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Trump's Deep Fear: "He Is Not a Legitimate President"
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Popular vote is a non-issue.
Of course - because DC doesn't give a damn about what the people want.

Thanks for playing Wilmy, but go take a hike.
Hillary won the popular vote in the 2008 Dem primary.... :dunno:
Right...she "won".........

Certainly explains why Obama got the nomination..... :popcorn:
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Welfare state? Meh, whether it is broken or not is to each their own. I agree we need more work on the system, but I've no problem with my money going to help people help themselves. I think the major thing is your and my mindset - I don't buy into the idea that people on welfare are "lazy", etc. etc. I accept the fact that you can have some bad apples in the system (as with anything), but that the majority are simply economically xxxxed and are trying to survive. I say that as having been one who had to rely on welfare for a few years due to the economic mess.


I was referring to the abuse of redistribution in order to attract voters. Its damn easy to get people to vote for you if you promise them a monetary benefit after they are elected.

In fact paying someone beforehand (bribery) to vote is illegal - whereas paying them after isn't. This breaks the voting system because some individuals become one issue voters and could care less about all the other moral hazards committed as long as they get their check on the 1st.
Indeed, but the problem with your 'rage against the machine', as it were, is that all parties do it. Whether it is in the promise of the redistribution of wealth directly (welfare, tax breaks, etc.), or the adjustments by way of policy and law, of the system in place, which in turn helps said groups of people they've promised.

So...it happens. I'd rather there be a system i place in case people need it.
I understand - the problem is there is an incentive to keep people on welfare as opposed to providing upward economic mobility.

As long as they continue to vote the same people in - they'll always get someone else's money.

I am not arguing against a social safety net here, that's for another thread. I am simply making the point that an unintended consequence of such a system is dependency in exchange for votes and as a result - the electoral system is corrupted.
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3. My friend, your point that one or two states may sway the election is kind of ironic. You do realize that this election wound up coming down to just a few states where the oompa loompa was able to swing them his way, and in turn win the EC. It's ironic. You're worried about one or two "left leaning" states deciding an election, and yet...in this very election the oompa loompa (your guy im assuming) swung the election by way of the EC, with just a few states. He wound up only needing to sway no more than around 100-150 thousand votes in key states and he wound up president.

That is true - however it is never the same states from election to election. That's the difference.

5. Rampant electoral fraud? Really? Despite the many investigations, etc. .and lack of any real massive problems? ...okay, if it is rampant, then please...provide evidence. Or if you want, provide the evidence in a thread and we can discuss it.

Why would there be investigations when this electoral fraud most likely assisted the prosecutors of the case? That said - check out O'Keefe's videos where Robert Creamer, Scott Foval and Ceaser Vargas admitted to electoral fraud on tape.


1. Uh, actually yeah it is usually. Hence the term swing states. This last election, if i recall correctly, wound up being an exception, but generally there are a handful of states that are 'the usual suspects', and toss in a state here or there that isn't normally a swing state..and there ya go.

2. See, there we have a disagreement. You don't trust the legal system to investigate/do their job. You're assuming that every tom, richard, and harry who investigate electoral fraud is going to be biased in favor of not finding anything. Now, I'm not saying lawyers or attorneys are unbiased, look at DC, but I think you're falling into the trap of confirmation bias.

Oh, and I don't trust O'Keefe. He's already shown he lies in a number of ways to suit his agenda. He's not a "truth teller", he is a propagandist - similar to Moore.

I don't know O'keefe either - in fact I just listen to the words of the DNC operative verbatim.
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Welfare state? Meh, whether it is broken or not is to each their own. I agree we need more work on the system, but I've no problem with my money going to help people help themselves. I think the major thing is your and my mindset - I don't buy into the idea that people on welfare are "lazy", etc. etc. I accept the fact that you can have some bad apples in the system (as with anything), but that the majority are simply economically xxxxed and are trying to survive. I say that as having been one who had to rely on welfare for a few years due to the economic mess.


I was referring to the abuse of redistribution in order to attract voters. Its damn easy to get people to vote for you if you promise them a monetary benefit after they are elected.

In fact paying someone beforehand (bribery) to vote is illegal - whereas paying them after isn't. This breaks the voting system because some individuals become one issue voters and could care less about all the other moral hazards committed as long as they get their check on the 1st.
Indeed, but the problem with your 'rage against the machine', as it were, is that all parties do it. Whether it is in the promise of the redistribution of wealth directly (welfare, tax breaks, etc.), or the adjustments by way of policy and law, of the system in place, which in turn helps said groups of people they've promised.

So...it happens. I'd rather there be a system i place in case people need it.
I understand - the problem is there is an incentive to keep people on welfare as opposed to providing upward economic mobility.

As long as they continue to vote the same people in - they'll always get someone else's money.

