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Trump's Deep Fear: "He Is Not a Legitimate President"
Topic Started: Jan 18 2017, 08:11 PM (1,483 Views)
La Pasionaria
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‘He Has This Deep Fear That He Is Not a Legitimate President’ http://politi.co/2iSv854

"On the eve of the inauguration, Trump’s biographers ponder his refusal to bend his ego to his new office."
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He isn't
un jour on se souviendra de ca comme on se souvient de ca
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montesquieu

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Feel free to start bitching about this for the next four to eight years!

In the meantime the really illegitimate one roams the speakers' circuit showing off how wonderful he was in terms of speech (not policy) making!
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Edited by montesquieu, Jan 18 2017, 11:33 PM.
Obama a 'has been'? No, he never 'was'!
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dr345
Jan 18 2017, 11:04 PM
He isn't
Well s**t.

Feel free to post your evidence then.

There is a thread on MFAB that is relevant to this claim. I am sure you can find it.
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Trump was raised by his parents rather than like some foster child....Parenting matters............. :tongue:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Jan 19 2017, 12:25 AM
Trump was raised by his parents rather than like some foster child....Parenting matters............. :tongue:
Wait till he sees how few people actually attended his inauguration: Photos: the crowd at Donald Trump’s inauguration vs. Barack Obama’s http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14332462/photos-crowd-trump-inauguration-vs-obama?

"Federal and local agencies have estimated that anywhere from 700,000 to 900,000 people will be in Washington, DC, today for Trump’s inauguration. That’s roughly half the number of people who attended Obama’s inauguration in 2009.

It’s also less than the turnout for Obama’s 2013 inauguration, which drew 1 million people."

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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estonianman
Jan 19 2017, 12:18 AM
dr345
Jan 18 2017, 11:04 PM
He isn't
Well s**t.

Feel free to post your evidence then.

There is a thread on MFAB that is relevant to this claim. I am sure you can find it.
*cough*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-president-wins-lose-popular-election-hillary-clinton-3-million-votes-russia-hacking-a7535701.html

The oompa loompa: 62,980,160
Shrillary: 65,845,063


Oh but I'm sorry, you folks on the right don't care about popular will/vote, just the EC system you despise but can get you into power. As it did in 2000.

:cheers:

So no, per the votes of the people, he isn't. But again, you'll excuse that I'm sure.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Popular vote is a non-issue.
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INAUGURATION FAIL: The numbers are coming in and Donald Trump has an unbelievably small crowd http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/19/1622502/-INAUGURATION-FAIL-The-numbers-are-coming-in-and-Donald-Trump-has-an-unbelievably-small-crowd
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lucash
Jan 20 2017, 06:28 PM
estonianman
Jan 19 2017, 12:18 AM
dr345
Jan 18 2017, 11:04 PM
He isn't
Well s**t.

Feel free to post your evidence then.

There is a thread on MFAB that is relevant to this claim. I am sure you can find it.
*cough*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-president-wins-lose-popular-election-hillary-clinton-3-million-votes-russia-hacking-a7535701.html

The oompa loompa: 62,980,160
Shrillary: 65,845,063


Oh but I'm sorry, you folks on the right don't care about popular will/vote, just the EC system you despise but can get you into power. As it did in 2000.

:cheers:

So no, per the votes of the people, he isn't. But again, you'll excuse that I'm sure.
How is any of this relevant to what I asked?
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wilmywood8455
Jan 20 2017, 06:30 PM
Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike. :cheers:
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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estonianman
Jan 20 2017, 07:40 PM
lucash
Jan 20 2017, 06:28 PM
estonianman
Jan 19 2017, 12:18 AM
dr345
Jan 18 2017, 11:04 PM
He isn't
Well s**t.

Feel free to post your evidence then.

There is a thread on MFAB that is relevant to this claim. I am sure you can find it.
*cough*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-president-wins-lose-popular-election-hillary-clinton-3-million-votes-russia-hacking-a7535701.html

The oompa loompa: 62,980,160
Shrillary: 65,845,063


Oh but I'm sorry, you folks on the right don't care about popular will/vote, just the EC system you despise but can get you into power. As it did in 2000.

:cheers:

So no, per the votes of the people, he isn't. But again, you'll excuse that I'm sure.
How is any of this relevant to what I asked?
You're talking about legitimacy right?

Have you been paying attention to the election...at all?
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:08 PM
wilmywood8455
Jan 20 2017, 06:30 PM
Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike. :cheers:
The popular vote is counted at the state level.
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lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:10 PM
estonianman
Jan 20 2017, 07:40 PM
lucash
Jan 20 2017, 06:28 PM
estonianman
Jan 19 2017, 12:18 AM
dr345
Jan 18 2017, 11:04 PM
He isn't
Well s**t.

Feel free to post your evidence then.

There is a thread on MFAB that is relevant to this claim. I am sure you can find it.
*cough*

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-president-wins-lose-popular-election-hillary-clinton-3-million-votes-russia-hacking-a7535701.html

The oompa loompa: 62,980,160
Shrillary: 65,845,063


Oh but I'm sorry, you folks on the right don't care about popular will/vote, just the EC system you despise but can get you into power. As it did in 2000.

:cheers:

So no, per the votes of the people, he isn't. But again, you'll excuse that I'm sure.
How is any of this relevant to what I asked?
You're talking about legitimacy right?

