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Removing the illegals:Jobs for Americans
Topic Started: Jan 27 2017, 11:23 PM (1,462 Views)
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Jan 27 2017, 11:55 PM
I don't know why people need to come up with anything. You'd think an unknown person completely disrespecting a country enough to break into it would be enough. If anything, people who are actually upstanding that are trying to come here through the proper avenues should be one of the angriest.
They ARE. At least in my world. My green card and naturalized citizen friends (dozens of them) are among the most ardent opponents of illegal aliens. Most are independent businessmen in the construction business and they refuse to hire illegals.
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Jan 28 2017, 03:48 AM
I remember America before we had large numbers of illegal aliens....Ballots were not in Spanish, pressing two would not do anything on your phone, English as a second language was not available in school....Jobs in food service, construction, hotels, and health services paid better....Interpreters were not used in court....Criminals spoke English...You could be seen in a hospital emergency room within two hours...Cab drivers understood where you wanted to go...There was less public drunkenness....Street names were in English....Your 14 year old daughter would not be abducted for marriage....Entire extended families from Mexico did not suddenly materialize in a one bedroom apartment...People did not wear their native costumes from their homeland....Everyone wanted to be an American....Mariachi music would not reverberate in the neighborhood every Sunday at 2AM....

Life in America felt better before illegal aliens...You felt you didn't live in a third world country............. :dunno:


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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
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Jan 28 2017, 03:29 AM
Tsalagi
Jan 27 2017, 11:55 PM
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Jan 27 2017, 11:54 PM
I am only offering the other side of the coin. If illegal immigration is so beneficial, why won't Mexico allow illegal immigration to Mexico?
I am pretty sure I didn't ask for the other side, of the coin, I asked for the answer to my question and so far, the three of you have failed utterly to answer it, as long as you refuse to address my question, I will not be addressing yours.
You question is hypothetical and so is my answer. Now, can you point to some empirical study or non bias study showing that if we remove all illegal immigrants, Americans refused to do the work illegal immigrants are currently doing?

Cut welfare and entitlement programs are a good start to get the lazy ass citizens working.
Only the numbers I used were hypothetical, but the mindset like you, right-wing, h4T, and clone isn't. 2am is right, most blacks would rather pull their teeth out then to go back to work the kinds of jobs their ancestors did. To much bad imagery.

You think it's pure laziness that prevents all these Americans to flock to the restaurants, the sweat shops, the farms and working these kinds of jobs?
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Tsalagi this a different slant but in the same kinda question you posed.

Instead of illegal immigrants in the Agribusiness of getting the crops harvested in Australia there is an incentive scheme used to encourage backpackers to be "pickers".

The idea works. If the backpacker is under 30 years old he/she comes to OZ on a working/tourist visa and can stay here for a year if they can prove they can support themselves.
However if they offer to work in the agricultural field for 3 months then they are granted an extra year. The 3 months does not need to be in a row so there is some leniency and the young tourist can move around the country from farm to farm, ranch (station) to ranch (station).

If they overstay then there are consequences. Many would like to do this and if they return to their country and apply they will be given some preference due to their previous assistance and work.
But if they overstay and are caught they are deported and have a very difficult time trying to come back even just as tourists.
Edited by longbich, Jan 28 2017, 08:42 AM.
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Where I live in Central Texas, just about every business has a help wanted sign by the front door, and practically all of the really tough, backbreaking labor is done by illegals.

Everybody that wants a job has one, and most employers have a difficult time filling positions. The idea of making one of the biggest problems for businesses worse, doesn't set well with most business people.
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Jobs Americans Won't Do?

https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/jobs-americans-wont-do

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According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there are approximately 8.3 million illegal workers in the United States. Only 4% of illegal workers work in agriculture (Pew Hispanic Trust, Tables 5 & 6), where most laborers are foreign-born and employers have a legal guestworker program (the H-2a visa) to supply all the seasonal labor they need. Nationally, 25% (of 1.4 million) crop laborers are U.S. citizens; 21% are legal immigrant workers (including H-2a workers); and 53% are illegal workers (National Agricultural Workers Survey). In the midwest, 48% are citizens, 23% are legal permanent residents, and 29% are illegal workers.