I am not arguing against a social safety net here, that's for another thread. I am simply making the point that an unintended consequence of such a system is dependency in exchange for votes and as a result - the electoral system is corrupted.
Fair enough, and I agree with you. However, all of what you mention (the potential for corruption and the acts involved in carrying out such) is going to be there no matter what. Politicians and parties are going to use and say whatever they can to sway the masses to vote for them, as the election of The Orange One indicates.

So really, what do you do? :dunno:
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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3. My friend, your point that one or two states may sway the election is kind of ironic. You do realize that this election wound up coming down to just a few states where the oompa loompa was able to swing them his way, and in turn win the EC. It's ironic. You're worried about one or two "left leaning" states deciding an election, and yet...in this very election the oompa loompa (your guy im assuming) swung the election by way of the EC, with just a few states. He wound up only needing to sway no more than around 100-150 thousand votes in key states and he wound up president.

That is true - however it is never the same states from election to election. That's the difference.

5. Rampant electoral fraud? Really? Despite the many investigations, etc. .and lack of any real massive problems? ...okay, if it is rampant, then please...provide evidence. Or if you want, provide the evidence in a thread and we can discuss it.

Why would there be investigations when this electoral fraud most likely assisted the prosecutors of the case? That said - check out O'Keefe's videos where Robert Creamer, Scott Foval and Ceaser Vargas admitted to electoral fraud on tape.


1. Uh, actually yeah it is usually. Hence the term swing states. This last election, if i recall correctly, wound up being an exception, but generally there are a handful of states that are 'the usual suspects', and toss in a state here or there that isn't normally a swing state..and there ya go.

2. See, there we have a disagreement. You don't trust the legal system to investigate/do their job. You're assuming that every tom, richard, and harry who investigate electoral fraud is going to be biased in favor of not finding anything. Now, I'm not saying lawyers or attorneys are unbiased, look at DC, but I think you're falling into the trap of confirmation bias.

Oh, and I don't trust O'Keefe. He's already shown he lies in a number of ways to suit his agenda. He's not a "truth teller", he is a propagandist - similar to Moore.

I don't know O'keefe either - in fact I just listen to the words of the DNC operative verbatim.
Take it from me - someone who has both studied and worked in the media field (pre/post production, etc.) - editing and context are key. If I had the right snippets of video, I could make someone come across as if they said whatever I wanted them to say too.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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3. My friend, your point that one or two states may sway the election is kind of ironic. You do realize that this election wound up coming down to just a few states where the oompa loompa was able to swing them his way, and in turn win the EC. It's ironic. You're worried about one or two "left leaning" states deciding an election, and yet...in this very election the oompa loompa (your guy im assuming) swung the election by way of the EC, with just a few states. He wound up only needing to sway no more than around 100-150 thousand votes in key states and he wound up president.

That is true - however it is never the same states from election to election. That's the difference.

5. Rampant electoral fraud? Really? Despite the many investigations, etc. .and lack of any real massive problems? ...okay, if it is rampant, then please...provide evidence. Or if you want, provide the evidence in a thread and we can discuss it.

Why would there be investigations when this electoral fraud most likely assisted the prosecutors of the case? That said - check out O'Keefe's videos where Robert Creamer, Scott Foval and Ceaser Vargas admitted to electoral fraud on tape.


1. Uh, actually yeah it is usually. Hence the term swing states. This last election, if i recall correctly, wound up being an exception, but generally there are a handful of states that are 'the usual suspects', and toss in a state here or there that isn't normally a swing state..and there ya go.

2. See, there we have a disagreement. You don't trust the legal system to investigate/do their job. You're assuming that every tom, richard, and harry who investigate electoral fraud is going to be biased in favor of not finding anything. Now, I'm not saying lawyers or attorneys are unbiased, look at DC, but I think you're falling into the trap of confirmation bias.

Oh, and I don't trust O'Keefe. He's already shown he lies in a number of ways to suit his agenda. He's not a "truth teller", he is a propagandist - similar to Moore.

I don't know O'keefe either - in fact I just listen to the words of the DNC operative verbatim.
Take it from me - someone who has both studied and worked in the media field (pre/post production, etc.) - editing and context are key. If I had the right snippets of video, I could make someone come across as if they said whatever I wanted them to say too.
Scott Foval is discussing moving voters across states to vote multiple times, verbatim.

Or the video on birdogging - where a woman is verbatim bragging about inciting violence at Trump rallies.

How did O'Keefe edit the video to produce this result? I am all eyes - legitimately asking.

By the way, all of these cretins were either fired or resigned after this video was released.
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Welfare state? Meh, whether it is broken or not is to each their own. I agree we need more work on the system, but I've no problem with my money going to help people help themselves. I think the major thing is your and my mindset - I don't buy into the idea that people on welfare are "lazy", etc. etc. I accept the fact that you can have some bad apples in the system (as with anything), but that the majority are simply economically xxxxed and are trying to survive. I say that as having been one who had to rely on welfare for a few years due to the economic mess.


