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US Officials Shutting Down Russian Compound in Maryland
Topic Started: Dec 30 2016, 12:52 AM (1,746 Views)
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Dec 30 2016, 10:32 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:31 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:23 AM
First, if you knew that the Russians were committing espionage from these compounds then why did you not close them and expel the Russians long ago?


Second, the way that Puntin is handling this is making Obama look like he is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Of course, then I look at all the pardons and the last minute executive actions Obama is taking and think that maybe Obama is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Obama is like a person who is being evicted for not paying the rent who chooses to wreck the house on the way out because he is mad that you have the audacity to toss him out.
Having them all located in one place was probably a convenience.
All the easier to keep an eye on their activity.

Sending them away doesn't mean much. It will be an inconvenience for the Russians and it will take action from Putin's American Governor to highlight that they are here with his invitiation.

A brick doesn't build a wall. It takes a lot of brick to build a wall.
This is one brick.
If only you were half as upset with Mexico, Israel, or Saudi Arabia meddling in our politics.
I think when Israel meddled in our politics with BiBi's speech we were pretty upset. As to the others, do you have any examples or evidence?
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First, if you knew that the Russians were committing espionage from these compounds then why did you not close them and expel the Russians long ago?


Second, the way that Puntin is handling this is making Obama look like he is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Of course, then I look at all the pardons and the last minute executive actions Obama is taking and think that maybe Obama is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Obama is like a person who is being evicted for not paying the rent who chooses to wreck the house on the way out because he is mad that you have the audacity to toss him out.
Having them all located in one place was probably a convenience.
All the easier to keep an eye on their activity.

Sending them away doesn't mean much. It will be an inconvenience for the Russians and it will take action from Putin's American Governor to highlight that they are here with his invitiation.

A brick doesn't build a wall. It takes a lot of brick to build a wall.
This is one brick.
If only you were half as upset with Mexico, Israel, or Saudi Arabia meddling in our politics.
I think when Israel meddled in our politics with BiBi's speech we were pretty upset. As to the others, do you have any examples or evidence?
How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
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Dec 30 2016, 10:32 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:31 AM

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If only you were half as upset with Mexico, Israel, or Saudi Arabia meddling in our politics.
They do not carry the same threat as does Russia.
Interaction between us and them presents their own set of challenges to us.

We have treaties with some, we have business and charity interests....
We sell to some, we buy from some. We support the military for some.

Each of those three you mention are allies of this country.
Russia is no ally. They have not been accused of tampering with our election. Russia has.

Do you support their meddling with our election?
You do understand that we meddle in other countries elections all the time don't you? Not only do we do it all the time, every nation does via one method or another.

China for example financially backed the Clintons. Mexico uses the influence of their undocumented invasion force to effect our elections. President Obama openly enforced candidates in the Israeli elections and he probably had the NSA working on hacking Netanyahu.

While I am not happy with the success of the hacking efforts (I don't know who hacked them and Obama's has proven in the past that he can not be trusted to give accurate information on things like this) I am not in any way surprised. I don't know that the Russians did the hacking but there is no doubt that they like China, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect all have tried to influence the election.
Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
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Dec 30 2016, 01:40 PM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:31 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:23 AM
First, if you knew that the Russians were committing espionage from these compounds then why did you not close them and expel the Russians long ago?


Second, the way that Puntin is handling this is making Obama look like he is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Of course, then I look at all the pardons and the last minute executive actions Obama is taking and think that maybe Obama is throwing a temper tantrum on his way out of office. Obama is like a person who is being evicted for not paying the rent who chooses to wreck the house on the way out because he is mad that you have the audacity to toss him out.
Having them all located in one place was probably a convenience.
All the easier to keep an eye on their activity.

Sending them away doesn't mean much. It will be an inconvenience for the Russians and it will take action from Putin's American Governor to highlight that they are here with his invitiation.

A brick doesn't build a wall. It takes a lot of brick to build a wall.
This is one brick.
If only you were half as upset with Mexico, Israel, or Saudi Arabia meddling in our politics.
I think when Israel meddled in our politics with BiBi's speech we were pretty upset. As to the others, do you have any examples or evidence?
How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
If they are a citizen of the U.S. they can vote for whomever they want. It would have been in their best interest to vote for Democrats.

