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Can someone please answer this
Topic Started: Jan 16 2017, 11:28 AM (2,776 Views)
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CautionaryTales
Jan 16 2017, 07:58 AM

By the way. On Friday, Trump will officially become in violation of the Constitution.


I have heard some tall orders since the left lost in November and this one is no different. But unlike the all the red scare Russian crap - this one should be easy to verify.

Since Cautionary Tales is obviously triggered when we ask for evidence I am throwing this out to everyone else.

So to those who believe it to be true - how will Trump be violating the constitution the moment he steps into office? legitimately asking.


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Edited by Coast2coast, Jan 16 2017, 05:49 PM.
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Dude just stop.
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Jan 16 2017, 11:41 AM
Dude just stop.
Nope.
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Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:02 PM
Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
Emoluments Clause, that's what I thought.

How specifically is the Trump hotel violating this clause? The lawyer said there is 'no question' - prior to saying 'whether those allegations can be proven or not'.

as opposed to copy pasting some links - please in your own words make a case for Trump breaking constitutional law the first day in office.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:15 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:02 PM
Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
Emoluments Clause, that's what I thought.

How specifically is the Trump hotel violating this clause? The lawyer said there is 'no question' - prior to saying 'whether those allegations can be proven or not'.

as opposed to copy pasting some links - please in your own words make a case for Trump breaking constitutional law the first day in office.
I think this goes way beyond the DC hotel and I think you know that. Willful ignorance isn't becoming of you.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:15 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:02 PM
Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
Emoluments Clause, that's what I thought.

How specifically is the Trump hotel violating this clause? The lawyer said there is 'no question' - prior to saying 'whether those allegations can be proven or not'.

as opposed to copy pasting some links - please in your own words make a case for Trump breaking constitutional law the first day in office.
So you're to lazy to do your own reading and therefore won't accept the answer I provided via a link? You're a clown.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:27 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:15 PM
truth2p0wer
Jan 16 2017, 12:02 PM
Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
Emoluments Clause, that's what I thought.

How specifically is the Trump hotel violating this clause? The lawyer said there is 'no question' - prior to saying 'whether those allegations can be proven or not'.

as opposed to copy pasting some links - please in your own words make a case for Trump breaking constitutional law the first day in office.
I think this goes way beyond the DC hotel and I think you know that. Willful ignorance isn't becoming of you.
I am not the one accusing Trump of violating the constitution - it is up to his accusers to support that allegation.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:31 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:15 PM
truth2p0wer
Jan 16 2017, 12:02 PM
Conflicts could have Trump violating the constitution on day 1 lawyers say

The article quotes Bush's ethics lawyer who believes Trump is more ethically challenged than Bush was.
Emoluments Clause, that's what I thought.

How specifically is the Trump hotel violating this clause? The lawyer said there is 'no question' - prior to saying 'whether those allegations can be proven or not'.

as opposed to copy pasting some links - please in your own words make a case for Trump breaking constitutional law the first day in office.
So you're to lazy to do your own reading and therefore won't accept the answer I provided via a link? You're a clown.
I skimmed it - once again when the author uses words like 'whether those allegations can be proven or not' indicates that evidence doesn't exists, rather this is a statement by Trump detractors regarding future hypothetical scenarios that they want to convict him for now.
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Here's another link lazy...

Federal Ethics Chief Blasts 'Meaningless' Trump Business Plan

Guess how congressional GOPers responded to this? They now want to investigate the OGE because what we need in DC is a neutered ethics watchdog.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:34 PM
Here's another link lazy...

Federal Ethics Chief Blasts 'Meaningless' Trump Business Plan

Guess how congressional GOPers responded to this? They now want to investigate the OGE because what we need in DC is a neutered ethics watchdog.

Careful - that is your second SYI on this thread. Not only is that bannable, but it also indicates that you are frustrated with your answer.

Just because the department of ethics chief thinks some future event is possible, doesn't make it prosecutable.

