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Republicans Are Courting Disaster on Health Care; http://www.urban.org/research/publication/implications-partial-repeal-aca-through-reconciliation
Topic Started: Jan 5 2017, 09:35 AM (765 Views)
George Aligator
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And so it begins. After six years of posturing and futile votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, Republicans in the Senate have started a process to erase the most important provisions of the health reform law with a simple majority. Millions of Americans are at risk of losing their coverage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/opinion/republicans-are-courting-disaster-on-health-care.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
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The study* cited by NYT (who can believe such liberal lies?) concludes that passage of the provisions in the reconciliation bill, even with a delayed implementation date will cause 956,000 people in Pennsylvania and one million each in Georgia and North Carolina could lose coverage. Nationally, 56 percent of those who would lose coverage are white, and 80 percent of adults who would lose insurance have less than a college degree. This would be a heavy blow for the core of Mr. Trump's voter base. Perhaps Mr. Trump will veto the repeal bill as Mr. Obama did? That would be interesting.

* Implications of Partial Repeal of the ACA through Reconciliation
http://www.urban.org/research/publication/implications-partial-repeal-aca-through-reconciliation
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edro14

GA you left out what the AMA has been saying about leaving the ACA alone.



http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/312576-doctors-group-warns-against-loss-of-coverage-from-obamacare-repeal
The country’s leading doctors group is urging Republicans to take steps to ensure that people do not lose their health insurance once ObamaCare is repealed.
The American Medical Association (AMA), wrote a letter to congressional leaders on Tuesday calling for the gains in coverage from ObamaCare, which has expanded insurance to 20 million people, to be preserved.  
“In considering opportunities to make coverage more affordable and accessible to all Americans, it is essential that gains in the number of Americans with health insurance coverage be maintained,” AMA CEO Dr. James Madara wrote leaders in both parties.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/AMA/43019

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by David Pittman
Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today
November 19, 2013

NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. -- The American Medical Association is standing by the Affordable Care Act despite its rocky start and many troubles.
The group's policy-making House of Delegates voted at its interim meeting Monday to defer on a resolution that would have the AMA recommend several changes to the 2010 health law.

The resolution -- entitled "Improving the Affordable Care Act" -- would have the AMA support replacing the ACA's individual mandate with a refundable tax credit to purchase individual health insurance, repealing the employer mandate, and allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines.
The motion, which would also repeal the many taxes, subsidies, and exemptions of the law, called for a minimum one-year delay in the ACA's implementation.
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edro14
Jan 5 2017, 09:55 AM
GA you left out what the AMA has been saying about leaving the ACA alone.



http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/312576-doctors-group-warns-against-loss-of-coverage-from-obamacare-repeal
The country’s leading doctors group is urging Republicans to take steps to ensure that people do not lose their health insurance once ObamaCare is repealed.
The American Medical Association (AMA), wrote a letter to congressional leaders on Tuesday calling for the gains in coverage from ObamaCare, which has expanded insurance to 20 million people, to be preserved.  
“In considering opportunities to make coverage more affordable and accessible to all Americans, it is essential that gains in the number of Americans with health insurance coverage be maintained,” AMA CEO Dr. James Madara wrote leaders in both parties.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/AMA/43019

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by David Pittman
Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today
November 19, 2013

NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. -- The American Medical Association is standing by the Affordable Care Act despite its rocky start and many troubles.
The group's policy-making House of Delegates voted at its interim meeting Monday to defer on a resolution that would have the AMA recommend several changes to the 2010 health law.

The resolution -- entitled "Improving the Affordable Care Act" -- would have the AMA support replacing the ACA's individual mandate with a refundable tax credit to purchase individual health insurance, repealing the employer mandate, and allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines.
The motion, which would also repeal the many taxes, subsidies, and exemptions of the law, called for a minimum one-year delay in the ACA's implementation.
I thank you for adding the input from the AMA to the thread. The AHA has similarly been studying the effect of the current GOP plan to gut ACA by reconciliation legislation and has predicted that hundreds of small to mid-size hospitals will be forced to close almost immediately.Declining reimbursements, growing regulatory burdens and shrinking rural populations that result in an older, sicker pool of patients all play a role. Repeal of ACA will make the situation worse -- and fast!