Illegals are not allowed to vote and outside the conspiracies of the Right, they don't. You and Trump should quit watching InfoWars.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
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If only you were half as upset with Mexico, Israel, or Saudi Arabia meddling in our politics.
I think when Israel meddled in our politics with BiBi's speech we were pretty upset. As to the others, do you have any examples or evidence?
How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
If they are a citizen of the U.S. they can vote for whomever they want. It would have been in their best interest to vote for Democrats.

Illegals are not allowed to vote and outside the conspiracies of the Right, they don't. You and Trump should quit watching InfoWars.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
Dual citizens have dual loyalties. How fitting it is they vote for the Democratic Party. There are now millions of people now voting and in this country because one political party decided it could farm these people for votes. That has been far more damaging and traitorous than anything with Russians revealing Democratic corruption.
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When Russia imports rapefugees to Columbus and Twin Falls, ID and threatens criminal prosecution to the affected townspeople is when I will worry about their electoral shenanigans. Vladimir Putin isn't importing millions of third worlders into this country, Vlad isn't enacting discriminatory affirmative action policies, Vlad isn't taking away my gun rights. No that's the Democratic Party who is making itself the enemy.
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When Russia imports rapefugees to Columbus and Twin Falls, ID and threatens criminal prosecution to the affected townspeople is when I will worry about their electoral shenanigans. Vladimir Putin isn't importing millions of third worlders into this country, Vlad isn't enacting discriminatory affirmative action policies, Vlad isn't taking away my gun rights. No that's the Democratic Party who is making itself the enemy.
and the fake news minions....they seem to collectively selectively that their candidate spent millions hiring fake news making internet trolls and their party chair had to resign over collusion who subsequently their candidate hired

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They do not carry the same threat as does Russia.
Interaction between us and them presents their own set of challenges to us.

We have treaties with some, we have business and charity interests....
We sell to some, we buy from some. We support the military for some.

Each of those three you mention are allies of this country.
Russia is no ally. They have not been accused of tampering with our election. Russia has.

Do you support their meddling with our election?
You do understand that we meddle in other countries elections all the time don't you? Not only do we do it all the time, every nation does via one method or another.

China for example financially backed the Clintons. Mexico uses the influence of their undocumented invasion force to effect our elections. President Obama openly enforced candidates in the Israeli elections and he probably had the NSA working on hacking Netanyahu.

While I am not happy with the success of the hacking efforts (I don't know who hacked them and Obama's has proven in the past that he can not be trusted to give accurate information on things like this) I am not in any way surprised. I don't know that the Russians did the hacking but there is no doubt that they like China, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect all have tried to influence the election.
Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
You believe wrong, as per usual. Most were found guilty or pleaded guilty yet none served a day in jail. I don't think you want to go down this road, buck. Reno impeded all requests for a special prosecutor, even when directly requested by Clinton's FBI Director. FBI agents were not allowed to ask Clinton or Gore questions during Justice Dept interviews and at no time was anyone in the White House queried on the record about these specific folks who clearly had connections to the White House.

Both parties agreed that the Chinese were trying to influence elections, the difference was that the Republican thought they were trying to influence the Presidential and Congressional elections and the Democrats just thought they were trying to influence Congressional elections, pretty laughable considering all the money that had to be returned by Clinton, but then again libs are pretty laughable when it comes to this kind of stuff.

With regard to Russia you seem to think that sufficient evidence has been produced to connect Russia to the recent hacking and while I'm not much of a tech guy, I found this article illuminating for the fact that there's nothing that's been produced publicly which definitively makes a connection - one hopes intel has a little more than this.

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=123016&utm_medium=email

The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website
.

Has anyone suggested that the Russians tried to influence the election by influence peddling or graft? Apparently, at the worst, and this is unproven, they've made some emails public that some people didn't want to be made public. Oh snap!
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Dec 30 2016, 03:27 PM
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Dec 30 2016, 01:48 PM
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Dec 30 2016, 11:59 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 11:11 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:37 AM

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You do understand that we meddle in other countries elections all the time don't you? Not only do we do it all the time, every nation does via one method or another.

