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Family of Syrians Deported From Philadelphia Voted for Donald Trump; Haha
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Topic Started: Jan 31 2017, 05:34 PM (1,751 Views)
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How did someone with citizenship get deported?

The citizens were not sent home. Their non-citizen brothers and families were. - Quote:
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Assali and her husband, Dr. Ghassan Assali, who has a dentistry practice and received his degree from New York University, are originally from Syria but have been living in the United States for 20 years. Assali's two brothers, their wives and their two children initiated their immigration attempts in 2003 while living in Syria. In December 2016, they were approved to join Assali and her husband in Allentown after the couple bought and furnished a home for them.
I can see where the headline might confuse you though. See, this is a case where they should not have been sent back. These folks were in the air before the order was signed and had valid visas that they had been trying to get for years. Hopefully this can get cleared up quickly and they can return since it is rather obvious that the brother is doing what he can to make them not a burden to the state. It is fun to see our democrat friends s**t on some immigrants who did nothing wrong though. Why are they hating on these poor people? They hate them because their brother had the audacity to vote for someone other than Clinton. Nice.
13 years and they haven't applied for citizenship??? It would've taken my family about 4 years to do it the right way. Once we had a direct relative who was a citizen it took 2 and a half. My wife has helped at least half a dozen illegals pass their citizenship test working through the system....generally took about a year and a half....most of that time was getting their language and knowledge skill set up to the point where they could pass the citizenship test.... These people above were either lazy or had some other not so up and up reason for not taking care of this..... Yeah, you have to read closely, the people who were sent back have never lived in this country. Their brother lives here, is a citizen, and was trying help get the rest of his family out of a bad situation. They have been trying for 13 years to get visas so that they could legally immigrate.
These are people who followed the law.
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Feb 1 2017, 01:45 PM
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well. Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton.
Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration.
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Feb 1 2017, 02:01 PM
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I tend to think they were somewhat naïve. It's not uncommon these days, but are they undeserving of compassion for the sin of disagreeing with you? That seems to be the point everyone is trying to make here.
I could have predicted this. And they certainly should have been able to. I'm not some kind of genius or anything. An awful lot of people spent an awful lot of time trying to normalize Trump, trying to act like electing him was no big deal or wouldn't have consequences. I didn't agree with them and they ended up winning the election. I can accept that but damned if I'm going to feel sorry for them when the consequences of electing a loony xenophobic demagogue comes back to bite them in the rear. I don't hate these people nor do I think it is a sin for them to disagree with me but the result of what they were doing was plenty foreseeable. If they chose to believe some fairy tale instead, that's their prerogative but I saw no evidence to support their belief at the time and no reason to feel bad for them now - at least not any worse than I'd feel for a drunk driver who crashes his car. That's what happens when you make poor choices.
Be honest with us Two. You know very well that not everyone is as dialed in or consumed by politics as you. The fact that you 'saw it coming' in no way means they should have seen things as you do. Your expectations of them are the equivalent of judging a fish by how well it climbs a tree. (  Saw that on FB) And be honest with yourself. The raw and disturbing truth is they are deserving of their circumstances because they disagreed with your perceptions. Deep down you know that's true.
