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| Repeal and Delay' Won’t Prevent Obamacare Repeal Chaos; Republican plans to phase out the Affordable Care Act slowly still might upend health insurance markets in the short-term. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 4 2017, 01:41 PM (564 Views) | |
| George Aligator | Jan 4 2017, 01:41 PM Post #1 |
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Over the next few weeks, Republicans will probably vote to repeal Obamacare. Though Republicans and vice president-elect Mike Pence are huddling to come up with replacement plans, the general framework of action over the immediate term seems clear. Republicans will likely delay its phase-out so as to not immediately cancel millions of plans and “create a transition and bridge so that no one is left out in the cold,” as per Speaker Ryan. Barring defections, Democrats have little power to stop them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/repeal-and-delay-wont-prevent-obamacare-repeal-chaos/512147/ |
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| PATruth | Jan 4 2017, 01:47 PM Post #2 |
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ObamaCare is collapsing, a certain degree of chaos is inevitable. One-Third of Counties Will Have Just One Obamacare Insurer by 2017 http://time.com/money/4477787/obamacare-insurance-price-increases-2017/ While Obamacare, formally known as the Affordable Care Act, has increased health coverage for millions, the program hasn’t been without its growing pains. Insurers are abandoning coverage options in many parts of the country because they say the costs are too high, leading to less competition. Now rising healthcare costs and miscalculations by many insurers mean monthly payments demanded of participants in many states could rise by double digits. There is one sliver of good news. Since low-income Americans insured through Obamacare receive government subsidies, Uncle Sam is likely to pick up all or part of the tab for the majority of participants. All the same, wealthier Americans that use the exchanges could find themselves in a bind. Among the states with the biggest 2016 premium hikes for popular low-cost “silver” plans, according to USA Today: Oklahoma rates are set to climb a whopping 42%; Tennessee is expecting a jump of 39%; and Minnesota, Colorado and Arizona, which should all see increases in the neighborhood of 25%. The higher rates aren’t being attributed to a single cause but instead are the result of several factors. After years of slowing growth, the cost of medical care recently resumed increasing at a quicker pace, in part because of new, pricier drugs. Some government subsidies designed to lure insurers into the Obamacare market when it launched in 2013 are now set to expire too. Finally, many insurers appear to have simply misjudged the costs of insuring Americans under the new program, and are now raising premiums to cover higher-than-expected outlays. Edited by PATruth, Jan 4 2017, 01:54 PM.
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"No. No he won't. We'll stop it." | |
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| Robertr2000 | Jan 4 2017, 01:54 PM Post #3 |
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Obamacare must die. |
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| 70-101 | Jan 4 2017, 01:58 PM Post #4 |
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And so will tens of thousands of others if they lose coverage. Obamacare is the GOP's Trojan Horse if they tamper, delay, or destroy it the party of the inept will pay dearly. |
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| PATruth | Jan 4 2017, 02:00 PM Post #5 |
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It's already on life support. The co-oops have almost all failed, the deductibles are absurd, it's a job killer, it's going to add trillions to the debt, it's EXTREMELY costly to enforce, it's cost the private sector countless billions in compliance costs and there are still tens of millions without coverage. The Cleveland Browns had a better year than ObamaCare. |
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| BuckFan | Jan 4 2017, 02:21 PM Post #6 |
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More lies from the Right Studies have shown it has not "killed jobs" - another lie from the Right It is not adding trillions to the debt - another lie from the Right - Now if the Repubs have their way and repeal all the revenue mandates but keep the coverage mandates it will add trillions |
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| George Aligator | Jan 4 2017, 03:13 PM Post #7 |
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The Obamacare brand has been condemned to death. What succeeds it is the critical issue. Apparently, neither Mr. Trump nor the congressional leaders want to abolish the Obamacare brand without a replacement. The GOP has been fiddling about with various replacement proposals for seven years and is still trying to get someting ready. Many Republicans have expressed hope that the Obamacare can be repealed with an effective date far enough into the future to allow the party to get its replacement ready to go. This OP argues that the uncertainty will do serious damage to the already shaky insurance market. Markets hate uncertainty and voters do not want to be stuck in WTF, waiting to see what will happen to their healthcare. The stakes are high on this one. The Republican Party has bet the farm on their claim that they can come up with a better plan that Obamacare. This should be quite doable as nobody thinks Obamacare is perfect. The GOP took major hits from its opposition to Social Security and Medicare when they were passed into law. If the party doesn't make good on its promise of a better deal, the political repercussions will be severe. Health is something voters care about and hundreds of billions of dollars are involved here. A strategy of tweet and retreat isn't going to do. |