The most vulnerable hospitals are also located in rural and moderate-income areas, the heartland of those people who voted for Mr. Trump. Ryan and the hard right in the House may set off an avalanche before they can do anything to prevent it.

http://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/programs-projects/rural-health/rural-hospital-closures/
Edited by George Aligator, Jan 5 2017, 10:14 AM.
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edro14

It will take several years before any alternate health care legislation can be put into service.

Most republicans don't want to rock the boat., Even Trump is having second thoughts on the matter.
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https://www.law360.com/articles/877195/aca-replacement-details-needed-before-repeal-ama-says

Law360, New York (January 3, 2017, 8:07 PM EST) -- Congressional Republicans should release more details on an Affordable Care Act replacement in order to allow robust debate before they consider repealing the landmark law, the American Medical Association said Tuesday

In a letter to congressional leaders, the AMA joined a chorus of voices that have expressed varying degrees of concern with the idea of scrapping the ACA before a concrete replacement plan is developed. Many observers are worried that repeal without simultaneous replacement will cause major uncertainty and roil insurance markets, even if the effective...
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ObamaCare is a nationals disaster and an embarrassment. The GOP can sit back and wait for it to fully collapse or do something before it collapses. Outside of expanding Medicaid, a dubious achievement, the entire program is a failure. It's a bureaucratic mess, it's reduced competition, the deductibles make it unaffordable, the enrollment is slightly over half expectations, most of the major insurers are leaving and the premiums are going up dramatically.

In summary it was a partisan disaster, based on a mountain of lies that was poorly executed. The only reason too try to salvage this mess is to save Obama's failed legacy. There's no reason to punish the entire nation to save one failed president's legacy.

It's time for the adults to clean up.
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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Over the years I've discovered that complaining about a problem is easier than fixing it.
Without geometry, life is pointless.
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edro14

What conservatives have done best over the years is complain.
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Jan 5 2017, 10:30 AM
Over the years I've discovered that complaining about a problem is easier than fixing it.
Over the years I've discovered that when something is as bad as ObamaCare it's best to replace it than throw money at it. It's a full blown disaster based on a mountain of lies and it's only getting worse. The democrats have the same solution they always have, throw more money at it, when that doesn't work throw more money at it, when that doesn't work blame the GOP. Enough is enough, we are 20 trillion dollars in debt because of failed liberal programs, it's time to cut our losses.
Edited by PATruth, Jan 5 2017, 10:38 AM.
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Jan 5 2017, 10:33 AM
What conservatives have done best over the years is complain.
What democrats have done best is design horrendous social programs that function like Ponzi schemes and are bankrupting the country.

If you look at every single liberal program on a cost/benefit analysis you will find it's a complete fiscal disaster.

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Republicans are like bad mechanics who take things apart to see how they work, then are unable to make things work again.

So then they sue to put the blame on others for their own eff ups.
Edited by edro14, Jan 5 2017, 10:42 AM.
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Jan 5 2017, 10:42 AM
Republicans are like bad mechanics who take things apart to see how they work, then are unable to make things work again.

So then they sue to put the blame on others for their own eff ups.
Name one major liberal program that works well.....
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Jan 5 2017, 10:23 AM
ObamaCare is a nationals disaster and an embarrassment. The GOP can sit back and wait for it to fully collapse or do something before it collapses. Outside of expanding Medicaid, a dubious achievement, the entire program is a failure. It's a bureaucratic mess, it's reduced competition, the deductibles make it unaffordable, the enrollment is slightly over half expectations, most of the major insurers are leaving and the premiums are going up dramatically.

In summary it was a partisan disaster, based on a mountain of lies that was poorly executed. The only reason too try to salvage this mess is to save Obama's failed legacy. There's no reason to punish the entire nation to save one failed president's legacy.

It's time for the adults to clean up.
C'mon man....You know how Trump works...
Here's what will happen (for real)

Lots of smoke will get blown over the first two months. The ACA will be repealed with all of the provisions remaining in force. The NAME will be cancelled. OBAMACARE as such will be cancelled.
The provisions will remain.

Most of the provisions will be polished a bit and a brand new Trump Enterprises private plan will be unveiled, under some other name for sure...but still a Trump business product. A moneymaker for President Trumps "blind holdings" :biggrin:

You will still be able to keep the coverage you have. It's gonna have the Trump brand stamped over the Obama logo.