Let's just say the older I get, the less forgiving I become. Okay, so, I don't like their vote. I disagree with them. I'll grant you that. But I respect they did what they did and their right to do it. I've got very close friends who cast ballots for Trump. And if it has bad consequences for them, I'll probably feel bad for them because they are my friends and I know them. But whatever bitterness or coldheartedness I may be guilty of (and okay, there is some), there is also a deeper underlying reality to this story. You say they aren't as dialed in as me. But that's a problem because as citizens casting a ballot in an election they SHOULD be as dialed in as me. They may or may not make the same choices I do but it is their responsibility not to walk into a voting booth ignorant of what they are doing. You know as well as I do that far too many people wander into that booth and make superficial choices based on vague feelings induced by gauzy slogans "Yes, we can" "Make America great again" "Stronger together". And maybe that's why our politics are so messed up. Because people don't study the candidates or the issues and just cast ballots that go with this or that flow of the moment, we end up with crappy officeholders and even crappier campaigns. Even good candidates who really want to do good things for the nation have to basically dumb everything down into soundbites to appeal to people who are barely listening. And yet this stuff has consequences. Big ones. It's just like my earlier drunk driver example. Okay, maybe I can feel sorry for the guy who slams down a 12 pack, goes for a joyride and ends up wrecking his car. But there is also an element of responsibility here and - to be very honest - I'm getting very tired of being asked to feel sorry for people who keep poking themselves in the eye all the time. Maybe they deserve sympathy. None of us are perfect. But folks like this almost disgust me more than Harambe4Trump. They may be nicer people but at least Harambe knows where his own interests lie - and they are doing the same amount of damage with their vote as he is. But if you are right and expecting a voter to make an intelligent, informed and responsible choice is like judging a fish climbing a tree, then where exactly does that leave us on the concept of democracy? Certainly not anywhere encouraging. Are my expectations truly too high? So, okay, fine. I'll be a decent human and feel sorry for them. But I really wish they'd stop driving drunk at the voting booth after crashing both our cars. On any give day, you'd be sitting there defending any ignorance based vote for Hillary. You know I'm right.
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well.
Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton. Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration. I do care, but at the same time you have to recall that I have said that I expect Trump to thouroughly screw up. Across the board screw up. I think it will be the lesson that we need to understand that taking him less than heart attack serious was a huge mistake that can never happen again.
He's going to continue to hurt people. It's what he is. It is not some new part of him. He has left a trail of pain with business partners and contractors with zero remorse. He doesn't give a feck about anyone other than himself and his personal interests.
So..it's a lesson that has to be learned. and learned the hard way. Some people knew better and did their best at each turn to stop the guy. Those people deserve sympathy for their turn in the barrel, but those of you that did not do all you could to keep him out deserve to be scalded by the guy when he inevitably turns on you. When that happens, it'll be a case of either lesson learned, or a case of thank you sir, may I have another.
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Feb 1 2017, 02:11 PM
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period. I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end.
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it.
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well.
Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton. Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000/?utm_term=.2810fcc04767
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Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” — President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017
“Remember we’re talking about a universe of 109 people. There were 325,000 people that came into this country over a 24 hour period from another country. 109 of them were stopped for additional screening.” — White House press secretary Sean Spicer, press briefing, Jan. 30, 2017
President Trump and his aides love to cite a small number and a big number in order to minimize the impact of the president’s executive order suspending the visas of citizens of seven countries.
But these figures are incredibly misleading, so let’s go through the math.
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end. - Quote:
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it. Candidate Trump said that he was going to ban Muslims. I can go get you the quotes on that if you doubt me. But let's assume that you agree that's what he said when he was campaigning.
Now, upon entering office he issues an immigration ban that targets seven countries, all of which are majority Muslim and has offered exceptions for members of "persecuted religions", which in Muslim countries is going to be non-Muslims. So Muslims from these countries? Not welcome. Non-Muslims from these countries? You guys are fine, come on in.
And on the one hand Trump supporters claim that Trump has done exactly what he said he would do (remember, he said he would ban Muslims) while on the other hand claiming that this is not a ban on Muslims.
Which seems an awful like:
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end. - Quote:
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it.
Candidate Trump said that he was going to ban Muslims. I can go get you the quotes on that if you doubt me. But let's assume that you agree that's what he said when he was campaigning. Now, upon entering office he issues an immigration ban that targets seven countries, all of which are majority Muslim and has offered exceptions for members of "persecuted religions", which in Muslim countries is going to be non-Muslims. So Muslims from these countries? Not welcome. Non-Muslims from these countries? You guys are fine, come on in. And on the one hand Trump supporters claim that Trump has done exactly what he said he would do (remember, he said he would ban Muslims) while on the other hand claiming that this is not a ban on Muslims. Which seems an awful like: Yabbut....
