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Topic Started: Jan 16 2017, 11:28 AM (2,782 Views)
Katoblue
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yea eston they're trying to turn fair value exchanges into emoluments when it is not.. paying your hotel bill that you owe just like paying a dinner you eat.. or buying groceries at a store are all fair value exchanges..

Libs know nothing about the Constitution or business.. that's why they keep failing at both..






Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 01:44 PM.
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Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:41 PM
yea eston they're trying to turn fair value exchanges into emoluments when it is not.. paying your hotel bill that you owe just like paying a dinner you eat.. or buying groceries at a store are all fair value exchanges..

Libs know nothing about the Constitution or business.. that's why they keep failing at both..






There is no fair value in trade when permitting is sidestepped in foreign countries to appease the US President that wants his private company to build a high rise or a cow pasture pool course


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you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear..




Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 01:55 PM.
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Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.


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Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear.. sorry but you libs just can't cherry pick the constitution like you do the bible and get away with it..







Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 01:58 PM.
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Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:41 PM
yea eston they're trying to turn fair value exchanges into emoluments when it is not.. paying your hotel bill that you owe just like paying a dinner you eat.. or buying groceries at a store are all fair value exchanges..

Libs know nothing about the Constitution or business.. that's why they keep failing at both..






There is no fair value in trade when permitting is sidestepped in foreign countries to appease the US President that wants his private company to build a high rise or a cow pasture pool course
building a high rise or golf course is an emolument.. and Trump stopped all future foreign emoluments.. they are not fair value exchanges.. like paying your hotel bill, paying for gas at the gas station etc.. get a clue.. a foreign King staying Trump hotel is not illegal.. he has to pay his bill like everyone else

Trump will be sworn in and he will not be breaking the law.. get used to your new Potus.. we had to when insane Hussein was potus..





Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 02:11 PM.
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Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
Why does Kato have to support your claim?

CautionaryTales
Jan 16 2017, 07:58 AM

By the way. On Friday, Trump will officially become in violation of the Constitution.
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Libs suddenly concerned about the Constitution.....

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any business dealings with foreign players Trump had prior to running for office.. like payments on condo's they bought from Trump and real estate payments to Trump.. Trump went even further to donate those payments to Americans via the treasury.. when he really doesn't have to.. he did that so there would not be any problems while in office.. libs need to grow some brains..
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Jan 16 2017, 01:55 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear.. sorry but you libs just can't cherry pick the constitution like you do the bible and get away with it..







Think whatever you wish.
There isn't a whole lot of point in posting up a detailed explanation to you as you would refuse to read it. Just as you refuse to read the Constitution or any of the many posts you have tried to slobber all over the board.

It boils down to the idea that any elected official has to meet ethical standards that this incoming Illegal President refuses to meet.
It has been widely reviewed by experts well beyond your skills or mine and will become a very hot topic for as long as the Illegal President chooses to stay Illegal in his dealings.

He isn't Illegal just yet...just immoral and unfit, but at noon on
Friday he will be Illegal.

What part of Illegal do you not understand?


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Jan 16 2017, 02:28 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:55 PM
CautionaryTales
Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear.. sorry but you libs just can't cherry pick the constitution like you do the bible and get away with it..







Think whatever you wish.
There isn't a whole lot of point in posting up a detailed explanation to you as you would refuse to read it. Just as you refuse to read the Constitution or any of the many posts you have tried to slobber all over the board.

It boils down to the idea that any elected official has to meet ethical standards that this incoming Illegal President refuses to meet.
It has been widely reviewed by experts well beyond your skills or mine and will become a very hot topic for as long as the Illegal President chooses to stay Illegal in his dealings.

He isn't Illegal just yet...just immoral and unfit, but at noon on
Friday he will be Illegal.

What part of Illegal do you not understand?
define exactly what law Trump is breaking.. that you claim is illegal.. he isn't breaking any laws..

you keep parroting he is illegal.. in what way? be more descriptive.. and post the exact law you libs claim he is breaking..







Edited by Katoblue, Jan 16 2017, 02:34 PM.
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Jan 16 2017, 12:37 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 12:34 PM
Here's another link lazy...

Federal Ethics Chief Blasts 'Meaningless' Trump Business Plan

Guess how congressional GOPers responded to this? They now want to investigate the OGE because what we need in DC is a neutered ethics watchdog.

Careful - that is your second SYI on this thread. Not only is that bannable, but it also indicates that you are frustrated with your answer.

Just because the department of ethics chief thinks some future event is possible, doesn't make it prosecutable.

“We can’t risk the perception that government leaders would use their official positions for professional profit,” he said

and it certainly has nothing to do at all with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_of_Nobility_Clause and in that regards - the question presented on the thread remains open.
Not frustrated at all... just calling you exactly what you're acting like. You can cry to admins if you like, I'm not on here enough for ban to really matter to me.
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Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 02:33 PM
define exactly what law Trump is breaking.. that you claim is illegal.. he isn't breaking any laws..

you keep parroting he is illegal.. in what way? be more descriptive.. and post the exact law you libs claim he is breaking..







still waiting CT..
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Jan 16 2017, 02:28 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:55 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear.. sorry but you libs just can't cherry pick the constitution like you do the bible and get away with it..







Think whatever you wish.
There isn't a whole lot of point in posting up a detailed explanation to you as you would refuse to read it. Just as you refuse to read the Constitution or any of the many posts you have tried to slobber all over the board.