I was referring to the abuse of redistribution in order to attract voters. Its damn easy to get people to vote for you if you promise them a monetary benefit after they are elected.

In fact paying someone beforehand (bribery) to vote is illegal - whereas paying them after isn't. This breaks the voting system because some individuals become one issue voters and could care less about all the other moral hazards committed as long as they get their check on the 1st.
Indeed, but the problem with your 'rage against the machine', as it were, is that all parties do it. Whether it is in the promise of the redistribution of wealth directly (welfare, tax breaks, etc.), or the adjustments by way of policy and law, of the system in place, which in turn helps said groups of people they've promised.

So...it happens. I'd rather there be a system i place in case people need it.
I understand - the problem is there is an incentive to keep people on welfare as opposed to providing upward economic mobility.

As long as they continue to vote the same people in - they'll always get someone else's money.

I am not arguing against a social safety net here, that's for another thread. I am simply making the point that an unintended consequence of such a system is dependency in exchange for votes and as a result - the electoral system is corrupted.
Fair enough, and I agree with you. However, all of what you mention (the potential for corruption and the acts involved in carrying out such) is going to be there no matter what. Politicians and parties are going to use and say whatever they can to sway the masses to vote for them, as the election of The Orange One indicates.

So really, what do you do? :dunno:
I actually think Trump is genuine in what he wants - whether he can achieve it is a different story.
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Edited by Alt Right PEPE, Jan 24 2017, 09:58 AM.
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Yup, hard at work building a fake news story out of thin air and alternative facts: Without evidence, Trump tells lawmakers 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote http://wpo.st/YrwT2

"Days after being sworn in, President Trump insisted to congressional leaders invited to a reception at the White House that he would have won the popular vote had it not been for millions of illegal votes, according to people familiar with the meeting.

Trump has repeatedly claimed, without evidence, that widespread voter fraud caused him to lose the popular vote to Hillary Clinton, even while he clinched the presidency with an electoral college victory.

Two people familiar with the meeting said Trump spent about 10 minutes at the start of the bipartisan gathering rehashing the campaign. He also told them that between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused him to lose the popular vote.

The discussion about Trump's election victory and his claim that he would have won the popular vote was confirmed by a third person familiar with the meeting."

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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepThat is true - however it is never the same states from election to election. That's the difference.

5. Rampant electoral fraud? Really? Despite the many investigations, etc. .and lack of any real massive problems? ...okay, if it is rampant, then please...provide evidence. Or if you want, provide the evidence in a thread and we can discuss it.

Why would there be investigations when this electoral fraud most likely assisted the prosecutors of the case? That said - check out O'Keefe's videos where Robert Creamer, Scott Foval and Ceaser Vargas admitted to electoral fraud on tape.
1. Uh, actually yeah it is usually. Hence the term swing states. This last election, if i recall correctly, wound up being an exception, but generally there are a handful of states that are 'the usual suspects', and toss in a state here or there that isn't normally a swing state..and there ya go.

2. See, there we have a disagreement. You don't trust the legal system to investigate/do their job. You're assuming that every tom, richard, and harry who investigate electoral fraud is going to be biased in favor of not finding anything. Now, I'm not saying lawyers or attorneys are unbiased, look at DC, but I think you're falling into the trap of confirmation bias.

Oh, and I don't trust O'Keefe. He's already shown he lies in a number of ways to suit his agenda. He's not a "truth teller", he is a propagandist - similar to Moore.

I don't know O'keefe either - in fact I just listen to the words of the DNC operative verbatim.
Take it from me - someone who has both studied and worked in the media field (pre/post production, etc.) - editing and context are key. If I had the right snippets of video, I could make someone come across as if they said whatever I wanted them to say too.
Scott Foval is discussing moving voters across states to vote multiple times, verbatim.

Or the video on birdogging - where a woman is verbatim bragging about inciting violence at Trump rallies.

How did O'Keefe edit the video to produce this result? I am all eyes - legitimately asking.

By the way, all of these cretins were either fired or resigned after this video was released.
Okay, to be fair, 50.5% of my take on this video is due to the OKeefe's history of editing, dramatizing, etc. etc., and the rest is from a 'casual' glance at iy, so I would have to set time aside to look at it closer before I could say I took an honest/fair look at it. *shrugs* It's the least I owe the man child. (Assuming I don't vomit while watching it...)