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end. - Quote:
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it.
Candidate Trump said that he was going to ban Muslims. I can go get you the quotes on that if you doubt me. But let's assume that you agree that's what he said when he was campaigning. Now, upon entering office he issues an immigration ban that targets seven countries, all of which are majority Muslim and has offered exceptions for members of "persecuted religions", which in Muslim countries is going to be non-Muslims. So Muslims from these countries? Not welcome. Non-Muslims from these countries? You guys are fine, come on in. And on the one hand Trump supporters claim that Trump has done exactly what he said he would do (remember, he said he would ban Muslims) while on the other hand claiming that this is not a ban on Muslims. Which seems an awful like:  Go get em. Let's talk about it. Prepare your case and we'll discuss it when I get back.
Keep in mind however that you're not going to goad me into defending Trump. I'm not exactly thrilled with this EO, but I'll judge it on it's merits, not lefty hyperbole.
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What happened to them is the result of an Obama administration and their ridiculous immigration policies. They should have gotten their citizenship long ago, correct?
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Yeah, no sympathy from me. Eff them. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. Liberals hate Christian Syrians............... :oyvey
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Yeah, no sympathy from me. Eff them. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Liberals hate Christian Syrians............... :oyvey Are they Christians? That looks like a crucifix around the man's neck.
This would explain why Obama dragged them through the mud for so many years. Anyone not radical Islamic or crazy leftist is an enemy to Obama.
But I am confident President Trump will make this situation right, and fix Obama's broken immigration system. It is terrible to see the hateful rage aimed towards these good innocent folks. Truly shocking.
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end. - Quote:
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it. Then he probably should have never SAID IT WAS A MUSLIM BAN in the first place
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Yeah, no sympathy from me. Eff them. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Liberals hate Christian Syrians............... :oyvey
Are they Christians? That looks like a crucifix around the man's neck. This would explain why Obama dragged them through the mud for so many years. Anyone not radical Islamic or crazy leftist is an enemy to Obama. But I am confident President Trump will make this situation right, and fix Obama's broken immigration system. It is terrible to see the hateful rage aimed towards these good innocent folks. Truly shocking. The article says it is a Christian Syrian family...That they were blocked from entry only proves that Trump is not discriminating against Muslims....That they were trying to gain refugee entry so long only proves that Obama hates Christians............
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I tend to think they were somewhat naïve. It's not uncommon these days, but are they undeserving of compassion for the sin of disagreeing with you? That seems to be the point everyone is trying to make here.
I could have predicted this. And they certainly should have been able to. I'm not some kind of genius or anything. An awful lot of people spent an awful lot of time trying to normalize Trump, trying to act like electing him was no big deal or wouldn't have consequences. I didn't agree with them and they ended up winning the election. I can accept that but damned if I'm going to feel sorry for them when the consequences of electing a loony xenophobic demagogue comes back to bite them in the rear. I don't hate these people nor do I think it is a sin for them to disagree with me but the result of what they were doing was plenty foreseeable. If they chose to believe some fairy tale instead, that's their prerogative but I saw no evidence to support their belief at the time and no reason to feel bad for them now - at least not any worse than I'd feel for a drunk driver who crashes his car. That's what happens when you make poor choices.
Be honest with us Two. You know very well that not everyone is as dialed in or consumed by politics as you. The fact that you 'saw it coming' in no way means they should have seen things as you do. Your expectations of them are the equivalent of judging a fish by how well it climbs a tree. (  Saw that on FB) And be honest with yourself. The raw and disturbing truth is they are deserving of their circumstances because they disagreed with your perceptions. Deep down you know that's true.