Have you been paying attention to the election...at all?
So Trump is illegitimate because he won according to the election rules.

That's a new one.
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estonianman
Jan 20 2017, 08:10 PM
lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:08 PM
wilmywood8455
Jan 20 2017, 06:30 PM
Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike. :cheers:
The popular vote is counted at the state level.
Thus the popular will does not matter. It is not and apparently has never been truly about what *we the people* want as president, just how the system can be gamed. People don't like you? More people cast votes for the other candidate than you? That's fine, just key in on a few states, lose the popular vote, but get just enough of the EC college to win.

Talk about flipping the bird to the whole point of elections, not to mention the will of the people. I mean really, come on man, don't bulls**t. Either you believe in one person, one vote deciding an election - or you're fine with a broken system.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cant think of any other civilized democracy/republic/etc. in the world where the popular/peoples' vote gets superseded by the system of the elites.

And I say this regardless of political party (mind you, i didnt vote for clinton - i wrote in sanders - so i didnt have a dog in the fight between the two main party candidates).

It seems to me our election system is broken and allows for autocratic turds to assume office merely by playing the ignorant and stupid.
Edited by lucash, Jan 20 2017, 08:19 PM.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:18 PM
Thus the popular will does not matter. It is not and apparently has never been truly about what *we the people* want as president, just how the system can be gamed. People don't like you? More people cast votes for the other candidate than you? That's fine, just key in on a few states, lose the popular vote, but get just enough of the EC college to win.

Yes it does - at the state level.

Talk about flipping the bird to the whole point of elections, not to mention the will of the people. I mean really, come on man, don't bulls**t. Either you believe in one person, one vote deciding an election - or you're fine with a broken system.

It is a system of states within a representative republic. In a broken system California decides every election.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cant think of any other civilized democracy/republic/etc. in the world where the popular/peoples' vote gets superseded by the system of the elites.

Direct democracies where majorities dominate minorities is not civilized, and the you are wrong - the US is a republic.

And I say this regardless of political party (mind you, i didnt vote for clinton - i wrote in sanders - so i didnt have a dog in the fight between the two main party candidates).

But you seem to be mad that Clinton lost, just sayin'

It seems to me our election system is broken and allows for autocratic turds to assume office merely by playing the ignorant and stupid.

Its broken for other reasons, but not the ones you stated or which is relevant to this conversation.
Edited by estonianman, Jan 20 2017, 08:25 PM.
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Jan 20 2017, 08:25 PM
lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:18 PM
Thus the popular will does not matter. It is not and apparently has never been truly about what *we the people* want as president, just how the system can be gamed. People don't like you? More people cast votes for the other candidate than you? That's fine, just key in on a few states, lose the popular vote, but get just enough of the EC college to win.

Yes it does - at the state level.

Talk about flipping the bird to the whole point of elections, not to mention the will of the people. I mean really, come on man, don't bulls**t. Either you believe in one person, one vote deciding an election - or you're fine with a broken system.

It is a system of states within a representative republic. In a broken system California decides every election.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I cant think of any other civilized democracy/republic/etc. in the world where the popular/peoples' vote gets superseded by the system of the elites.

Direct democracies where majorities dominate minorities is not civilized, and the you are wrong - the US is a republic.

And I say this regardless of political party (mind you, i didnt vote for clinton - i wrote in sanders - so i didnt have a dog in the fight between the two main party candidates).

But you seem to be mad that Clinton lost, just sayin'

It seems to me our election system is broken and allows for autocratic turds to assume office merely by playing the ignorant and stupid.

Its broken for other reasons, but not the ones you stated or which is relevant to this conversation.
1. And that is what I'm saying - it should also at the federal level.

2. Yet you can represent the will of the people through popular vote. I don't buy that it is impossible.

3. On the contrary - we can have the system of checks/balances with a direct democracy. Other nations do it without an electoral college.

4. Well, if I had my druthers it would not have been clinton challenging the oompa loompa. But, well, that's life.

5. What other reasons do you think?
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lucash
Jan 20 2017, 08:08 PM
wilmywood8455
Jan 20 2017, 06:30 PM
Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike.
Hillary won the popular vote in the 2008 Dem primary.... :dunno:
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Jan 20 2017, 08:30 PM
1. And that is what I'm saying - it should also at the federal level.

Why? America is a system of independent states.

2. Yet you can represent the will of the people through popular vote. I don't buy that it is impossible.

That already happens - at the state level.

3. On the contrary - we can have the system of checks/balances with a direct democracy. Other nations do it without an electoral college.

and? Once again how does California electing a marxist every 4 years solve anything?

4. Well, if I had my druthers it would not have been clinton challenging the oompa loompa. But, well, that's life.

Bernie would have lost hard. Socialism is a failed idea. He would have been crushed in the debates just by asking "how are you going to pay for that"

5. What other reasons do you think?

That goes way beyond the scope of this thread - but rampant electoral fraud and the welfare state for starters.
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Jan 20 2017, 08:08 PM
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Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike. :cheers:
Blow it out your gazzoz, little man. Continuing to whine about the outcome accomplishes nothing.

Amend the Constitution, then popular vote might be relevant. Or, continue to cry about the rules after the outcome of the game.

Pathetic.

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