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A word about today
Topic Started: Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM (1,514 Views)
estonianman
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Yeah - because only now after 20 trillion in debt are we the attanomics utopia of Venezuela.

Two AM you're a good writer, but you are full of it.
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Obama opened trade relations with Cuba and left oil extraction alone, everything else that he did was either meant to fail or failed on its own.

he'll be in the bottom 5th tier as far as presidents go at best.
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Jan 20 2017, 04:24 PM
^^^Seriously.....watch this....
Liberalism is a mental disorder indeed...
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Jan 20 2017, 04:46 PM
Yeah - because only now after 20 trillion in debt are we the attanomics utopia of Venezuela.

Two AM you're a good writer, but you are full of it.
Agreed
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Jan 20 2017, 03:51 PM
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Jan 20 2017, 03:35 PM
That just may be the greatest .gif of all time!! :lol:
Won't be long before this becomes a gif and goes viral.....right up there with trigglypuff.....

[twitter=PrisonPlanet/status/822519771568738304]
Is that a male liberal or a female liberal? I'm not sure what happened, but I can't tell the difference between them anymore....
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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That just may be the greatest .gif of all time!! :lol:
Won't be long before this becomes a gif and goes viral.....right up there with trigglypuff.....

[twitter=PrisonPlanet/status/822519771568738304]
Is that a male liberal or a female liberal? I'm not sure what happened, but I can't tell the difference between them anymore....
What the hell is this? You tell me

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Glad Trump called out China unlike Obama. Also, did ya notice China was rattling their light saber several weeks ago. Now, they want to talk to the US. The new sheriff won't be a pushover like his predecessor.
Edited by Drudge X, Jan 20 2017, 06:01 PM.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Jan 20 2017, 02:35 PM
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Jan 20 2017, 02:17 PM
I agree with much of what my esteemed colleague Two am says. I too quit p.com and returned briefly for a few important words at this time. I too want to see everybody have access to healthcare, and I broke from my conservative tribe on this issue early on. I stand by that. However, the healthcare system is untenable. Unless you are a wealthy elitist, retired, or on welfare, Obamacare is making it impossible to live. Middle class Americans are now spending the vast majority of their paycheck either on taxes or insurance, and either way it goes to someone else's benefit. This is not American. When you work for someone else's benefit, this is called slavery. It is also not charitable. Charity is not compulsory. It smacks of my fundamental belief about Satan, which is that the power of evil in this world wants compulsory giving, destruction of free will, and slavery. This is what Obamacare in its current form achieves. I know people who are quitting their jobs and giving up on life because welfare is the better option. I believe that each person who accepts poverty and welfare is another arrow in the back of Lady Liberty. I hope President Trump and Congress works out something that saves each American thousands of dollars per month and gives all Americans the privilege of basic healthcare. This will require taking on the wiles of big corporations, which is one of the biggest problems in America. What Obama created is well intentioned but ultimately destructive and evil. I also agree with my esteemed colleague Demagogue that it is inappropriate to bash Obama today, so I do not intend this as an attack on his presidency. He has a lovely family and handled himself with dignity and honor today.
Obama care is not driving up the cost of health insurance, it's rate of growth is actually lower now than it was in the period before the law. The fact is health insurance premiums have been increasing at double digits for over 30 years now.

The only way this law increases costs is through market forces. Now that more people have coverage (access) and can use the system, demand is up. As we know from Econ 101 is that drives up prices until supply (providers) grows significantly enough to offset the pressure of demand.
Not true. Like I said, it's easy to agree with Obamacare when you are retired or on welfare, but productive people like me can't live. People are literally scraping by because of the Obacare tax. This isn't natural
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Jan 20 2017, 03:35 PM
That just may be the greatest .gif of all time!! :lol:
Won't be long before this becomes a gif and goes viral.....right up there with trigglypuff.....

[twitter=PrisonPlanet/status/822519771568738304]

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

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Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 07:30 PM

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

Libs are always blowing out something....

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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Jan 20 2017, 08:50 PM
Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 07:30 PM

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

Libs are always blowing out something....

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Eww...you've completely ruined Frosty for me now.

"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Jan 20 2017, 08:57 PM
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Jan 20 2017, 08:50 PM
Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 07:30 PM

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

Libs are always blowing out something....

Posted Image

Eww...you've completely ruined Frosty for me now.

Cause you preferred the front side?

Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 08:57 PM
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Jan 20 2017, 08:50 PM
Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 07:30 PM

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

Libs are always blowing out something....

