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What do y'all think of this?
Topic Started: Jan 24 2017, 06:18 PM (1,378 Views)
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I landed dead square at the X-Y Axis intersect.

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ringotuna
Jan 25 2017, 12:30 PM
I landed dead square at the X-Y Axis intersect.

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Lol, did you answer neutral on all questions lol.

That is like hitting bingo or something. I don't know that I've seen a dead center before.
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Jan 25 2017, 12:35 PM
ringotuna
Jan 25 2017, 12:30 PM
I landed dead square at the X-Y Axis intersect.

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Lol, did you answer neutral on all questions lol.

That is like hitting bingo or something. I don't know that I've seen a dead center before.
Nope....did it without even trying. I didn't use the 'how strong do you feel' about it much. I had taken the other test a long time ago, and found myself 1 tick right and one tick authoritarian off the intersect. Oddly enough it does not seem to jibe well my own self-perception. I always considered myself more conservative.
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Jan 25 2017, 12:48 PM
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Lol, did you answer neutral on all questions lol.

That is like hitting bingo or something. I don't know that I've seen a dead center before.
Nope....did it without even trying. I didn't use the 'how strong do you feel' about it much. I had taken the other test a long time ago, and found myself 1 tick right and one tick authoritarian off the intersect. Oddly enough it does not seem to jibe well my own self-perception. I always considered myself more conservative.
Yeah, I was surprised that the political compass test put me in the center this time as I see myself really about where this test puts me, mid right economically slightly libertarian socially. I know a couple of my answers may have changed about the need to regulate businesses (banks are businesses) since 2006 lol. Not having the "neutral" as an option on that test is problematic because it forced me to answer either agree or disagree on a bunch of things that I really am neutral about.

For the youngsters who may read this, neutral is kind of like "meh".

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I've always leaned libertarian, but I was a lot more conservative when I was young (or perhaps conservatism was different back then).
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Jan 25 2017, 11:06 AM
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Jan 24 2017, 08:30 PM
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Jan 24 2017, 08:22 PM
Everybody has a bias. Even you.
Of course, I should have said someone with a more extreme bias as to suggest everything should be shifted one way or the other, likely due to a lack of ability to accept certain negative truths about their favored side.
Your left bias is almost certainly more extreme than my right bias so I do understand how you would disagree with my assessment.

If I had to guess then I would say the author of this graphic is someone very similar to Two a.m. but maybe a touch farther to the left politically. That would place them to the right of you on the political compass.

I would like to add to my assessment though. Infowars should be removed from the page entirely just as Addicting Info should they are two sides of the same nasty coin.
So your response boils down to "I know you are but what am I?"

Tell me what are my biases that make you state such a boldly mistaken opinion? Is it simply that I said your slip is showing or do you have comprehensive proof?
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Jan 24 2017, 06:18 PM
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As far as this chart, there were a number of criticisms from the partisans here on the accuracy of "left vs right", but did anybody have much trouble with the "sensationalism vs critical"?

I tend to agree with the vertical axis.
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Jan 25 2017, 11:20 AM
So, it has been a few years since I took this test and it is not my favorite of these but here is where I stand.


Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62
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By this test I am now a little more authoritarian and a little less conservative than I used to be. There is a better test out there and I will see if I can find it but this one works as a guideline.

dr345 and others who are curious, why don't you take the test and show us where you stand.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Based on this test, my perspective is not skewed too much so when I say that most of the organizations on the chart at the top of this page need to move a little left I am saying so from a dead center perspective lol.

I'll give it a go but based on some of the results and commentary, I am thinking people are not being honest or the test is inaccurate. I find it incredulous that enthusiastic Trump supporters are hitting low on the authoritarian scale. True Libertarians should hate Trump.
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Jan 25 2017, 03:55 PM
Demagogue
Jan 25 2017, 11:20 AM
So, it has been a few years since I took this test and it is not my favorite of these but here is where I stand.


Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62
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By this test I am now a little more authoritarian and a little less conservative than I used to be. There is a better test out there and I will see if I can find it but this one works as a guideline.

dr345 and others who are curious, why don't you take the test and show us where you stand.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Based on this test, my perspective is not skewed too much so when I say that most of the organizations on the chart at the top of this page need to move a little left I am saying so from a dead center perspective lol.

I'll give it a go but based on some of the results and commentary, I am thinking people are not being honest or the test is inaccurate. I find it incredulous that enthusiastic Trump supporters are hitting low on the authoritarian scale. True Libertarians should hate Trump.
I don't like Trump but I am certainly not a true libertarian or minarchist as some like to call them.

The only thing Trump had going for him was that he was not Hillary Clinton. I voted Kasich in the primary.

Incidentally, I think the second test is more accurate as to my political bias. I do not really consider myself to be a centrist, I consider myself center right economically with somewhat libertarian social views. I don't know about everyone else but I did my best to answer honestly. Two a.m. also appears to be right where I would expect him to be.
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Jan 25 2017, 03:54 PM
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Jan 24 2017, 06:18 PM
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As far as this chart, there were a number of criticisms from the partisans here on the accuracy of "left vs right", but did anybody have much trouble with the "sensationalism vs critical"?

I tend to agree with the vertical axis.
Yeah, I think they did pretty good on that axis. I agree with dcbl that CNN (regardless of how awful their election night coverage was) needs to move up a little. Most of the others are where they need to be. I have longstanding issues with Slate and I think they are given far too much credit here but they to tend to be more analytical even if it is a fairly hard left slanted analysis lol.
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Jan 25 2017, 03:58 PM
dr345
Jan 25 2017, 03:55 PM
Demagogue
Jan 25 2017, 11:20 AM
So, it has been a few years since I took this test and it is not my favorite of these but here is where I stand.


Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62
Posted Image

By this test I am now a little more authoritarian and a little less conservative than I used to be. There is a better test out there and I will see if I can find it but this one works as a guideline.

dr345 and others who are curious, why don't you take the test and show us where you stand.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Based on this test, my perspective is not skewed too much so when I say that most of the organizations on the chart at the top of this page need to move a little left I am saying so from a dead center perspective lol.

I'll give it a go but based on some of the results and commentary, I am thinking people are not being honest or the test is inaccurate. I find it incredulous that enthusiastic Trump supporters are hitting low on the authoritarian scale. True Libertarians should hate Trump.
I don't like Trump but I am certainly not a true libertarian or minarchist as some like to call them.

The only thing Trump had going for him was that he was not Hillary Clinton. I voted Kasich in the primary.

Incidentally, I think the second test is more accurate as to my political bias. I do not really consider myself to be a centrist, I consider myself center right economically with somewhat libertarian social views. I don't know about everyone else but I did my best to answer honestly. Two a.m. also appears to be right where I would expect him to be.
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Page 1

Agree

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.

Disagree

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it.

Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Strongly Agree

There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.



Page 2

Agree

Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.

Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.

Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care .

Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.

Disagree

It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.

Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold.

It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

The rich are too highly taxed.

A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.

The freer the market, the freer the people.

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea.

Strongly agree

People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.

Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.



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Agree

All authority should be questioned.

Good parents sometimes have to spank their children.

It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents.

Disagree

Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.

Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory.

The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs.

The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline.

There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures.

When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.

First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.

No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding.

Strongly agree

Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support.

Strongly disagree

All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind

People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.



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Agree

The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes.

It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals.

Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries.

Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity.

Disagree

A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.

Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried.

In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.

Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers.

Strongly agree

Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism.

Strongly disagree

Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.

In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation.

The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.



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Disagree

Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged.

Some people are naturally unlucky.

Strongly disagree

Astrology accurately explains many things.

You cannot be moral without being religious.

It is important that my child's school instills religious values.



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Agree

A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption.

Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population.

These days openness about sex has gone too far.

Disagree

Sex outside marriage is usually immoral.

No one can feel naturally homosexual.

Strongly agree

What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state.


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Jan 25 2017, 04:06 PM
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As far as this chart, there were a number of criticisms from the partisans here on the accuracy of "left vs right", but did anybody have much trouble with the "sensationalism vs critical"?

I tend to agree with the vertical axis.
Yeah, I think they did pretty good on that axis. I agree with dcbl that CNN (regardless of how awful their election night coverage was) needs to move up a little. Most of the others are where they need to be. I have longstanding issues with Slate and I think they are given far too much credit here but they to tend to be more analytical even if it is a fairly hard left slanted analysis lol.
Yeah, I actually think CNN is pretty neutral politically, and they have a lot of talent in their new department, but they always go for the sensational, and tend to invent a story on a slow news day.

I was in a coastal city that a hurricane missed once, but CNN had their satellite news trucks in place, and sort had the hurricane there anyway. If you can't trust them to report the weather honestly, then I not sure what you should trust them with.
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Not that accurate of a test. What does my thoughts on race superiority and civilizations have to do with determining my position on the chart? Why no gun questions?

If they would have asked if I believe in regulation I would agree, marking me more left and authoritarian. If the asked if I believe in the right to bare arms I would have agreed and been marked more conservative and libertarian. That is what I mean by inaccurate test.
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The chart seems to be in the ballpark with the exception of CNN. I would move them up and maybe sometimes slightly to the left.



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Jan 25 2017, 05:03 PM
Not that accurate of a test. What does my thoughts on race superiority and civilizations have to do with determining my position on the chart? Why no gun questions?

If they would have asked if I believe in regulation I would agree, marking me more left and authoritarian. If the asked if I believe in the right to bare arms I would have agreed and been marked more conservative and libertarian. That is what I mean by inaccurate test.
Try the second test. It will probably shift you to the right.

Regardless though, just using this test it gives us point for comparison. Based upon this test you are to the left of and more libertarian than I am.

It will be interesting to see if that holds true on the second test. I shifted to the right and down on that test because I was able to weight things that were important to me and choose neutral on things that simply did not matter to me.
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As far as this chart, there were a number of criticisms from the partisans here on the accuracy of "left vs right", but did anybody have much trouble with the "sensationalism vs critical"?

I tend to agree with the vertical axis.
Yeah, I think they did pretty good on that axis. I agree with dcbl that CNN (regardless of how awful their election night coverage was) needs to move up a little. Most of the others are where they need to be. I have longstanding issues with Slate and I think they are given far too much credit here but they to tend to be more analytical even if it is a fairly hard left slanted analysis lol.
Yeah, I actually think CNN is pretty neutral politically, and they have a lot of talent in their new department, but they always go for the sensational, and tend to invent a story on a slow news day.

I was in a coastal city that a hurricane missed once, but CNN had their satellite news trucks in place, and sort had the hurricane there anyway. If you can't trust them to report the weather honestly, then I not sure what you should trust them with.
I don't know if this scale shows a level of sensationalism that would accurately represent the hacks at the Weather Channel.

Your comment about the hurricane made me think of those guys. If it does not look bad enough they bring in props to make it worse lol.
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You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 6.47, Libertarian: 1.55
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