It boils down to the idea that any elected official has to meet ethical standards that this incoming Illegal President refuses to meet.
It has been widely reviewed by experts well beyond your skills or mine and will become a very hot topic for as long as the Illegal President chooses to stay Illegal in his dealings.

He isn't Illegal just yet...just immoral and unfit, but at noon on
Friday he will be Illegal.

What part of Illegal do you not understand?
What laws will Trump be breaking on Friday at noon?
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^^^eston and I are still waiting Ct for you to answer our question..
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Jan 16 2017, 01:39 PM
Someone will almost certainly be raising this issue via the courts, where it should go.
Of course we could always CHANGE THE LAW if we just wanted to justify this illegal posing as President.
What issue will "they" be raising in the courts? :dunno:
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You forgot one small group.

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wrong thread Grass..
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Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 02:33 PM
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Jan 16 2017, 02:28 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:55 PM
CautionaryTales
Jan 16 2017, 01:54 PM
Katoblue
Jan 16 2017, 01:53 PM
no reply to what are and what are not emoluments CT?
You have quoted the Constitution.
Read your own posts.
you still don't know what are and what are not emoluments CT.. your post makes that very clear.. sorry but you libs just can't cherry pick the constitution like you do the bible and get away with it..







Think whatever you wish.
There isn't a whole lot of point in posting up a detailed explanation to you as you would refuse to read it. Just as you refuse to read the Constitution or any of the many posts you have tried to slobber all over the board.

It boils down to the idea that any elected official has to meet ethical standards that this incoming Illegal President refuses to meet.
It has been widely reviewed by experts well beyond your skills or mine and will become a very hot topic for as long as the Illegal President chooses to stay Illegal in his dealings.

He isn't Illegal just yet...just immoral and unfit, but at noon on
Friday he will be Illegal.

What part of Illegal do you not understand?
define exactly what law Trump is breaking.. that you claim is illegal.. he isn't breaking any laws..

you keep parroting he is illegal.. in what way? be more descriptive.. and post the exact law you libs claim he is breaking..








There are a number of other sources of this same point, but for now there's this, from The Atlantic


The Emoluments Clause prohibits the president from accepting anything of value from a foreign government. The clause expressly prohibits both "presents [and] emoluments...of any kind whatever."


The Framers could not have been clearer: the president's claim that something was not a gift, but was earned through his business or other effort still does not allow him to accept it. It would blow a giant loophole in the clause in terms of the Framer's intent—preventing foreign sovereigns from corrupting American officials—to forbid presents but allow other things of potentially much greater value on the pretext (or actuality) that they were earned. Moreover, the Framers did not limit "emoluments" to cash or any other particular kind of thing of value. (Indeed, the root of emoliri is said to refer to the grinding done by a miller in exchange for a portion of the wheat or other payment.)



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/trump-could-be-in-violation-of-the-constitution-his-first-day-in-office/509810/


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These People are Wrong!’: Trump Is NOT Violating Constitution’s Emoluments Clause, Lawyer Says

http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/these-people-are-wrong-trump-is-not-violating-constitutions-emoluments-clause-lawyer-says/



Trump puts conflict-of-interest controversy to bed

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/313850-trump-puts-conflict-of-interest-controversy-to-bed


snip..

In a recent article for The Guardian (which I discussed in my previous column), Tribe wrote that, when he takes the presidential oath of office, Trump “will be committing a violation of constitutional magnitude,” because he will in violation of the Foreign Emoluments Clause.

Tribe says that the Clause covers “ordinary, fair market value” transactions. But that is not what the Clause says; if the drafters of the Constitution wanted to bar all ordinary, fair market value transactions with foreign agents, they could have said so. Instead, they barred the acceptance of an “emolument.”

Merriam-Webster defines “emolument” as follows: “the returns arising from office or employment usually in the form of compensation or perquisites”. The Oxford English Dictionary is almost identical: “Profit or gain arising from station, office, or employment.”

These definitions demonstrate, I believe that Dillon is correct and Tribe is incorrect about whether Trump will have committed “a violation of constitutional magnitude” when he takes his oath as president.

If an agent of a foreign state pays a Trump hotel for the use of a room, and some of that payment flows directly or indirectly to Trump while he is president, that payment most certainly does not arise from his office or employment as president, which is an essential part of the definition of “emolument.”

Rather, it arises from a fair market exchange—the guest is given the use of a room, the hotel is paid for that room—that had nothing to do with Trump being president.

Moreover, Trump has announced that, during his presidency, he will donate all income coming from foreign sources to the US Treasury. So, if the agent of a foreign state pays for a room in a Trump hotel outside the US, the part of that payment that flows to Trump will be turned over to the US Treasury.


Thus, even if it were somehow the case that, merely by taking the oath, Trump would run afoul of the Foreign Emoluments Clause (and I do not believe that is true), one would think that any alleged violation would be effectively cured by his decision to turn over all suspect income to the US Treasury.

“Emolument” is an interesting word, one that most of us do not run across in our everyday dealings. And it’s always nice to learn something about a fairly obscure provision in the Constitution.

But, regardless of the ferocity with which Trump’s ideological adversaries argue that his presidency will begin with a violation of the Foreign Emoluments Clause, it might be time to forget about that word and turn our attention to more serious matters.

David E. Weisberg is an attorney, and a member of the New York state bar. He has published pieces on the Social Science Research Network and in The Times of Israel.
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