Posted Image

Eww...you've completely ruined Frosty for me now.

Cause you preferred the front side?


Don't judge.

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Jan 20 2017, 12:47 PM
I for one, would like to see 2am back.
Agree. Buy in disguised as someone else. 3am perhaps? No one would suspect.
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Friends may come
And friends may go
Friends may peter out you know
But we'll be friends
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Peter out
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Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM
I break my self-imposed silence today because I promised myself eight years ago that, whether good or bad, I would give an honest assessment of Obama on his final day in office and give him whatever commentary was due. It is clear now that that commentary should be a simple note of thanks. He deserves it and so does his family.

I started out unsure of Obama. His lack of experience disturbed me. His naivete seemed boundless. His reverend seemed nutty. His supporters annoyed the crap out of me. 2008 was the sole year I ever seriously considered supporting a Republican for president.

And, over the years, Obama's youth and thin resume did prove a hindrance. His attempt to shutter Gitmo was ill-conceived. His reset with Russia was based on the same failed policy of endless NATO expansion. His abortive attempt at air strikes on Assad was amateur night. His health care plan was too timid and too much designed by Congress. Too often he tried to govern by consensus rather then use the bully pulpit in an era when we wanted a bully, not a constitutional law professor. That's one of the few things his successor may understand better than him. Moreover, Obama largely failed to build his party at the state and local level, often leaving the DNC to twist in the wind as he utilized his personal grassroots infrastructure. He leaves the Democrats in their worst position since the 1920s. Despite his oratorical command, Obama often failed to build a coherent narrative and - at his roots - failed to fully understand how leadership works on an emotional level.

Yet, however often I complained, the successes are just as impossible to ignore. Millions were insured by a fundamentally sound health care plan which even many Trump voters want repaired rather than repealed and which Trump himself may attempt to do. Obama's strategy in Libya was innovative and helped implement a successful multilateral military operation without a single casualty. He made the difficult choice to invade Pakistani airspace to kill bin Laden despite the real risk we'd come up empty. He negotiated an unpopular deal with Iran to hold back their nuke program because it was the right thing to do. He brought the deficit under control, reducing it sharply from the mess he inherited and he ushered in record low unemployment and a booming stock market. First and foremost, he preserved the American economy with a derided but ultimately fruitful stimulus plan. And he did all of it while fighting the most intransigent, recalcitrant and nasty Congress since the Civil War - people who were literally dedicated to seeing him fail and completely unafraid of damaging the nation in the process.

Obama, like any president, was a mix of the good and the bad. But I think the positive seems to have obviously outweighed the negative. Obama leaves office with the highest approval ratings since his first year in office in 2009. Perhaps our nation - and I - needed to be reminded of exactly how much we will miss the quiet competence and implicit trust of having someone in that office from either party that we can be confidently assured is doing what he feels is best for the country. That is obviously something we will sorely lack come noon today.

But, strange as it might seem for a successful presidency, Obama's eight years now end with melancholy overtones. He was a good president but he failed to be a great one because - bluntly - we are no longer a great country. In short, I'm sorry we couldn't provide him a better nation to be president of. His ebullience and optimism requires characteristics of citizenship we clearly no longer possess. I'm not just saying that because of the pile of human refuse who will be taking the oath of office in a matter of hours. Our disease runs deeper than that. Trump is symptomatic of a cancer on the electorate or - more to the point - a polity that is already dead and, truth be told, was probably already dead when Obama arrived in 2009. We merely kept it on life support for eight years with an honorable and reasonably smart fellow at the helm.

Now, we finally sink into the muck of mediocrity. I've said before that Trump is unprecedented. I was wrong. He has plenty of precedent. In fact, much of the world is run by Trumps. We haven't descended into abnormality. Rather, we've descended into normality. With Trump, we are now Russia or Turkey or Venezuela or Thailand. We are like the rest of the world and we have precisely the leadership that goes along with that title. What dies today - or perhaps died long ago - is American exceptionalism. Ironically, Mr. Obama - so often slandered as an opponent of that concept - may well prove its last exemplar.

And for that, I thank him. He ruled with grace, dignity and at least a dash of wisdom. He sacrificed eight years of his life in service to the nation. He gave of himself for his country and did so with honor, seriousness and a fundamental decency that left the optimistic inspired and left the jaded impressed. An awful lot of people are going to miss those things about Barack Obama and I - so often both his cynical opponent and his confident supporter - will be one of them. Thank you Mr. President for being who you were supposed to be. I regret that we are not the country we used to be, the country we once were, where great things were possible.