China for example financially backed the Clintons. Mexico uses the influence of their undocumented invasion force to effect our elections. President Obama openly enforced candidates in the Israeli elections and he probably had the NSA working on hacking Netanyahu.

While I am not happy with the success of the hacking efforts (I don't know who hacked them and Obama's has proven in the past that he can not be trusted to give accurate information on things like this) I am not in any way surprised. I don't know that the Russians did the hacking but there is no doubt that they like China, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect all have tried to influence the election.
Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
You believe wrong, as per usual. Most were found guilty or pleaded guilty yet none served a day in jail. I don't think you want to go down this road, buck. Reno impeded all requests for a special prosecutor, even when directly requested by Clinton's FBI Director. FBI agents were not allowed to ask Clinton or Gore questions during Justice Dept interviews and at no time was anyone in the White House queried on the record about these specific folks who clearly had connections to the White House.

Both parties agreed that the Chinese were trying to influence elections, the difference was that the Republican thought they were trying to influence the Presidential and Congressional elections and the Democrats just thought they were trying to influence Congressional elections, pretty laughable considering all the money that had to be returned by Clinton, but then again libs are pretty laughable when it comes to this kind of stuff.

With regard to Russia you seem to think that sufficient evidence has been produced to connect Russia to the recent hacking and while I'm not much of a tech guy, I found this article illuminating for the fact that there's nothing that's been produced publicly which definitively makes a connection - one hopes intel has a little more than this.

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=123016&utm_medium=email

The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website
.

Has anyone suggested that the Russians tried to influence the election by influence peddling or graft? Apparently, at the worst, and this is unproven, they've made some emails public that some people didn't want to be made public. Oh snap!
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I think when Israel meddled in our politics with BiBi's speech we were pretty upset. As to the others, do you have any examples or evidence?
How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
If they are a citizen of the U.S. they can vote for whomever they want. It would have been in their best interest to vote for Democrats.

Illegals are not allowed to vote and outside the conspiracies of the Right, they don't. You and Trump should quit watching InfoWars.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
Dual citizens have dual loyalties. How fitting it is they vote for the Democratic Party. There are now millions of people now voting and in this country because one political party decided it could farm these people for votes. That has been far more damaging and traitorous than anything with Russians revealing Democratic corruption.
Uh no, that is just a silly statement you made.
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Dec 30 2016, 11:59 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 11:11 AM
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Dec 30 2016, 10:37 AM

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You do understand that we meddle in other countries elections all the time don't you? Not only do we do it all the time, every nation does via one method or another.

China for example financially backed the Clintons. Mexico uses the influence of their undocumented invasion force to effect our elections. President Obama openly enforced candidates in the Israeli elections and he probably had the NSA working on hacking Netanyahu.

While I am not happy with the success of the hacking efforts (I don't know who hacked them and Obama's has proven in the past that he can not be trusted to give accurate information on things like this) I am not in any way surprised. I don't know that the Russians did the hacking but there is no doubt that they like China, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iran ect all have tried to influence the election.
Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
You believe wrong, as per usual. Most were found guilty or pleaded guilty yet none served a day in jail. I don't think you want to go down this road, buck. Reno impeded all requests for a special prosecutor, even when directly requested by Clinton's FBI Director. FBI agents were not allowed to ask Clinton or Gore questions during Justice Dept interviews and at no time was anyone in the White House queried on the record about these specific folks who clearly had connections to the White House.

Both parties agreed that the Chinese were trying to influence elections, the difference was that the Republican thought they were trying to influence the Presidential and Congressional elections and the Democrats just thought they were trying to influence Congressional elections, pretty laughable considering all the money that had to be returned by Clinton, but then again libs are pretty laughable when it comes to this kind of stuff.

With regard to Russia you seem to think that sufficient evidence has been produced to connect Russia to the recent hacking and while I'm not much of a tech guy, I found this article illuminating for the fact that there's nothing that's been produced publicly which definitively makes a connection - one hopes intel has a little more than this.

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=123016&utm_medium=email

The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website
.

