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A word about today
Topic Started: Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM (1,511 Views)
CautionaryTales
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Robert Stout
Jan 22 2017, 10:55 PM
CautionaryTales
Jan 22 2017, 08:53 PM
grannyhawkins
Jan 22 2017, 08:16 PM
CautionaryTales
Jan 22 2017, 07:26 PM
grannyhawkins
Jan 22 2017, 07:23 PM
AM, you need to get yur meds checked stat!!! If you actually believe any of that drivel about the pantsuit, you should probably be committed!!!

The usurpin moozlum and the pantsuits campaign for the nomination against him, 9 years ago, says you are dead wrong and quite simply, imbecilic!!!
Imbecilic?
That thar is a pot callin the kettle black, I'm thinkin.
Hardly!!! You librawls are just too cowardly to admit what a piece of shat the pantsuit is and it ain't up for debate!!!
As low as you think she was, even if she were the low down gutter snake that you think she is...Trump is below her.
Let's see how great the next four years under the microscope treat the guy.

Let's start with his Russian business connections as an appetizer.
Do you want to start with Trump not owning anything in Russia ???...I concede he sold the Russian rights to Miss Universe in Russia....Are you Don Quixote fighting windmills ???................ :oyvey
Id like to see his connections.
Let's start with asking why he hides his tax return information.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
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CautionaryTales
Jan 23 2017, 11:28 AM
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Jan 22 2017, 10:55 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 08:16 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 07:26 PM

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Hardly!!! You librawls are just too cowardly to admit what a piece of shat the pantsuit is and it ain't up for debate!!!
As low as you think she was, even if she were the low down gutter snake that you think she is...Trump is below her.
Let's see how great the next four years under the microscope treat the guy.

Let's start with his Russian business connections as an appetizer.
Do you want to start with Trump not owning anything in Russia ???...I concede he sold the Russian rights to Miss Universe in Russia....Are you Don Quixote fighting windmills ???................ :oyvey
Id like to see his connections.
Let's start with asking why he hides his tax return information.
I believe Trump said he would release his tax returns after the Clinton's returned all that Russian bribe money? Can you give us an approximate date when the Clinton's plan to return all that ill-gotten money?
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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Jan 23 2017, 11:30 AM
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Jan 23 2017, 11:28 AM
Robert Stout
Jan 22 2017, 10:55 PM
CautionaryTales
Jan 22 2017, 08:53 PM
grannyhawkins
Jan 22 2017, 08:16 PM

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As low as you think she was, even if she were the low down gutter snake that you think she is...Trump is below her.
Let's see how great the next four years under the microscope treat the guy.

Let's start with his Russian business connections as an appetizer.
Do you want to start with Trump not owning anything in Russia ???...I concede he sold the Russian rights to Miss Universe in Russia....Are you Don Quixote fighting windmills ???................ :oyvey
Id like to see his connections.
Let's start with asking why he hides his tax return information.
I believe Trump said he would release his tax returns after the Clinton's returned all that Russian bribe money? Can you give us an approximate date when the Clinton's plan to return all that ill-gotten money?
Clinton isn't President.
Trump is.

Aside from that, if he said that it's a lie. (Alternative fact?)
Edited by CautionaryTales, Jan 23 2017, 11:34 AM.


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Jan 22 2017, 01:16 PM
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Jan 22 2017, 04:51 AM
Two a.m.
Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM
I break my self-imposed silence today because I promised myself eight years ago that, whether good or bad, I would give an honest assessment of Obama on his final day in office and give him whatever commentary was due. It is clear now that that commentary should be a simple note of thanks. He deserves it and so does his family.

I started out unsure of Obama. His lack of experience disturbed me. His naivete seemed boundless. His reverend seemed nutty. His supporters annoyed the crap out of me. 2008 was the sole year I ever seriously considered supporting a Republican for president.

And, over the years, Obama's youth and thin resume did prove a hindrance. His attempt to shutter Gitmo was ill-conceived. His reset with Russia was based on the same failed policy of endless NATO expansion. His abortive attempt at air strikes on Assad was amateur night. His health care plan was too timid and too much designed by Congress. Too often he tried to govern by consensus rather then use the bully pulpit in an era when we wanted a bully, not a constitutional law professor. That's one of the few things his successor may understand better than him. Moreover, Obama largely failed to build his party at the state and local level, often leaving the DNC to twist in the wind as he utilized his personal grassroots infrastructure. He leaves the Democrats in their worst position since the 1920s. Despite his oratorical command, Obama often failed to build a coherent narrative and - at his roots - failed to fully understand how leadership works on an emotional level.

Yet, however often I complained, the successes are just as impossible to ignore. Millions were insured by a fundamentally sound health care plan which even many Trump voters want repaired rather than repealed and which Trump himself may attempt to do. Obama's strategy in Libya was innovative and helped implement a successful multilateral military operation without a single casualty. He made the difficult choice to invade Pakistani airspace to kill bin Laden despite the real risk we'd come up empty. He negotiated an unpopular deal with Iran to hold back their nuke program because it was the right thing to do. He brought the deficit under control, reducing it sharply from the mess he inherited and he ushered in record low unemployment and a booming stock market. First and foremost, he preserved the American economy with a derided but ultimately fruitful stimulus plan. And he did all of it while fighting the most intransigent, recalcitrant and nasty Congress since the Civil War - people who were literally dedicated to seeing him fail and completely unafraid of damaging the nation in the process.