THE MAJORITY OF ILLEGAL WORKERS HOLD SERVICE, CONSTRUCTION, AND MANUFACTURING JOBS

When people claim that these workers are taking jobs that Americans won't do, they ignore these statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (2009 averages):

77.7 percent of the 7.75 million workers in food preparation and serving jobs are native-born workers (does not include legal immigrant workers). It is harder to get a job at McDonalds than it is to get into Harvard.

65.8 percent of 5.38 million workers in cleaning and maintenance jobs are native-born workers (does not include legal immigrant workers)

74.5 percent of the 7.45 million workers in construction and extraction jobs are native-born workers (does not include legal immigrant workers)

75.9 percent of the 7.63 million workers in production jobs are native-born workers (does not include legal immigrant workers)

It is clear then, that these ARE jobs that Americans will do, if paid a fair wage.
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An 8 yr old study? Even by your own post, over half in this nation who pick your crops are illegals, and it doesn't account for native born 2nd gen children of illegal parents. But as I said, it's not just the agribusiness, it's as you correctly pointed out, service, construction, food industry.

I also never said that they wouldn't except that all I know come harvest time, it's not Betty Ann, Eric that I see hopping off a truck to pull in the harvest, it's Jose, Hector, Isobel
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Tsalagi
Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
I've worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the country for the last 10 years...

That aside, you think because a farmers margins might be slim that gives him the right to break the law?
Edited by Right-Wing, Jan 28 2017, 09:16 AM.
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Jan 28 2017, 09:14 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
I've worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the country for the last 10 years...

That aside, you think because a farmers margins might be slim that gives him the right to break the law?
Lose the farm, let the harvest rot, or hire illegals....which do you prefer. Of course, as kato and I said previously, that's not the only field of endeavor they work, Thoughtless lives in Texas, he'll tell you the same thing.
Edited by Tsalagi, Jan 28 2017, 09:20 AM.
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Big agribusinesses are netting millions and some are raking in billions using illegal labor. You don't think they could afford to pay a little bit more for labor? Or afford to buy American made harvesting equipment?
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Tsalagi
Jan 28 2017, 09:19 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 09:14 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
I've worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the country for the last 10 years...

That aside, you think because a farmers margins might be slim that gives him the right to break the law?
Lose the farm, let the harvest rot, or hire illegals....which do you prefer.
I prefer the country controlling its borders and if the farmer can't cut it without using illegal labor he should find a new profession
Edited by Right-Wing, Jan 28 2017, 09:22 AM.
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Jan 28 2017, 09:20 AM
Big agribusinesses are netting millions and some are raking in billions using illegal labor. You don't think they could afford to pay a little bit more for labor? Or afford to buy American made harvesting equipment?
It's not all corporate farms you know. But still your question is valid, but as you say, you have worked in agribusiness...you get a lot of call to do away with human workers?
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All businesses are trying to do away with human labor and that's all the more reason to put the brakes on immigration
Edited by Right-Wing, Jan 28 2017, 09:25 AM.
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Jan 28 2017, 09:21 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 09:19 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 09:14 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
I've worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the country for the last 10 years...

That aside, you think because a farmers margins might be slim that gives him the right to break the law?
Lose the farm, let the harvest rot, or hire illegals....which do you prefer.
I prefer the country controlling its borders and if the farmer can't cut it without using illegal labor he should find a new profession
Here's a thought, for decades we had a successful work visa system, how bout we make it easy for them to come here to do those jobs without a lot of regulations, isn't that what many of my colleagues say, get government off their backs and let the free market figure it out? That's what PA is always saying.
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Jan 28 2017, 09:27 AM
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Tsalagi
Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
I've worked for one of the largest agribusinesses in the country for the last 10 years...

That aside, you think because a farmers margins might be slim that gives him the right to break the law?
Lose the farm, let the harvest rot, or hire illegals....which do you prefer.
I prefer the country controlling its borders and if the farmer can't cut it without using illegal labor he should find a new profession
Here's a thought, for decades we had a successful work visa system, how bout we make it easy for them to come here to do those jobs without a lot of regulations, isn't that what many of my colleagues say, get government off their backs and let the free market figure it out? That's what PA is always saying.
I'd prefer they buy American made harvesting equipment thank you very much! Why are you so deadset on subsidising farmers with cheap foreign labor? Why dont you want that money to make its way into the hands of American workers?
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Lose the farm, let the harvest rot, or hire illegals....which do you prefer.
I prefer the country controlling its borders and if the farmer can't cut it without using illegal labor he should find a new profession
Here's a thought, for decades we had a successful work visa system, how bout we make it easy for them to come here to do those jobs without a lot of regulations, isn't that what many of my colleagues say, get government off their backs and let the free market figure it out? That's what PA is always saying.
I'd prefer they buy American made harvesting equipment thank you very much! Why are you so deadset on subsidising farmers with cheap foreign labor? Why dont you want that money to make its way into the hands of American workers?
And when the equipment breaks down, and they can't afford a new part or the diesel fuel to run it? They're what...screwed...you just indicated that an American family should fail, lose their house, their land , their livelihood rather then give a man an honest day's wages for an honest day's work just because he's not a machine or an American?