Edited by lucash, Jan 24 2017, 07:15 PM.
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Indeed, but the problem with your 'rage against the machine', as it were, is that all parties do it. Whether it is in the promise of the redistribution of wealth directly (welfare, tax breaks, etc.), or the adjustments by way of policy and law, of the system in place, which in turn helps said groups of people they've promised. <br /><br />So...it happens. I'd rather there be a system i place in case people need it.
I understand - the problem is there is an incentive to keep people on welfare as opposed to providing upward economic mobility. <br /><br />As long as they continue to vote the same people in - they'll always get someone else's money. <br /><br />I am not arguing against a social safety net here, that's for another thread. I am simply making the point that an unintended consequence of such a system is dependency in exchange for votes and as a result - the electoral system is corrupted.
Fair enough, and I agree with you. However, all of what you mention (the potential for corruption and the acts involved in carrying out such) is going to be there no matter what. Politicians and parties are going to use and say whatever they can to sway the masses to vote for them, as the election of The Orange One indicates. <br /><br />So really, what do you do? :dunno:
I actually think Trump is genuine in what he wants - whether he can achieve it is a different story.
Perhaps he is, but that doesn't mean what he wants is the right thing to do.
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Lot's of folks are hard at work, looking to expose Trumpy for the fraud that he is: The Guardian wants to help investigate Trump http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/24/1624451/-The-Guardian-wants-to-help-investigate-Trump
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Lot's of folks are hard at work, looking to expose Trumpy for the fraud that he is: The Guardian wants to help investigate Trump http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/24/1624451/-The-Guardian-wants-to-help-investigate-Trump
Nixon was one of the most peowerful and corrupt Presidents we have had. He won reelection because he used underhanded methods to sway the election.
But even after he won it was to be short lived.
The microscope is focusing on this guy that is pretending to be President. From the things I have seen there is a pretty good chance that he will have left some evidence up there that will catch up to him, just as Nixon did.

When that happens Congress had better stand up and do their job, or they will be accomplices to the guy.
Right now most of those that could hurt the guy are afraid to do a dam* thing, but it's not going to stay that way forever.


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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Yup rolling in wildly run away manner: Entire Senior State Department Just Resigned – Trump/Tillerson To Blame (DETAILS) http://bipartisan.report/2017/01/26/entire-senior-state-department-just-resigned-trumptillerson-to-blame-details/
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Our friends in the British Press are reportin' a possible 2nd dossier about compromisin' material against Trump.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4112512/Outrage-BBC-claims-SECOND-Russian-dirty-dossier-Trump-amid-claims-trying-derail-presidency-starts.html
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Jan 24 2017, 09:57 AM
Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Our friends in the British Press are reportin' a possible 2nd dossier about compromisin' material against Trump.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4112512/Outrage-BBC-claims-SECOND-Russian-dirty-dossier-Trump-amid-claims-trying-derail-presidency-starts.html
British friends ???....They invaded America, twice...After burning down the Whitehouse, this time they want to burn our current POTUS.................. :mad:
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Jan 24 2017, 09:57 AM
Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Yup rolling in wildly run away manner: Entire Senior State Department Just Resigned – Trump/Tillerson To Blame (DETAILS) http://bipartisan.report/2017/01/26/entire-senior-state-department-just-resigned-trumptillerson-to-blame-details/
An entire generation of liberal ivy league graduates have abandoned the State Department....Thanks Democrats, we would not have been able to do it without you...I'm sure the Trump administration will be able to fill those positions with appropriate candidates............... :rotflmao:
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Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Yup rolling in wildly run away manner: Entire Senior State Department Just Resigned – Trump/Tillerson To Blame (DETAILS) http://bipartisan.report/2017/01/26/entire-senior-state-department-just-resigned-trumptillerson-to-blame-details/
An entire generation of liberal ivy league graduates have abandoned the State Department....Thanks Democrats, we would not have been able to do it without you...I'm sure the Trump administration will be able to fill those positions with appropriate candidates............... :rotflmao:
Trumpy has more to fear than that: Graham launches investigation into Russian election interference http://hill.cm/9Vfaktx

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Jan 24 2017, 09:57 AM
Sure pal, Trump was already hard at work before being sworn in and on his first day, he showing epic leadership skills...

Sorry, but Donald has just rolled up his sleeves and can't be stopped once he starts.

The Trump Train is rolling!
Yup rolling in wildly run away manner: Entire Senior State Department Just Resigned – Trump/Tillerson To Blame (DETAILS) http://bipartisan.report/2017/01/26/entire-senior-state-department-just-resigned-trumptillerson-to-blame-details/
An entire generation of liberal ivy league graduates have abandoned the State Department....Thanks Democrats, we would not have been able to do it without you...I'm sure the Trump administration will be able to fill those positions with appropriate candidates............... :rotflmao:
Trumpy has more to fear than that: Graham launches investigation into Russian election interference http://hill.cm/9Vfaktx

:booboo: :booboo: :booboo: :booboo: :box:
This hearing will not uncover the truth, but it offers Graham some free TV coverage............. :oyvey
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