Obama, like any president, was a mix of the good and the bad. But I think the positive seems to have obviously outweighed the negative. Obama leaves office with the highest approval ratings since his first year in office in 2009. Perhaps our nation - and I - needed to be reminded of exactly how much we will miss the quiet competence and implicit trust of having someone in that office from either party that we can be confidently assured is doing what he feels is best for the country. That is obviously something we will sorely lack come noon today.

But, strange as it might seem for a successful presidency, Obama's eight years now end with melancholy overtones. He was a good president but he failed to be a great one because - bluntly - we are no longer a great country. In short, I'm sorry we couldn't provide him a better nation to be president of. His ebullience and optimism requires characteristics of citizenship we clearly no longer possess. I'm not just saying that because of the pile of human refuse who will be taking the oath of office in a matter of hours. Our disease runs deeper than that. Trump is symptomatic of a cancer on the electorate or - more to the point - a polity that is already dead and, truth be told, was probably already dead when Obama arrived in 2009. We merely kept it on life support for eight years with an honorable and reasonably smart fellow at the helm.

Now, we finally sink into the muck of mediocrity. I've said before that Trump is unprecedented. I was wrong. He has plenty of precedent. In fact, much of the world is run by Trumps. We haven't descended into abnormality. Rather, we've descended into normality. With Trump, we are now Russia or Turkey or Venezuela or Thailand. We are like the rest of the world and we have precisely the leadership that goes along with that title. What dies today - or perhaps died long ago - is American exceptionalism. Ironically, Mr. Obama - so often slandered as an opponent of that concept - may well prove its last exemplar.

And for that, I thank him. He ruled with grace, dignity and at least a dash of wisdom. He sacrificed eight years of his life in service to the nation. He gave of himself for his country and did so with honor, seriousness and a fundamental decency that left the optimistic inspired and left the jaded impressed. An awful lot of people are going to miss those things about Barack Obama and I - so often both his cynical opponent and his confident supporter - will be one of them. Thank you Mr. President for being who you were supposed to be. I regret that we are not the country we used to be, the country we once were, where great things were possible.

To Barack and Michelle and to Joe and Jill, thank you. Good luck and godspeed.
Hello, Two a.m.!

You wrote a lot that is to a point that it just seems more emotional than substantive.

On your profile page, you wrote, “Moderately liberal progressive right-wing libertarian conservative.”

That does not make sense.

Here is the No. 1 reason Democrats lose the kinds of elections that are actually winnable: they are corporate sellouts.

Everyone who voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Hillary Clinton, when they could have voted the nomination to Bernie Sanders, voted for nominating a corporate sellout candidate.

Take good care!
Hillary lost because she spent her entire campaign lying, cheating and trying manipulate the election behind the scenes.

Hillary tried to subvert democracy and it bit her in the ass.

She had everything behind her, including almost the entire media that was flying around with her - and she still had to cheat.

Hillary deserved to lose.

Whether you hate him or not Trump won the election the way elections are won - fairly and against all odds. He ran a fantastic campaign. SJW twats that are crying about it are butthurt losers and will lie all day long about russians, Barron mutilating animals, racism, windmill after windmill - instead of facing the reality which I outlined above. Brexit is happening and La Pen will win. As Cenk would say - they are gone and soon to be gone, gone.
I would apply two words: bold and uncommon.

• Bold: the primaries—in which Trump vanquished establishment opponents as dominant. He xxxxed with a lot of minds; threw people off their game; and, however felt, stood out as the big ass-kicker. It was particularly bold when he held President George W. Bush, the previous Republican Party president, accountable for getting the nation into war in Iraq—and did that right in front of brother Jeb Bush.

• Uncommon: the general—and this was mainly with how Trump won. He was dealing with needing to shift a 2012 Mitt Romney’s –3.86 percentage-points loss of the U.S. Popular Vote (it was 47.15% for Romney to 51.01% for Obama) by +3.87 points to win a Republican pickup on that count by a minimum +0.01. Trump shifted just 1.77 and lost on that count to Hillary by –2.09 percentage points (it was 45.95% for Trump to 48.04% for Hillary). With retaining all 24 states carried by Romney, for 206 electoral votes, Trump won this election through the Rust Belt by taking the 1.1M by which Obama carried the quartet of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and shifting them by +1.6 million, winning pickups of all four, to prevail by about +525k votes. Those four—combining for +64 electoral votes—gave Trump his 270. After that, you can add his Republican pickups of Florida, Iowa, and the 2nd Congressional District of Maine.

The last fantastic presidential campaign was in 1992 with Bill Clinton. That is terms of both the primaries and the general election with his unseating President George Bush. Clinton ran a very modern campaign—one which broke with tradition—with fantastic results: all 10 states, plus District of Columbia, which carried for a 1988 Michael Dukakis followed by Democratic pickups of 22 states, then adding up to +265 electoral votes, which also served much as a realigning of the electoral map.

By the way: I don’t discount Trump’s achievement with having won. It’s just that I cannot apply the word fantastic when he came up short with not winning over the U.S. Popular Vote. (Romney’s national margin loss was only –1.40 worse than 2004’s John Kerry. A 2008 Democratic pickup winner Barack Obama shifted that –2.46 by +9.72 for his pickup of +7.26 percentage points.) As for Hillary having lost—it was earned thanks to hubris. That hubris was her, the campaign, the DNC, the party establishment, media and even online blogger types who labored to get her nominated and elected, and then you can add her primaries voters who fell hook, line, and sinker.
Edited by Colors, Jan 25 2017, 07:40 AM.
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Kelly Ann is currently on PBS talking over the anchors trying to convince the public that Trumpy is not being fairly treated.

"We should all listen to America"

Funny but did they get the message of the Woman's March this past weekend?

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