Has anyone suggested that the Russians tried to influence the election by influence peddling or graft? Apparently, at the worst, and this is unproven, they've made some emails public that some people didn't want to be made public. Oh snap!
OK, let me be more precise, they were convicted and punished.

As to the Ukrainian connection, the malware was not from Ukraine, it was used against Ukraine. It was traced at that time back to Russian intelligence agencies. That is what makes the malware a "smoking gun" in that it is specifically a tool of Russian military intelligence units.

As far as the "make it public" smokescreen, we are not entitled to seeing raw intelligence, especially active intelligence. It pretty much kills any progress the intelligence community has made against foreign hackers. That is why our elected officials with security clearances get to see it, so they can vouch for it. Which they have done.
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How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
If they are a citizen of the U.S. they can vote for whomever they want. It would have been in their best interest to vote for Democrats.

Illegals are not allowed to vote and outside the conspiracies of the Right, they don't. You and Trump should quit watching InfoWars.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
Dual citizens have dual loyalties. How fitting it is they vote for the Democratic Party. There are now millions of people now voting and in this country because one political party decided it could farm these people for votes. That has been far more damaging and traitorous than anything with Russians revealing Democratic corruption.
Uh no, that is just a silly statement you made.
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How many illegals or dual citizens from Mexico voted for the Democratic Party? Perhaps you have heard of a certain historical event that happened 15 years ago?
If they are a citizen of the U.S. they can vote for whomever they want. It would have been in their best interest to vote for Democrats.

Illegals are not allowed to vote and outside the conspiracies of the Right, they don't. You and Trump should quit watching InfoWars.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
Dual citizens have dual loyalties. How fitting it is they vote for the Democratic Party. There are now millions of people now voting and in this country because one political party decided it could farm these people for votes. That has been far more damaging and traitorous than anything with Russians revealing Democratic corruption.
Uh no, that is just a silly statement you made.
Vladimir Putin has never done anything to harm me and mine. I cannot say the same of your political Party.
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No matter how disastrous anyone thinks Trump will become, it will never hold a candle to starting WW3 so anyone who says Hillary should have been voted for because Trump would be a bigger disaster can stuff a sock in their mouths.
So you have some source for this besides your lower intestine?

The link in this news topic, something you might want to click before you start a reply next time so you don't seem so useless in a topic discussion anymore.
Hey doofus!

There's nothing in your link about Clinton, Trump and WW3, which was the quote I asked about.

Lern to reed, moron. Or just stop posting and embarrassing your ignorant self.

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Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
You believe wrong, as per usual. Most were found guilty or pleaded guilty yet none served a day in jail. I don't think you want to go down this road, buck. Reno impeded all requests for a special prosecutor, even when directly requested by Clinton's FBI Director. FBI agents were not allowed to ask Clinton or Gore questions during Justice Dept interviews and at no time was anyone in the White House queried on the record about these specific folks who clearly had connections to the White House.

Both parties agreed that the Chinese were trying to influence elections, the difference was that the Republican thought they were trying to influence the Presidential and Congressional elections and the Democrats just thought they were trying to influence Congressional elections, pretty laughable considering all the money that had to be returned by Clinton, but then again libs are pretty laughable when it comes to this kind of stuff.

With regard to Russia you seem to think that sufficient evidence has been produced to connect Russia to the recent hacking and while I'm not much of a tech guy, I found this article illuminating for the fact that there's nothing that's been produced publicly which definitively makes a connection - one hopes intel has a little more than this.

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=123016&utm_medium=email

The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website
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Has anyone suggested that the Russians tried to influence the election by influence peddling or graft? Apparently, at the worst, and this is unproven, they've made some emails public that some people didn't want to be made public. Oh snap!


As to the Ukrainian connection, the malware was not from Ukraine, it was used against Ukraine. It was traced at that time back to Russian intelligence agencies. That is what makes the malware a "smoking gun" in that it is specifically a tool of Russian military intelligence units.
I don't want to get into this discussion too much but I would like to make a technical point here. You are probably aware of Stuxnet. Stuxnet is usually attributed to the actions of some nefarious US/Israeli team who built the worm to damage the Iranian nuclear program.

