had anything even remotely like iron clad proof that there were WMD's in Iraq.

Now, after you decided that the Bush admin lied how did that make you react to any future accusations they made to justify their actions? We've both been on this site for over a decade so I know how you felt about them.

Since we have established that you are aware that intelligence can be either wrong or manipulated for an administrations agenda AND we have established that after that point you did not trust that administration in just about anything they did I have a question for you.

Why do you wish to hold conservatives to a different standard than you hold yourself?

The Obama admin has on multiple occasions claimed to have incontrovertible proof of who did a hacking action with the most most public of these being the NK hack of Sony. Much like the Iraq WMD's these hacks were later proven to not have been done but the folks Obama publicly claimed he had proof of doing it. Did Obama have bad info? Did Obama hype inconclusive info in order to manipulate public opinion? Did Obama just flat out lie?

We do know for a fact that in the case of Benghazi that the Obama admin completely fabricated the cause for the attack and kept on claiming for days that the stupid internet video is what caused the attack. So we know Obama has no problem lying to the people.

So why do you expect us to trust what he says? You are applying a double standard here.
Edited by Demagogue, Dec 30 2016, 10:58 AM.
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Dec 30 2016, 10:08 AM
CautionaryTales
Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
Russia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
Has as anyone proved that they did it and if so, where are the details ?
Because, call me skeptical, but I have a very hard time
believing what the government and the corporate media tells me.
In that case there is certainly nothing else anyone can tell you that would open your eyes to what you have been snagged in.

If it were true...would you support Russia meddling in our election?
Or would you simply not care?
Ask the president. Lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6m1XbWOfVk
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Dec 30 2016, 10:08 AM
CautionaryTales
Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
Russia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
If Russia truly intervened to prevent a Clinton administration, then the American people owe a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid.
It's clear that you support the Russian tampering with our election.
I wasn't asking you though... I know you support Putin.
Putin isn't resettling terrorist rapefugees in Nebraska next month. That's all you.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
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The bottom line to me is, we should be thanking Russia for exposing the corruption in our elections. Period.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepRussia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
That isn't what I asked you.
I take it you support them interfering in our election?

Or at least, you don't care that they did.
If Russia truly intervened to prevent a Clinton administration, then the American people owe a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid.
It's clear that you support the Russian tampering with our election.
I wasn't asking you though... I know you support Putin.
Putin isn't resettling terrorist rapefugees in Nebraska next month. That's all you.
In three weeks it'll be all Trump.


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Dec 30 2016, 10:57 AM
The bottom line to me is, we should be thanking Russia for exposing the corruption in our elections. Period.
Hallelujah
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The bottom line to me is, we should be thanking Russia for exposing the corruption in our elections. Period.
So you are in fashy's camp.

I see.


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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepRussia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
If Russia truly intervened to prevent a Clinton administration, then the American people owe a debt of gratitude that can never be repaid.
It's clear that you support the Russian tampering with our election.
I wasn't asking you though... I know you support Putin.
Putin isn't resettling terrorist rapefugees in Nebraska next month. That's all you.
In three weeks it'll be all Trump.
In three weeks there will be no more unvettable Muslim refugees coming here.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Dec 30 2016, 10:48 AM
Harambe4Trump
Dec 30 2016, 10:47 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepRussia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
It's clear that you support the Russian tampering with our election.
I wasn't asking you though... I know you support Putin.
Putin isn't resettling terrorist rapefugees in Nebraska next month. That's all you.
In three weeks it'll be all Trump.
In three weeks there will be no more unvettable Muslim refugees coming here.
David Blaine isn't going to be President.
PT Barnum is.


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Dec 30 2016, 10:57 AM
The bottom line to me is, we should be thanking Russia for exposing the corruption in our elections. Period.
So you are in fashy's camp.

I see.
What ?
You were one of the ones who kept Bernie from being our nominee, and you still can't swallow the fact that Hillary lost this election ALL BY HERself.
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Dec 30 2016, 10:48 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepRussia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
Putin isn't resettling terrorist rapefugees in Nebraska next month. That's all you.
In three weeks it'll be all Trump.
In three weeks there will be no more unvettable Muslim refugees coming here.
David Blaine isn't going to be President.
PT Barnum is.
Neither can do worst than HRC.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Dec 30 2016, 11:05 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 11:01 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:57 AM
The bottom line to me is, we should be thanking Russia for exposing the corruption in our elections. Period.
So you are in fashy's camp.

I see.
What ?
You were one of the ones who kept Bernie from being our nominee, and you still can't swallow the fact that Hillary lost this election ALL BY HERself.
I simply note whose company you share.
The results are the same, no matter your "reasons"


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Dec 30 2016, 10:55 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepRussia is not our enemy.
The 2 party dictatorship in Washington is our enemy.
In three weeks it'll be all Trump.
In three weeks there will be no more unvettable Muslim refugees coming here.
David Blaine isn't going to be President.
PT Barnum is.
Neither can do worst than HRC.
We soon enough are going to find out.


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What he said ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpTt_Ps404
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Dec 30 2016, 11:12 AM
Generally speaking. If it were Jesse Ventura that I was chatting with, I would want a Jesse Ventura to say what he thinks.

Can you condense Mr Venturas words down to your own notion?


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Dec 30 2016, 11:12 AM
Jesse better watch out, Obama still has a couple weeks left, he might deport him for being a Russian Spy.
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