To Barack and Michelle and to Joe and Jill, thank you. Good luck and godspeed.
Hello, Two a.m.!

You wrote a lot that is to a point that it just seems more emotional than substantive.

On your profile page, you wrote, “Moderately liberal progressive right-wing libertarian conservative.”

That does not make sense.

Here is the No. 1 reason Democrats lose the kinds of elections that are actually winnable: they are corporate sellouts.

Everyone who voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton, when they could have voted the nomination to Bernie Sanders, voted for nominating a corporate sellout candidate.

Take good care!
Edited by Colors, Jan 22 2017, 04:52 AM.
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Jan 22 2017, 04:51 AM
Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM
I break my self-imposed silence today because I promised myself eight years ago that, whether good or bad, I would give an honest assessment of Obama on his final day in office and give him whatever commentary was due. It is clear now that that commentary should be a simple note of thanks. He deserves it and so does his family.

I started out unsure of Obama. His lack of experience disturbed me. His naivete seemed boundless. His reverend seemed nutty. His supporters annoyed the crap out of me. 2008 was the sole year I ever seriously considered supporting a Republican for president.

And, over the years, Obama's youth and thin resume did prove a hindrance. His attempt to shutter Gitmo was ill-conceived. His reset with Russia was based on the same failed policy of endless NATO expansion. His abortive attempt at air strikes on Assad was amateur night. His health care plan was too timid and too much designed by Congress. Too often he tried to govern by consensus rather then use the bully pulpit in an era when we wanted a bully, not a constitutional law professor. That's one of the few things his successor may understand better than him. Moreover, Obama largely failed to build his party at the state and local level, often leaving the DNC to twist in the wind as he utilized his personal grassroots infrastructure. He leaves the Democrats in their worst position since the 1920s. Despite his oratorical command, Obama often failed to build a coherent narrative and - at his roots - failed to fully understand how leadership works on an emotional level.

Yet, however often I complained, the successes are just as impossible to ignore. Millions were insured by a fundamentally sound health care plan which even many Trump voters want repaired rather than repealed and which Trump himself may attempt to do. Obama's strategy in Libya was innovative and helped implement a successful multilateral military operation without a single casualty. He made the difficult choice to invade Pakistani airspace to kill bin Laden despite the real risk we'd come up empty. He negotiated an unpopular deal with Iran to hold back their nuke program because it was the right thing to do. He brought the deficit under control, reducing it sharply from the mess he inherited and he ushered in record low unemployment and a booming stock market. First and foremost, he preserved the American economy with a derided but ultimately fruitful stimulus plan. And he did all of it while fighting the most intransigent, recalcitrant and nasty Congress since the Civil War - people who were literally dedicated to seeing him fail and completely unafraid of damaging the nation in the process.

Obama, like any president, was a mix of the good and the bad. But I think the positive seems to have obviously outweighed the negative. Obama leaves office with the highest approval ratings since his first year in office in 2009. Perhaps our nation - and I - needed to be reminded of exactly how much we will miss the quiet competence and implicit trust of having someone in that office from either party that we can be confidently assured is doing what he feels is best for the country. That is obviously something we will sorely lack come noon today.

But, strange as it might seem for a successful presidency, Obama's eight years now end with melancholy overtones. He was a good president but he failed to be a great one because - bluntly - we are no longer a great country. In short, I'm sorry we couldn't provide him a better nation to be president of. His ebullience and optimism requires characteristics of citizenship we clearly no longer possess. I'm not just saying that because of the pile of human refuse who will be taking the oath of office in a matter of hours. Our disease runs deeper than that. Trump is symptomatic of a cancer on the electorate or - more to the point - a polity that is already dead and, truth be told, was probably already dead when Obama arrived in 2009. We merely kept it on life support for eight years with an honorable and reasonably smart fellow at the helm.

Now, we finally sink into the muck of mediocrity. I've said before that Trump is unprecedented. I was wrong. He has plenty of precedent. In fact, much of the world is run by Trumps. We haven't descended into abnormality. Rather, we've descended into normality. With Trump, we are now Russia or Turkey or Venezuela or Thailand. We are like the rest of the world and we have precisely the leadership that goes along with that title. What dies today - or perhaps died long ago - is American exceptionalism. Ironically, Mr. Obama - so often slandered as an opponent of that concept - may well prove its last exemplar.