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| Robertr2000 | Jan 4 2017, 05:20 PM Post #8 |
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Na... they'll still get care. But if not, it's not my problem. |
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| Robertr2000 | Jan 4 2017, 05:21 PM Post #9 |
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ObamaCare is failing. and that's got nothing to do with the "Right". |
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| BuckFan | Jan 4 2017, 05:26 PM Post #10 |
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Perfect example of what ails America ... we have become the "me" country. "it's not my problem" |
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| Robertr2000 | Jan 4 2017, 05:30 PM Post #11 |
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I can't speak for the country. But it serves me well. |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 4 2017, 06:03 PM Post #12 |
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All those who bitterly criticized Obamacare should not care, right ???...They may be free for awhile until Trumpcare kicks in ..............
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| George Aligator | Jan 4 2017, 06:07 PM Post #13 |
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ACA has its problems, no doubt about it. But it has also achieved some real advances. The heated partisan rhetoric doesn't do much for discussion of this very complicated government program built on the foundation of a large and very complicated private insurance industry which connects patients to the very large and complicated medical products and services industries. The intense partisanship gives rise to some dangerously misleading generalizations and over-simplifications. One such is the notion that without ACA or some equivalent program, poor and sick people will somehow be taken care of. This line is usually taken by citing emergency care and other entitlements. These claims are disingenuous and dangerous. Without the services provided by ACA, i.e. repeal with no replace, hundreds of thousands of Americans will die prematurely or unnecessarily and millions more will suffer. Many people do not realize that prior to WW II, the USA was far more socialized than most of the countries of Europe, including the UK. Europe overtook us on the road to socialism -- things like universal medical care, low cost college, substantial unemployment compensation etc. -- because the devastation caused by the fighting produced a need for reconstruction far beyond the capacity of market forces. Britain, for example, got National Health, nationalized transportation and utilities etc. Food rationing continued late into the 1940s. If partisan monkeying around with ACA produces the collapse of our already fragile medical services delivery system -- and we got ACA because the system was about to collapse and we had to prop it up with ACA -- we will experience a greater social crisis than any of us have experienced. Throwing 20,000,000 Americans off the insurance rolls will cause the collapse of insurance companies, the closure of tens of thousands of clinics, labs and hospitals, most of them in poor areas and red states. Such a sudden, scary blow will cause the greatest shakeup in over fifty years. When democracies get blown up that way, they always come down substantially left of where they were before. Just sayin' |
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| Robertr2000 | Jan 4 2017, 06:21 PM Post #14 |
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ACA is not affordable and is failing. |
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| Robert Stout | Jan 4 2017, 06:29 PM Post #15 |
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Most are destined to be disappointed....Gold plated health insurance only goes to those who pay high premiums....Many Americans think they are ENTITLED to have such insurance free of charge....It ain't going to happened unless we totally eliminate the Department of Defense and all our intelligence agencies....... :oyvey |
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| George Aligator | Jan 4 2017, 06:55 PM Post #16 |
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The cost of ACA is not really the issue politically. The USA spends twice as much per citizen on healthcare as the other advanced democracies, but this is not because of ACA. That disparity was true before ACA was proposed in 2008. ACA has slowed the rate of growth of healthcare costs but does not have the machinery to fully control them. Those mechanisms, negotiated prices for prescription drugs, the public option etc. were all taken out of ACA by the Republicans and their lobbyists as the price of passage. I know it is fun to wax wroth over ACA but the issue of medical care is too important to relegate to the partisan peanut gallery. Facts matter. They do not support your assertion. Sorry about that. |
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