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| Report cites gains from Ohio's Medicaid expansion; Republicans will have trouble fighting the facts | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 31 2016, 06:33 PM (869 Views) | |
| BuckFan | Dec 31 2016, 06:33 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/31/report-cites-gains-from-ohios-medicaid-expansion.html With President-elect Donald Trump and congressional Republicans planning to repeal Obamacare, Gov. John Kasich’s administration released a report Friday saying that Ohio’s 2014 Medicaid expansion has improved the health and reduced financial hardships for hundreds of thousands of poor Ohioans. |
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| BuckFan | Dec 31 2016, 06:38 PM Post #2 |
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The Right can't handle Medicaid expansion because it shows that single-payer healthcare works. They have to trash it and claim it isn't working. However, as states that expanded Medicaid have shown, it is successful and has measurable successes. |
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| Robertr2000 | Dec 31 2016, 07:30 PM Post #3 |
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...and massively hurt the working middle class as well as every other productive member of our society. |
| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| George Aligator | Dec 31 2016, 08:03 PM Post #4 |
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If the new administration dumps twenty million Americans off their subsidized insurance we will have an interesting referendum on the matter in the next election. That's how the system is supposed to work. We spent so much time distracted by Hillary's emails that the issue was overlooked. It would be healthy for our democracy to see an election dominated by a real issue. |
| Conservatism is a social disease | |
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| BuckFan | Dec 31 2016, 08:17 PM Post #5 |
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who are working too |
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| George Aligator | Dec 31 2016, 08:30 PM Post #6 |
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The Congressional Budget Office said in 2015 that “repealing the A.C.A. would raise federal deficits by $137 billion over the 2016-2025 period” — not only because the government would spend more on Medicare, for older Americans, but also because it would collect less in taxes from high-income households. The law also saves hundreds of billions of dollars by reducing the growth of Medicare payments to hospitals, nursing homes, health maintenance organizations and other health care providers. Repealing the law would eliminate those savings and thus increase federal spending, the Congressional Budget Office says. The proposed rules written by House Republicans allow lawmakers to raise a point of order against legislation that causes an increase in certain types of federal spending. But the rules give special protection to bills repealing or “reforming” the Affordable Care Act, even if such bills cause a temporary increase in spending. Republicans worry that the Congressional Budget Office could count their plan for replacing the law as new spending, making it subject to challenge on the House floor. The exception being written into House rules would help them avoid that possibility. Ms. Pelosi pointed to this provision as evidence that the health care law, as written, saves money. In their version of the rules, she said, “Republicans are admitting that repealing the Affordable Care Act will increase costs.” Repealing ACA is a feel-good measure that will backfire on the GOP like an exploding cigar. Good times ahead! |
| Conservatism is a social disease | |
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| Robert Stout | Dec 31 2016, 11:30 PM Post #7 |
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Changing the name from Obamacare to Trumpcare will take care of the political problems..........
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Paula Ticks | Jan 1 2017, 08:25 AM Post #8 |
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There have been robo calls made this week to Ohioans instructing them to get in touch with Sherrod Brown (Senator) and tell him to do the right thing when a vote comes up under our new president regarding getting rid of Obamacare. (According to the call, he needs to vote against it--not for it like he did in the past.) Don't know if that is happening elsewhere but got to say, someone is on top of this. Getting rid of Obamacare seems to be their priority. |
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| BuckFan | Jan 1 2017, 05:53 PM Post #9 |
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Getting rid of Obamacare is the Republicans' No.1 priority. It is clear the insurance industry which hates it along with the evangelicals really are putting the pressure on them. |
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| clone | Jan 1 2017, 06:08 PM Post #10 |
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Director @ Center for Advanced Memetic Warfare
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A report from Kasich....well that's instantly believable right there....