And for that, I thank him. He ruled with grace, dignity and at least a dash of wisdom. He sacrificed eight years of his life in service to the nation. He gave of himself for his country and did so with honor, seriousness and a fundamental decency that left the optimistic inspired and left the jaded impressed. An awful lot of people are going to miss those things about Barack Obama and I - so often both his cynical opponent and his confident supporter - will be one of them. Thank you Mr. President for being who you were supposed to be. I regret that we are not the country we used to be, the country we once were, where great things were possible.

To Barack and Michelle and to Joe and Jill, thank you. Good luck and godspeed.
Hello, Two a.m.!

You wrote a lot that is to a point that it just seems more emotional than substantive.

On your profile page, you wrote, “Moderately liberal progressive right-wing libertarian conservative.”

That does not make sense.

Here is the No. 1 reason Democrats lose the kinds of elections that are actually winnable: they are corporate sellouts.

Everyone who voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton, when they could have voted the nomination to Bernie Sanders, voted for nominating a corporate sellout candidate.

Take good care!
Hillary lost because she spent her entire campaign lying, cheating and trying manipulate the election behind the scenes.

Hillary tried to subvert democracy and it bit her in the ass.

She had everything behind her, including almost the entire media that was flying around with her - and she still had to cheat.

Hillary deserved to lose.

Whether you hate him or not Trump won the election the way elections are won - fairly and against all odds. He ran a fantastic campaign. SJW twats that are crying about it are butthurt losers and will lie all day long about russians, Barron mutilating animals, racism, windmill after windmill - instead of facing the reality which I outlined above. Brexit is happening and La Pen will win. As Cenk would say - they are gone and soon to be gone, gone.
Edited by estonianman, Jan 22 2017, 01:19 PM.
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Jan 20 2017, 09:56 PM
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Jan 20 2017, 08:57 PM
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Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 07:30 PM

Holy crap. I think that person's going to blow out their vocal cords.

Libs are always blowing out something....

Posted Image

Eww...you've completely ruined Frosty for me now.

Cause you preferred the front side?


Don't judge.

Not judging....would recommend staying out of the camera eye though....

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Jan 22 2017, 01:16 PM
Hillary lost because she spent her entire campaign lying, cheating and trying manipulate the election behind the scenes.

Hillary tried to subvert democracy and it bit her in the ass.

She had everything behind her, including almost the entire media that was flying around with her - and she still had to cheat.
Ironically, your slander of Clinton just described Trump's campaign pretty well. It was - by far - the most dishonest in modern American history and quite probably the most dishonest in all of American history. I don't think Trump cheated in the sense of changing vote totals (though I suppose nothing about him at this point would shock me). The election was definitely manipulated in his favor. Wikileaks, the Russian government and certain elements of the FBI were all working overtime on that one. The only question is whether Trump was directly involved in the manipulation. So far, I haven't seen evidence that he was but what was done still stinks to high heaven.

But ultimately, I don't like to dwell on Trumpian lies or the Russian manipulation - mainly because it excuses the real culprit - the American voter. We, the voters, didn't have to believe the fake DNC scandal. We didn't have to let Putin manipulate us. We didn't have to obsess over a comparatively minor dust-up over an email server while completely ignoring the massive, oozing, infected wound that comprises the ethical history of Donald Trump's life. We didn't have to let the press and social media memes create a false equivalency between a qualified politician and a total monster. We didn't have to idly throw our votes away on third parties or sit back and do nothing as the darkness of Trumpism descended upon the nation. We didn't have to do any of that.

But we did it anyway and Clinton's campaign died for our sins.

Probably just as well. As CT is fond of noting, every country has the form of government it deserves. That's certainly true in a democracy. Our lazy, gimmicky, self-centered, thin-skinned, ill-informed, easily distracted, celebrity-obsessed, anger-soaked voters are well-represented by the vacant-headed, rageoholic snake-oiler in the White House.

Hillary Clinton is a thoughtful, professional, issues-oriented leader for the world's greatest nation. In short, she's the ghost of America past.

Donald Trump is America today.

What America's future looks like, who knows?

President Kanye West maybe. A cabinet full of Kardashians might be interesting.

"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Hillary Clinton is a thoughtful, professional, issues-oriented leader for the world's greatest nation. In short, she's the ghost of America past.


The board has definitely missed your comedic missives....
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