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Trump on alleged election interference by Russia: ‘Get on with our lives’
Topic Started: Dec 29 2016, 03:21 AM (3,786 Views)
BuckFan

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Dec 31 2016, 01:38 PM
CautionaryTales
Dec 31 2016, 01:14 PM
I think we all know that Trump will dodge this. Too many people are still drunk from his win.
The important thing is to catalog it for future reference when the next choice about the guy is at hand.
LOL...don't worry we are cataloging your ever moving excuses for losing...the Russians is about excuse #6 or 7...after cartoon frogs and white supremacists...in the meantime this excuse too will be shown to be full of crap and u will move on to the next one....

from the fake news site Rolling Stone...be sure to read the whole thing

Something About This Russia Story Stinks


Nearly a decade and a half after the Iraq-WMD faceplant, the American press is again asked to co-sign a dubious intelligence assessment

(excerpt)

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.

If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now.

RS



There is little the President can do outside expulsions. It will be up to Congress to pass stronger sanctions and then we'll see if Trump signs them. I suspect most of the Republicans will turn on the few and support Putin's sycophant in the WH.
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Dec 31 2016, 01:55 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 01:41 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 07:17 AM

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Never said or even suggested there was a declared end to the cold war.

Of course you don't see a parallel, because you've never seen the evidence.

Don't you agree that it's better to gather facts before reacting? Can you answer that without the Yabbutt Bush?
I believe that the question is one worth pursuing , as is being done.
You brought up rekindling the Cold War...a nebulous war that never really ended, as I pointed out.

I was responding to you.
Pay attention. Bringing it up doesn't imply it ended. In fact 'rekindling' implies it's still smoldering.

We'll have to wait and see if any other sanctions are imposed to determine if President Obama is serious about retaliation or if he's just puffing his chest and blowing smoke.

Putin's so far brushing him off like lint from his shoulder.
Pay attention yerself.... I commented on your words.
Don't like it? tough shiatte...
LOL. My words in no way implied that the cold war had ended. So...reply to what I said, not what you needed me to say.

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Dec 31 2016, 01:11 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 12:34 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 11:55 AM
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Dec 31 2016, 06:16 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
I think we should determine the facts and see just how much they influenced the election before going off on a wild tangent, rekindling the cold war? Don't you?
The "facts" have been determined and shared with our elected officials including the Republicans in Congress. Sanctions against Russia is a bipartisan effort in Congress.
One which Trump will veto.
Because he is a sycophant to Putin
What difference does that make? Whatever Putin does has no effect on my life or the lives of real Americans.
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BuckFan
Dec 31 2016, 02:04 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 01:38 PM
CautionaryTales
Dec 31 2016, 01:14 PM
I think we all know that Trump will dodge this. Too many people are still drunk from his win.
The important thing is to catalog it for future reference when the next choice about the guy is at hand.
LOL...don't worry we are cataloging your ever moving excuses for losing...the Russians is about excuse #6 or 7...after cartoon frogs and white supremacists...in the meantime this excuse too will be shown to be full of crap and u will move on to the next one....

from the fake news site Rolling Stone...be sure to read the whole thing

Something About This Russia Story Stinks


Nearly a decade and a half after the Iraq-WMD faceplant, the American press is again asked to co-sign a dubious intelligence assessment

(excerpt)

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.

If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now.

RS



There is little the President can do outside expulsions. It will be up to Congress to pass stronger sanctions and then we'll see if Trump signs them. I suspect most of the Republicans will turn on the few and support Putin's sycophant in the WH.
Let's call this nonsense for what it really is....

Obama Punishes Russia for Allegedly Revealing the Corruption of the DNC and the Collusion of the Media with the Hillary Campaign

h/t gay patriot
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Dec 31 2016, 07:17 AM
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Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
I think we should determine the facts and see just how much they influenced the election before going off on a wild tangent, rekindling the cold war? Don't you?
We've never declared any peace to the Cold War.
I don't think it has ever been a great relationship with Russia.

