Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Perspectives. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
The National Park Service Won't Be Silenced; NPS employees have a message for the Trump Administration.
Topic Started: Jan 25 2017, 09:27 PM (1,132 Views)
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Drudge X
Jan 27 2017, 11:41 AM
Admit it, you belong with the Democrats. As Robert labeled you "liberal".
I admit I'm no Trump fan? Then again, that's not much of a secret..I'll also admit that Trump has been both a Democrat and now Republican in his life. I however have always been a center-right Republican...clearly you are unaware the GOP had liberal, moderate, and conservative wings until Reagan's revolution pushed us to the side for the most part.

You see, there is no "liberal" Party...maybe in Canada you're thinking, but both Parties here in the States had elements that would considered liberal or conservative in how a person views their philosophy.

As for a person having to resign because of remarks they've said..I don't think that's right, do I believe that a person willing to exercise that right, also need to understand there are consequences to one's actions...isn't that what personal responsibility is always been about, something we Republicans, including you by the way, have championed? Or are you selective in who has to be held above reproach?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

But getting back to your statement, at what point did you determine these men had no 1st Amendment rights?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Demagogue
Member Avatar
Administrator
I actually don't know that there is any proof that these alternate twitter accounts even belong to people who work for the park service. They could just be liberal activists stirring the pot.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Ever since the end of the Bush years, Tsal has been wondering what has happened to his party. The rapid shift from a globalist kürwille platform towards a platform of spontaneous emotion and community expression has him at a loss. Conservatives are still coldly rational and economically minded, but now he sees in the Democrat party an identity politics that speaks to him as a minority member and neoconservative. So he puts one foot on the bandwagon of triggered snowflakes, because he can't bring himself to accept to be in a party that fights for the coal miners and bread-winning nationalists.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Demagogue
Jan 27 2017, 12:07 PM
I actually don't know that there is any proof that these alternate twitter accounts even belong to people who work for the park service. They could just be liberal activists stirring the pot.
Let's not get all Machiavellian D..lol
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 12:08 PM
Ever since the end of the Bush years, Tsal has been wondering what has happened to his party. The rapid shift from a globalist kürwille platform towards a platform of spontaneous emotion and community expression has him at a loss. Conservatives are still coldly rational and economically minded, but now he sees in the Democrat party an identity politics that speaks to him as a minority member and neoconservative. So he puts one foot on the bandwagon of triggered snowflakes, because he can't bring himself to accept to be in a party that fights for the coal miners and bread-winning nationalists.
Oh, that's cute...cute..wrong, but cute...bread-winning nationalists...is that some codeword for white people? You talk about Democrats and identity politics, but simply put, Trump's demographic is the "angry white male" who feels left behind..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 12:12 PM
Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 12:08 PM
Ever since the end of the Bush years, Tsal has been wondering what has happened to his party. The rapid shift from a globalist kürwille platform towards a platform of spontaneous emotion and community expression has him at a loss. Conservatives are still coldly rational and economically minded, but now he sees in the Democrat party an identity politics that speaks to him as a minority member and neoconservative. So he puts one foot on the bandwagon of triggered snowflakes, because he can't bring himself to accept to be in a party that fights for the coal miners and bread-winning nationalists.
Oh, that's cute...cute..wrong, but cute...bread-winning nationalists...is that some codeword for white people? You talk about Democrats and identity politics, but simply put, Trump's demographic is the "angry white male" who feels left behind..
So you disagree with the terminology but otherwise I'm on point? I didn't mean that as an attack. I'm trying to understand what turned you against conservatives.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 12:38 PM
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 12:12 PM
Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 12:08 PM
Ever since the end of the Bush years, Tsal has been wondering what has happened to his party. The rapid shift from a globalist kürwille platform towards a platform of spontaneous emotion and community expression has him at a loss. Conservatives are still coldly rational and economically minded, but now he sees in the Democrat party an identity politics that speaks to him as a minority member and neoconservative. So he puts one foot on the bandwagon of triggered snowflakes, because he can't bring himself to accept to be in a party that fights for the coal miners and bread-winning nationalists.
Oh, that's cute...cute..wrong, but cute...bread-winning nationalists...is that some codeword for white people? You talk about Democrats and identity politics, but simply put, Trump's demographic is the "angry white male" who feels left behind..
So you disagree with the terminology but otherwise I'm on point? I didn't mean that as an attack. I'm trying to understand what turned you against conservatives.
Turned against Republicans or turned against conservative Republicans can you please be specific
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Just speak your mind. I'm listening. This topic is a good example of leftist hypocrisy--this crusade against fake news and turncoat government employees like Edward Snowden yet they demand that these employees be allowed to tweet petty fake news as long as it bashes President Trump. Do you agree this is hypocritical? Further, does this represent in your mind the right's turn toward an emotion-based community platform?
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 12:55 PM
Just speak your mind. I'm listening. This topic is a good example of leftist hypocrisy--this crusade against fake news and turncoat government employees like Edward Snowden yet they demand that these employees be allowed to tweet petty fake news as long as it bashes President Trump. Do you agree this is hypocritical? Further, does this represent in your mind the right's turn toward an emotion-based community platform?
I'm still waiting for you to tell me whether I turned against Republicans or members of the Conservative wing of the GOP?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Your animosity appears to be toward the conservative wing.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
clone
Member Avatar
Director @ Center for Advanced Memetic Warfare
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 08:21 AM
Dr. B
Jan 26 2017, 11:07 PM
As I proved on the other thread, the NYT photo is fake. It is taken before the full crowd arrived. It is unbecoming of federal employees to be spread fake hoaxes about a major patriotic event. They should be fired. I thought leftists were against fake news?
Fired for voicing an opinion and exercising their 1st Amendment Rights? At what point did you become a fascist?
Around the same time Brendan Eich did....