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| George Aligator | Jan 1 2017, 08:59 PM Post #11 |
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Even Mr. Trump has backed away from just repealing ACA because dumping 20,000,000 Americans off the insurance rolls would be a catastrophe for every politician who had his name on that one. Trump has already promised to keep kids under 26 on their parents' plan, to keep pre-condition applicants on the rolls and to protect Medicaid and Medicare, so Ryan and the crazies are setting up a confrontation with their new leader. Of course, it is possible to repeal ACA and put something else (called "repeal and replace") on the books instead, but the GOP hasn't been able to come up with that something else after seven years of trying and they aren't ready now. If the House crazies repeal ACA with nothing to replace it -- something they have done almost fifty times so far -- Trump may well veto the bill just as Obama did. Trump isn't going to sacrifice his personal popularity at any price. Most likely there will be a compromise. Obamacare will be repealed with an effective date around 2020 with conditional requirement that an effective replacement be passed first. In other words, nothing. It is all bullsh!t. There is no Republican alternative because ACA is a Republican plan to begin with. Every alternative to ACA is to the left, i.e. Medicare for All, the public option, or single payer. That's it. |
| Conservatism is a social disease | |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 1 2017, 11:31 PM Post #12 |
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Excuse me...The health insurance corporations wrote the Obamacare bill..........
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 1 2017, 11:36 PM Post #13 |
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Trumps first priority in taking office is to castrate Ryan and his other political whore friends...We are having a revolution here, not business as usual.........
Edited by Robert Stout, Jan 1 2017, 11:37 PM.
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| clone | Jan 2 2017, 12:12 AM Post #14 |
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Director @ Center for Advanced Memetic Warfare
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Pretty sure the politicians had to vote for it first before they could find out what's in it...or so the current DNC minority leader said.... |
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| BuckFan | Jan 2 2017, 02:18 AM Post #15 |
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They participated because they knew if they didn't it would be worse for them. That does not mean they like it. They wanted the new business from the mandate. That was slow to materialize and the new policies were for, gasp, sick people not healthy people they get rich off of. They want to go back to the old days when they can drop sick people and charge healthy people exorbitant premiums. |
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| BuckFan | Jan 2 2017, 02:19 AM Post #16 |
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No, what she said was you have to get through all the voting on amendments and provisions to get the final bill and know what is really in the final bill. That is true about all legislation. |
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| PATruth | Jan 2 2017, 10:53 AM Post #17 |
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How sad, liberals calling the expansion of a welfare program a success. A real success story would have been a growing economy and the creation of real jobs that provided private health insurance. Democrats can always count on welfare recipients at the polls, that's why they consider this a success. |
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"No. No he won't. We'll stop it." | |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 2 2017, 12:12 PM Post #18 |
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Obamacare significantly differs from Romneycare in Massachucetts, by Romneycare having government control over the regulations of the health care plan....Health insurance corporations love the degree of control they have in Obamacare...Their sniveling is just an attempt to extort more money from the public and trading market share among themselves...I hope you stop believing the corporations BS................. :oyvey Edited by Robert Stout, Jan 2 2017, 12:13 PM.
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| George Aligator | Jan 2 2017, 12:26 PM Post #19 |
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I understand your point; however, the crucial factor is not the expansion of the economy. The economy has expanded dramatically under Obama (ouch!). The DJIA, as you know, has damn near tripled! The problem is job creation and wage stagnation (employer-provided health insurance is part of wages). The underlying driver in these stubborn areas is productivity technology. Our economy is creating wealth that is the envy of the world. The problem is that more and more of that wealth is created by robots and so, naturally, accrues to the guys who own the robots, i.e. stockholders (aka the 1%), not workers. The free market capitalist system is working like a charm. The system, however, is built to create wealth, not jobs. What are we going to do to fix this situation? The scary thing is, that while there are a number of theories and experiments, nobody knows for sure. Do you have an idea? |
| Conservatism is a social disease | |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 2 2017, 12:29 PM Post #20 |
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Yes...Dress up like a robot for job interviews..................
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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