I also don't see any parallel between the overwhelming evidence that the US government agencies have used to determine that Russia was the source of this election tampering (that favored one candidate over another) and the cherry picking that was done by the Bush folks looking for a justification to go to a war they had already decided to wage.

So to answer your question... I think the interferences have been identified by our National security agencies. They have said as much.
I don't think the Cold War ever went away. I see no tangents in keeping the issue alive until it is resolved for good.


I don't think it should be swept away like it isn't important.
'overwhelming evidence' ????

feel free to provide some, the alphabets have yet to... no link at all to the Russian govt, no direct link to a Russian, but take our word for it... and oh yeah, Guccifer isn't a Romanian... Defcon 3 time

there hasn't even been a link proved between the emails released by WikiLeaks and the hackers, Assange is on record as saying the emails came from another source...

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Seth Rich = Russian?

If there's evidence, let's see it - until then, you guys are getting played, which I'm pretty sure you like.
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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Lol... in other words... nothing to see here folks..just move along... :rotflmao:


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jake58

so, no evidence then???? Well, my hopes weren't too high...
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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Dec 31 2016, 03:07 PM
so, no evidence then???? Well, my hopes weren't too high...
It wouldn't matter at this point if they offered naked pictures of Putin and Trump rolling around in a field. They did release a limited explanation report if you gave a f.....
There isn't anything that would be done by the incoming President, the benefactor to the Russian sabotage of our election that you seem to support.

So..yep, for now you win you ur point. But you have to bend over and take one from Putin for the team to do it.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Dec 31 2016, 03:17 PM.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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jake58

It's worth pointing out, tho I don't expect many to understand, that this wasn't a disinformation campaign, false information wasn't leaked... this was actually TRUE information, and by definition the release of TRUE information can only be helpful to the democratic process. They didn't hack into our public systems, they didn't hack our election and they didn't threaten our democracy. Real life emails that painted the DNC and Podesta in a bad light were released to the public. End of story.

I'm guessing you and buck weren't all that upset by the illegal release of Trump's old tax returns. One wonders why you were so supportive of that while constantly bemoaning these leaks. Feel free to answer the question, I'm sure buck won't, he hasn't addressed a single contrary point yet, other than to say Glenn Greenwald... hurrr hurrr hurrr
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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Still waiting for an answer from leftists...

Why are you angry and demand economic sanctions against China when they hacked the US up the ying yang?
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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jake58

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Dec 31 2016, 03:12 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 03:07 PM
so, no evidence then???? Well, my hopes weren't too high...
It wouldn't matter at this point if they offered naked pictures of Putin and Trump rolling around in a field. They did release a limited explanation report if you gave a f.....
There isn't anything that would be done by the incoming President, the benefactor to the Russian sabotage of our election that you seem to support.

So..yep, for now you win you ur point. But you have to bend over and take one from Putin for the team to do it.
Their limited explanation report offered no link to the Russians... too bad, so sad.

I expect Trump will get into it with Putin at some point or he won't... I just hope that if he does, we'll get to see a little more than what we're currently getting... you guys were against going into Iraq on flimsy pretenses... remember that? I won't even bring up the NIE report that said with high confidence they believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction... here? Someone in the alphabets thinks Russia hacked the DNC. Who gaf?
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Dec 31 2016, 03:12 PM
jake58
Dec 31 2016, 03:07 PM
so, no evidence then???? Well, my hopes weren't too high...
It wouldn't matter at this point if they offered naked pictures of Putin and Trump rolling around in a field. They did release a limited explanation report if you gave a f.....
There isn't anything that would be done by the incoming President, the benefactor to the Russian sabotage of our election that you seem to support.

So..yep, for now you win you ur point. But you have to bend over and take one from Putin for the team to do it.
Offer whatever you have. But at this point. Zero, zip, nada....
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Dec 31 2016, 02:38 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 07:17 AM
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Dec 31 2016, 06:16 AM
CautionaryTales
Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
I think we should determine the facts and see just how much they influenced the election before going off on a wild tangent, rekindling the cold war? Don't you?
We've never declared any peace to the Cold War.
I don't think it has ever been a great relationship with Russia.