said ,....Jimmy the Greek
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:00 PM
Your animosity appears to be toward the conservative wing.
Valid point, not fond of the direction some of it's policies they've endorsed over the last 20 years no. Then again, I've never made any secret of that. It does not mean I'm a Democrat wolf in sheep's clothing, doesn't mean a lot of things.
Edited by Tsalagi, Jan 27 2017, 01:05 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 01:04 PM
Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:00 PM
Your animosity appears to be toward the conservative wing.
Valid point, not fond of the direction some of it's policies they've endorsed over the last 20 years no. It does not mean I'm a Democrat wolf in sheep's clothing, doesn't mean a lot of things.
Over the years I've seen various high profile people turn against the ruling wing of the Republican party, like Charles Johnson, and they either reconcile where it's gone or they turn into bitter angry people, like Charles Johnson. As I explained in my AMA thread, I approach the whole thing from a question of free will versus compulsion and from there explore the cause of rebellion. What it comes down to for me is does the Republican ideology enable our creative abilities, promote personal free agency, and the ability to excel through merit? This leftist double standard of federal employees promoting fake news tells me that the left is not about these things.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Robert Stout
Member Avatar

Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 01:04 PM
Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:00 PM
Your animosity appears to be toward the conservative wing.
Valid point, not fond of the direction some of it's policies they've endorsed over the last 20 years no. Then again, I've never made any secret of that. It does not mean I'm a Democrat wolf in sheep's clothing, doesn't mean a lot of things.
I have a similar problem....I am a registered Democrat...In Arizona I am viewed as a liberal...In California I am viewed as a fascist....I confess I have a problem with SJWs , wild eyed liberals, and the whore leadership of my Democratic Party...But please, don't call me a Republican............. :rollseyes:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
As for Trump, leftists still don't see what is happening. On the face of it, he is being petulant and egotistical with all this outrage about the inauguration crowd size, but I don't believe this is just an emotional reaction for him, because Trump's moves have always been cold and calculated. Trump understands that his war is against the media because the media is 100% pro-Socialist and against everything he stands for by its nature. He has been at full war against the media from the beginning. Bannon made this exceedingly clear the other day. This inauguration crowd size thing is Trump choosing the battlefield. He is William Wallace choosing the bridge at Falkirk.

The NYT photo comparison is false. I debunked it in 2 minutes and there is no denying my proof. Trump is jumping on this issue to discredit the mainstream media as a whole, using their own fake news narrative against them. Meanwhile, he is pushing through radical right-wing orders and the left is obsessed with a photo of the crowd. It provides a lovely red herring for the leftists, it sets the narrative, and it discredits them to anyone willing to invest 2 minutes into self-fact-checking. The only disadvantage is that it puts Trump on the defensive.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:24 PM
As for Trump, leftists still don't see what is happening. On the face of it, he is being petulant and egotistical with all this outrage about the inauguration crowd size, but I don't believe this is just an emotional reaction for him, because Trump's moves have always been cold and calculated. Trump understands that his war is against the media because the media is 100% pro-Socialist and against everything he stands for by its nature. He has been at full war against the media from the beginning. Bannon made this exceedingly clear the other day. This inauguration crowd size thing is Trump choosing the battlefield. He is William Wallace choosing the bridge at Falkirk.

The NYT photo comparison is false. I debunked it in 2 minutes and there is no denying my proof. Trump is jumping on this issue to discredit the mainstream media as a whole, using their own fake news narrative against them. Meanwhile, he is pushing through radical right-wing orders and the left is obsessed with a photo of the crowd. It provides a lovely red herring for the leftists, it sets the narrative, and it discredits them to anyone willing to invest 2 minutes into self-fact-checking. The only disadvantage is that it puts Trump on the defensive.
100% pro-socialist? When a good portion of the media is owned by conservative Australian Rupert Murdoch? The media follows what bleeds leads....Trump gives the more then ammunition to get viewers or subscribers. Labeling them as pro-socialist is merely a red herring from the fact that Trump is acting petulant and retaliating when his ego is assaulted.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Not true. If the media did follow what bleeds leads, the NFL wouldn't be turning away viewers by attacking white people and promoting feminism. The media is by nature pro-Socialist. This is because Socialists tend to be attracted to jobs in the media, because normal people can't make it in the media due to the grip-hold of intolerant Socialists in the media, and because a Socialist ideology is more conductive to advertising--and hence profits--than the number of viewers is.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tsalagi
Member Avatar

Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:33 PM
Not true. If the media did follow what bleeds leads, the NFL wouldn't be turning away viewers by attacking white people and promoting feminism. The media is by nature pro-Socialist. This is because Socialists tend to be attracted to jobs in the media, because normal people can't make it in the media due to the grip-hold of intolerant Socialists in the media, and because a Socialist ideology is more conductive to advertising--and hence profits--than the number of viewers is.
Randolph Hurst was a Socialist?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Dr. B
Member Avatar
Member since 2004
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 01:35 PM
Dr. B
Jan 27 2017, 01:33 PM
Not true. If the media did follow what bleeds leads, the NFL wouldn't be turning away viewers by attacking white people and promoting feminism. The media is by nature pro-Socialist. This is because Socialists tend to be attracted to jobs in the media, because normal people can't make it in the media due to the grip-hold of intolerant Socialists in the media, and because a Socialist ideology is more conductive to advertising--and hence profits--than the number of viewers is.
Randolph Hurst was a Socialist?
Hearst had some notion of love for American freedoms and the people of the time did not stand for Socialist propaganda. Things have greatly changed for the media. Hearst would not make it today.
#BringWilmyBack
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Op EDITORIALS: personal & political governance · Next Topic »
Add Reply