“We can’t risk the perception that government leaders would use their official positions for professional profit,” he said

and it certainly has nothing to do at all with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_of_Nobility_Clause and in that regards - the question presented on the thread remains open.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:44 PM
They may as well go to some legitimate function instead of being witness to a guy swearing an oath that causes him to be immediately illegal.


When will Cautionary Tales come to this thread and provide some insight to his claims?
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Jan 16 2017, 01:03 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:44 PM
They may as well go to some legitimate function instead of being witness to a guy swearing an oath that causes him to be immediately illegal.


When will Cautionary Tales come to this thread and provide some insight to his claims?
As soon as Media Matters writes it for him.....
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I already answered it in another thread.. whacked out libs are wrong.. as usual.. after this last election it is wise for right wingers not to believe anything the left says.. they lie more then Jimmy Carter has peanuts..



‘These People are Wrong!’: Trump Is NOT Violating Constitution’s Emoluments Clause, Lawyer Says

http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/these-people-are-wrong-trump-is-not-violating-constitutions-emoluments-clause-lawyer-says/





Should Trump have to sell his business assets? the answer is a clear NO!



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Trump= illegal.
What part of illegal don't you people understand?
Edited by CautionaryTales, Jan 16 2017, 01:33 PM.


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snip..

The Emoluments Clause in the U.S. Constitution specifically says, “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

Some legal experts believe if foreign leaders visit and choose to stay at one of Trump’s hotels like the one in Washington D.C., Trump benefits. Even if his children are running the show, money would still go to the President’s pockets. And while Trump may not be pushing foreign officials to stay at his hotel, a former Mexican ambassador has said that there will be a “temptation” for some to stay there just to tell Trump they’re at his hotel. The King of Bahrain has also decided to host a reception there. Therefore, these legal experts believe that scenarios like this could be in violation of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause.

“The so-called emoluments clause has never been interpreted to apply to fair value exchanges that have absolutely nothing to do with an office holder. No one would have thought, when the Constitution was written, that paying your hotel bill was an emolument instead it would have been considered a value for value exchange… not a gift.. not a title, not an emolument,” Dillon said. However, Dillon added — that even though Trump doesn’t have to– he is going to voluntarily donate all profits from foreign government payments made to his hotels to the United States Treasury. Dillon says she hopes this will put to bed any concerns over this issue.



Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 01:38 PM.
Killary, DNC, Obummer's DOJ and FBI all Lied and Spied and Good People Died!
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Jan 16 2017, 01:33 PM
Trump= illegal.
What part of illegal don't you people understand?
The part where you need to provide evidence.
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Jan 16 2017, 01:34 PM
snip..

The Emoluments Clause in the U.S. Constitution specifically says, “no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

Some legal experts believe if foreign leaders visit and choose to stay at one of Trump’s hotels like the one in Washington D.C., Trump benefits. Even if his children are running the show, money would still go to the President’s pockets. And while Trump may not be pushing foreign officials to stay at his hotel, a former Mexican ambassador has said that there will be a “temptation” for some to stay there just to tell Trump they’re at his hotel. The King of Bahrain has also decided to host a reception there. Therefore, these legal experts believe that scenarios like this could be in violation of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause.

“The so-called emoluments clause has never been interpreted to apply to fair value exchanges that have absolutely nothing to do with an office holder. No one would have thought, when the Constitution was written, that paying your hotel bill was an emolument instead it would have been considered a value for value exchange… not a gift.. not a title, not an emolument,” Dillon said. However, Dillon added — that even though Trump doesn’t have to– he is going to voluntarily donate all profits from foreign government payments made to his hotels to the United States Treasury. Dillon says she hopes this will put to bed any concerns over this issue.

Thanks Kato - as I suspected this is just another round of political witch hunt based on lofty allegations and hypotheticals.
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Someone will almost certainly be raising this issue via the courts, where it should go.
Of course we could always CHANGE THE LAW if we just wanted to justify this illegal posing as President.


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Jan 16 2017, 01:33 PM
Trump= illegal.
What part of illegal don't you people understand?
Now that's comedy satiric gold....

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