I also don't see any parallel between the overwhelming evidence that the US government agencies have used to determine that Russia was the source of this election tampering (that favored one candidate over another) and the cherry picking that was done by the Bush folks looking for a justification to go to a war they had already decided to wage.

So to answer your question... I think the interferences have been identified by our National security agencies. They have said as much.
I don't think the Cold War ever went away. I see no tangents in keeping the issue alive until it is resolved for good.


I don't think it should be swept away like it isn't important.
'overwhelming evidence' ????

feel free to provide some, the alphabets have yet to... no link at all to the Russian govt, no direct link to a Russian, but take our word for it... and oh yeah, Guccifer isn't a Romanian... Defcon 3 time

there hasn't even been a link proved between the emails released by WikiLeaks and the hackers, Assange is on record as saying the emails came from another source...

Posted Image

Seth Rich = Russian?

If there's evidence, let's see it - until then, you guys are getting played, which I'm pretty sure you like.
I posted the links to the analysis of the professionals who have access to the hacked data. They disagree with your claims and have backed it up with their documentation and analysis, I suspect you haven't read it because then you would be a liar, now you are just uninformed.

But the next time you post this crap you will be a liar which is nothing new around here.
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Dec 31 2016, 12:01 PM
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Dec 29 2016, 03:45 AM
Trump believes that Putin had no effect on the US election, like Obama had no effect on the Israel election............... :)
This today from the respected Rasmussen daily polls. It seems that Americans are not concerned about Russia but are concerned about Israel. This would put Trump more in tune with the majority of Americans on both issues.

Following Donald Trump's election as president, Americans are more optimistic about the future than they have been in over four years.

In his last few days in office, Obama has turned his guns on Israel and has now ratcheted up attacks on Russia over claims that Russian government-sanctioned hackers made embarrassing internal Democratic Party e-mails available to the media. Seventy-nine percent (79%) consider America’s relationship with Israel important to U.S. national security, but voters think that relationship has deteriorated under Obama.

Among voters who believe Hillary Clinton’s loss to Trump was due to factors beyond her control, 21% think Russian interference in the U.S. election was the most likely reason for her defeat.
From you favorite Rightie polling firm:

33% think we are heading in the right direction

43% think Clinton lost because of weakness in her candidacy while 39% think it was because of outside influences.
You failed to mention your source.
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Dec 31 2016, 04:25 PM
jake58
Dec 31 2016, 02:38 PM
CautionaryTales
Dec 31 2016, 07:17 AM
ringotuna
Dec 31 2016, 06:16 AM
CautionaryTales
Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM
Do you think the Russian influence on our election should not be tolerated by our American government?
Or do you think it should be shooed away by deflection?
I think we should determine the facts and see just how much they influenced the election before going off on a wild tangent, rekindling the cold war? Don't you?
We've never declared any peace to the Cold War.
I don't think it has ever been a great relationship with Russia.

I also don't see any parallel between the overwhelming evidence that the US government agencies have used to determine that Russia was the source of this election tampering (that favored one candidate over another) and the cherry picking that was done by the Bush folks looking for a justification to go to a war they had already decided to wage.

So to answer your question... I think the interferences have been identified by our National security agencies. They have said as much.
I don't think the Cold War ever went away. I see no tangents in keeping the issue alive until it is resolved for good.


I don't think it should be swept away like it isn't important.
'overwhelming evidence' ????

feel free to provide some, the alphabets have yet to... no link at all to the Russian govt, no direct link to a Russian, but take our word for it... and oh yeah, Guccifer isn't a Romanian... Defcon 3 time

there hasn't even been a link proved between the emails released by WikiLeaks and the hackers, Assange is on record as saying the emails came from another source...