You will trumpet that same plan that you currently hate as the savior of free society (alleluia).
Edited by CautionaryTales, Jan 5 2017, 10:49 AM.


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It is my firm conviction that Republicans do not care about the harm they cause the American people. All they care about is not receiving the [i[blame[/i] for the harm that harm.

Expect non-stop attempts to blame Democrats for the impacts of the repeal process.
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Jan 5 2017, 10:45 AM
edro14
Jan 5 2017, 10:42 AM
Republicans are like bad mechanics who take things apart to see how they work, then are unable to make things work again.

So then they sue to put the blame on others for their own eff ups.
Name one major liberal program that works well.....
Name one liberal program that has not been effed up by republican meddling!
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Jan 5 2017, 10:47 AM
PATruth
Jan 5 2017, 10:23 AM
ObamaCare is a nationals disaster and an embarrassment. The GOP can sit back and wait for it to fully collapse or do something before it collapses. Outside of expanding Medicaid, a dubious achievement, the entire program is a failure. It's a bureaucratic mess, it's reduced competition, the deductibles make it unaffordable, the enrollment is slightly over half expectations, most of the major insurers are leaving and the premiums are going up dramatically.

In summary it was a partisan disaster, based on a mountain of lies that was poorly executed. The only reason too try to salvage this mess is to save Obama's failed legacy. There's no reason to punish the entire nation to save one failed president's legacy.

It's time for the adults to clean up.
C'mon man....You know how Trump works...
Here's what will happen (for real)

Lots of smoke will get blown over the first two months. The ACA will be repealed with all of the provisions remaining in force. The NAME will be cancelled. OBAMACARE as such will be cancelled.
The provisions will remain.

Most of the provisions will be polished a bit and a brand new Trump Enterprises private plan will be unveiled, under some other name for sure...but still a Trump business product. A moneymaker for President Trumps "blind holdings" :biggrin:

You will still be able to keep the coverage you have. It's gonna have the Trump brand stamped over the Obama logo.

You will trumpet that same plan that you currently hate as the savior of free society (alleluia).
Since Trump hasn't assumed office I'm willing to wait and see. We all know ObamaCare is failing, that is a fact. If it were up to the dems we would "fix it" by throwing an endless pile of cash at it. There are fewer and fewer insurers participating, it costs too much, the deductibles are too high and the enrollment is slightly above half the estimates.

If Trump was smart he would hire a major consulting firm, bring together doctors and insurers and devise a real plan. ObamaCare was a backdoor plan designed by politicians, not healthcare professionals.

What is the democrats plan to "save it"?
Edited by PATruth, Jan 5 2017, 10:58 AM.
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It would take the new congress over 4 years to implement even on small alteration of the ACA, as for repealing the entire ACA, it will take at least 10 years to take every enrollee off the books.
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Jan 5 2017, 10:37 AM
thoughtless
Jan 5 2017, 10:30 AM
Over the years I've discovered that complaining about a problem is easier than fixing it.
Over the years I've discovered that when something is as bad as ObamaCare it's best to replace it than throw money at it. It's a full blown disaster based on a mountain of lies and it's only getting worse. The democrats have the same solution they always have, throw more money at it, when that doesn't work throw more money at it, when that doesn't work blame the GOP. Enough is enough, we are 20 trillion dollars in debt because of failed liberal programs, it's time to cut our losses.
One has to wonder if the party of no solutions, will do better than the party of bad solutions.
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Jan 5 2017, 11:09 AM
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Jan 5 2017, 10:37 AM
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Jan 5 2017, 10:30 AM
Over the years I've discovered that complaining about a problem is easier than fixing it.
Over the years I've discovered that when something is as bad as ObamaCare it's best to replace it than throw money at it. It's a full blown disaster based on a mountain of lies and it's only getting worse. The democrats have the same solution they always have, throw more money at it, when that doesn't work throw more money at it, when that doesn't work blame the GOP. Enough is enough, we are 20 trillion dollars in debt because of failed liberal programs, it's time to cut our losses.
One has to wonder if the party of no solutions, will do better than the party of bad solutions.
That will be determined although the GOP has proposed multiple replacements that the dems have blocked. Who was going to sign the replacement? Obama? Come on, all Obama and the democrats care about Obama's legacy, not decent healthcare
Edited by PATruth, Jan 5 2017, 11:12 AM.
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