The thing is, once Stuxnet was out in the wild a number of people got access to it and since then it and variants of it have turned up used in exploits that were pretty much certainly not done by the US or Israel.

So, stating that they code used in the attack was similar to the code that was previously used by Russians and therefor it is without question the Russians who performed this exploit is a weak argument. It would be equal to saying that every stuxnet attack around the world was performed by the NSA.

I am just putting this out there FYI. :cheers:
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Just so long as it's clear where you guys loyalties lie.
Russia it is.
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Dec 30 2016, 11:11 AM

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Yes, China... we never really did hear too much from Democratic friends about that one... who can forget Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang...?


The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996, China's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the Chinese embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the Chinese targeted only congressional elections. The government of the People's Republic of China denied all accusations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

I'm sure it's just an oversight that libs completely forgot about China's dealings with the Clintons while they are fapping themselves silly over Pooty-poot.
I believe those people went to prison.
You believe wrong, as per usual. Most were found guilty or pleaded guilty yet none served a day in jail. I don't think you want to go down this road, buck. Reno impeded all requests for a special prosecutor, even when directly requested by Clinton's FBI Director. FBI agents were not allowed to ask Clinton or Gore questions during Justice Dept interviews and at no time was anyone in the White House queried on the record about these specific folks who clearly had connections to the White House.

Both parties agreed that the Chinese were trying to influence elections, the difference was that the Republican thought they were trying to influence the Presidential and Congressional elections and the Democrats just thought they were trying to influence Congressional elections, pretty laughable considering all the money that had to be returned by Clinton, but then again libs are pretty laughable when it comes to this kind of stuff.

With regard to Russia you seem to think that sufficient evidence has been produced to connect Russia to the recent hacking and while I'm not much of a tech guy, I found this article illuminating for the fact that there's nothing that's been produced publicly which definitively makes a connection - one hopes intel has a little more than this.

https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=123016&utm_medium=email

The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.

The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website
.

Has anyone suggested that the Russians tried to influence the election by influence peddling or graft? Apparently, at the worst, and this is unproven, they've made some emails public that some people didn't want to be made public. Oh snap!
OK, let me be more precise, they were convicted and punished.

As to the Ukrainian connection, the malware was not from Ukraine, it was used against Ukraine. It was traced at that time back to Russian intelligence agencies. That is what makes the malware a "smoking gun" in that it is specifically a tool of Russian military intelligence units.

As far as the "make it public" smokescreen, we are not entitled to seeing raw intelligence, especially active intelligence. It pretty much kills any progress the intelligence community has made against foreign hackers. That is why our elected officials with security clearances get to see it, so they can vouch for it. Which they have done.
Well, if by 'punished' you mean after attempting to influence US elections via graft and illicit contributions they were sentenced primarily to probation and some fines(paid by someone), yes, I guess we could say that they might have been 'punished.' I would suggest that the whole farrago of illegal activity was a white wash which found what it was supposed to find - nothing while nearly all the relevant questions remained unanswered.

You might have noticed that I posted a source for the thoughts about the malware not the ramblings of some boob in Youngstown.

DHS and DNI have released a joint statement that says:

“This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities. The report contains specific indicators of compromise, including IP addresses and a PHP malware sample.”

The PHP malware sample they have provided appears to be P.A.S. version 3.1.0 which is commonly available and the website that claims to have authored it says they are Ukrainian. It is also several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources.


You might want to read that part again. There is no direct connection proven to the Russian intel services and the malware sample proferred is commonly available and the website that claims to author it says they are Ukranian. Also, one might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources.


This is from a website that claims to have no political stake and is merely parsing what the agencies have released thus far.

In future if you're going to offer something, how about providing a source which backs up your tortured interpretation?

It's quite possible that one of the alphabets has more direct information than they're providing... but what they've provided shows no direct link to Russian intel. And no, I don't find the word of Mitch McConnell any more reliable than Harry Reid's. Obama said the results of the investigation would be released to the public. We're waiting.
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Obama's investigation has NOTHING of substance...Obama is talking smack on his way out of the door...Obama is the lamest of lame ducks.................... :oyvey
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