Posted Image

Seth Rich = Russian?

If there's evidence, let's see it - until then, you guys are getting played, which I'm pretty sure you like.
I posted the links to the analysis of the professionals who have access to the hacked data. They disagree with your claims and have backed it up with their documentation and analysis, I suspect you haven't read it because then you would be a liar, now you are just uninformed.

But the next time you post this crap you will be a liar which is nothing new around here.
Your links are to a report that is months old. I posted recent analysis debunking all its major conclusions. Anyone reading those articles knows who the liar is... and I wouldn't read them if I were you either.
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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Dec 31 2016, 04:42 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 12:01 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 10:11 AM
Robert Stout
Dec 29 2016, 03:45 AM
Trump believes that Putin had no effect on the US election, like Obama had no effect on the Israel election............... :)
This today from the respected Rasmussen daily polls. It seems that Americans are not concerned about Russia but are concerned about Israel. This would put Trump more in tune with the majority of Americans on both issues.

Following Donald Trump's election as president, Americans are more optimistic about the future than they have been in over four years.

In his last few days in office, Obama has turned his guns on Israel and has now ratcheted up attacks on Russia over claims that Russian government-sanctioned hackers made embarrassing internal Democratic Party e-mails available to the media. Seventy-nine percent (79%) consider America’s relationship with Israel important to U.S. national security, but voters think that relationship has deteriorated under Obama.

Among voters who believe Hillary Clinton’s loss to Trump was due to factors beyond her control, 21% think Russian interference in the U.S. election was the most likely reason for her defeat.
From you favorite Rightie polling firm:

33% think we are heading in the right direction

43% think Clinton lost because of weakness in her candidacy while 39% think it was because of outside influences.
You failed to mention your source.
Rasmussen, the topic of this comment thread
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Dec 31 2016, 04:46 PM
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Dec 31 2016, 06:16 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
We've never declared any peace to the Cold War.
I don't think it has ever been a great relationship with Russia.

I also don't see any parallel between the overwhelming evidence that the US government agencies have used to determine that Russia was the source of this election tampering (that favored one candidate over another) and the cherry picking that was done by the Bush folks looking for a justification to go to a war they had already decided to wage.

So to answer your question... I think the interferences have been identified by our National security agencies. They have said as much.
I don't think the Cold War ever went away. I see no tangents in keeping the issue alive until it is resolved for good.


I don't think it should be swept away like it isn't important.
'overwhelming evidence' ????

feel free to provide some, the alphabets have yet to... no link at all to the Russian govt, no direct link to a Russian, but take our word for it... and oh yeah, Guccifer isn't a Romanian... Defcon 3 time

there hasn't even been a link proved between the emails released by WikiLeaks and the hackers, Assange is on record as saying the emails came from another source...

Posted Image

Seth Rich = Russian?

If there's evidence, let's see it - until then, you guys are getting played, which I'm pretty sure you like.
I posted the links to the analysis of the professionals who have access to the hacked data. They disagree with your claims and have backed it up with their documentation and analysis, I suspect you haven't read it because then you would be a liar, now you are just uninformed.

But the next time you post this crap you will be a liar which is nothing new around here.
Your links are to a report that is months old. I posted recent analysis debunking all its major conclusions. Anyone reading those articles knows who the liar is... and I wouldn't read them if I were you either.
Your biased source did not debunk anything and the links I provided have embedded links that discuss the critique.

Again, I'll chose to believe experts in multiple cyber-security firms and 17 US intelligence agencies over a tech reporter at a biased, Right-wing website that supports Glen Greenwald and Wikileaks.
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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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It's tragic to see conservatives that once claimed to be the only true patriots in this country embrace Russia over their own home; The United States of America.

Party of Reagan now the party or Russia. Loyalty not even up for grabs, it's now just lost; mired in their hate and pursuit for whatever odd form of purity they seek. If embracing Russia over the United States for the moment can be manipulated for their politics then they are willing, able and eager.

It's vomit producing.

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