Always the big business like you that say it's so easy to just buy machines, not all can do that or even want to. I would miss sitting down to breakfast and hearing a Spanish guitar or the wives bringing omelettes, or the laugh of a good joke. The sense of family replaced by cold gears, and the smell of diesel..yeah....what an experience

But I diverge, we are concentrating to much on one field of endeavor...there are multiple occupations that are done by illegals.

I'd much rather give them a good work visa program that I can tax and bring in revenue. I'd rather they not have to hide their heads for fear of the policia or the federales.
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Tsalagi
Jan 28 2017, 09:10 AM
An 8 yr old study? Even by your own post, over half in this nation who pick your crops are illegals, and it doesn't account for native born 2nd gen children of illegal parents. But as I said, it's not just the agribusiness, it's as you correctly pointed out, service, construction, food industry.

I also never said that they wouldn't except that all I know come harvest time, it's not Betty Ann, Eric that I see hopping off a truck to pull in the harvest, it's Jose, Hector, Isobel
that was before Hussein's insane anti-business policies took effect.. but for the past 6 years it still has been illegals here in the states do take jobs Americans will do.. and it has also been a double whammy for Americans for MEXICO the country itself has also been stealing jobs Americans will do! that's the only reason some illegals have gone back to Mexico.. otherwise they'd all still be here.. to claim Mexico and illegals don't take American jobs from american workers is illogical and not factual.. I have to ask.. do you not keep up with world events?? :rollseyes:






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Jan 28 2017, 09:44 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 09:19 AM
I prefer the country controlling its borders and if the farmer can't cut it without using illegal labor he should find a new profession
Here's a thought, for decades we had a successful work visa system, how bout we make it easy for them to come here to do those jobs without a lot of regulations, isn't that what many of my colleagues say, get government off their backs and let the free market figure it out? That's what PA is always saying.
I'd prefer they buy American made harvesting equipment thank you very much! Why are you so deadset on subsidising farmers with cheap foreign labor? Why dont you want that money to make its way into the hands of American workers?
And when the equipment breaks down, and they can't afford a new part or the diesel fuel to run it? They're what...screwed...you just indicated that an American family should fail, lose their house, their land , their livelihood rather then give a man an honest day's wages for an honest day's work just because he's not a machine or an American?

Always the big business like you that say it's so easy to just buy machines, not all can do that or even want to. I would miss sitting down to breakfast and hearing a Spanish guitar or the wives bringing omelettes, or the laugh of a good joke. The sense of family replaced by cold gears, and the smell of diesel..yeah....what an experience

But I diverge, we are concentrating to much on one field of endeavor...there are multiple occupations that are done by illegals.

I'd much rather give them a good work visa program that I can tax and bring in revenue. I'd rather they not have to hide their heads for fear of the policia or the federales.
I'm more interested in seeing my fellow Americans employed and earning respectable wages than providing wealthy business and land owners with cheap foreign labor labor so they can further increase their already healthy profit margins.
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Jan 28 2017, 08:17 AM
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Jan 28 2017, 01:32 AM
Let them buy American made machinery to harvest their crops...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-20/robot-crop-pickers-limit-loss-of-u-s-farm-workers-to-trump-wall

So manufacturing and construction jobs back to Americans...any other silly questions?
You really don't have the first clue how much it costs to run an agribusiness do you, if you did, the fantasy of "Well, just buy machines to do it" would fall rather flat. Sometimes for many farmers, the profit margin is so slim, you'd be doing well to pay the taxes, the seed, diesel fuel, and keep enough to go on til the next harvest.
It would be preferable for these agribusinesses to fail and have their farms repossessed by the bank than to bring illegal aliens into the country.
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