Let's just say the older I get, the less forgiving I become. Okay, so, I don't like their vote. I disagree with them. I'll grant you that. But I respect they did what they did and their right to do it. I've got very close friends who cast ballots for Trump. And if it has bad consequences for them, I'll probably feel bad for them because they are my friends and I know them. But whatever bitterness or coldheartedness I may be guilty of (and okay, there is some), there is also a deeper underlying reality to this story. You say they aren't as dialed in as me. But that's a problem because as citizens casting a ballot in an election they SHOULD be as dialed in as me. They may or may not make the same choices I do but it is their responsibility not to walk into a voting booth ignorant of what they are doing. You know as well as I do that far too many people wander into that booth and make superficial choices based on vague feelings induced by gauzy slogans "Yes, we can" "Make America great again" "Stronger together". And maybe that's why our politics are so messed up. Because people don't study the candidates or the issues and just cast ballots that go with this or that flow of the moment, we end up with crappy officeholders and even crappier campaigns. Even good candidates who really want to do good things for the nation have to basically dumb everything down into soundbites to appeal to people who are barely listening. And yet this stuff has consequences. Big ones. It's just like my earlier drunk driver example. Okay, maybe I can feel sorry for the guy who slams down a 12 pack, goes for a joyride and ends up wrecking his car. But there is also an element of responsibility here and - to be very honest - I'm getting very tired of being asked to feel sorry for people who keep poking themselves in the eye all the time. Maybe they deserve sympathy. None of us are perfect. But folks like this almost disgust me more than Harambe4Trump. They may be nicer people but at least Harambe knows where his own interests lie - and they are doing the same amount of damage with their vote as he is. But if you are right and expecting a voter to make an intelligent, informed and responsible choice is like judging a fish climbing a tree, then where exactly does that leave us on the concept of democracy? Certainly not anywhere encouraging. Are my expectations truly too high? So, okay, fine. I'll be a decent human and feel sorry for them. But I really wish they'd stop driving drunk at the voting booth after crashing both our cars.
On any give day, you'd be sitting there defending any ignorance based vote for Hillary. You know I'm right.
Then, you don't appear to know me as well as you think. I don't defend ignorance-based ANYTHING. I mean, I'd defend the right to vote for Hillary based on ignorance. But I'd also defend the right to vote for Trump based on ignorance.
But as far as defending ignorant people for being ignorant, that's not my bag. I've always said I have more respect for a smart person who thinks I'm stupid than a stupid person who thinks I'm smart. That hasn't changed.
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If you listen to Rachel Maddow and the radical left Trump is going to start deporting people that came over on the Mayflower.
The post election meltdown will continue for a while. They are a loud, rude, obnoxious group with a microphone and the media. Eventually the American people will see through the BS. There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
I think Americans are beginning to wake up to the media bulls**t. The question is if we will hold them accountable. These days journalism means saying anything at all, so long as it is a means to an end. - Quote:
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There is NO Muslim ban, period. Trump is NOT deporting immigrants, period.
It's too late, It's been beat into their heads, and they're running with it.
Candidate Trump said that he was going to ban Muslims. I can go get you the quotes on that if you doubt me. But let's assume that you agree that's what he said when he was campaigning. Now, upon entering office he issues an immigration ban that targets seven countries, all of which are majority Muslim and has offered exceptions for members of "persecuted religions", which in Muslim countries is going to be non-Muslims. So Muslims from these countries? Not welcome. Non-Muslims from these countries? You guys are fine, come on in. And on the one hand Trump supporters claim that Trump has done exactly what he said he would do (remember, he said he would ban Muslims) while on the other hand claiming that this is not a ban on Muslims. Which seems an awful like: 
Go get em. Let's talk about it. Prepare your case and we'll discuss it when I get back. Keep in mind however that you're not going to goad me into defending Trump. I'm not exactly thrilled with this EO, but I'll judge it on it's merits, not lefty hyperbole. This is from the Trump/Pence campaign website:
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(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
Do I need more?
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How did someone with citizenship get deported?

The citizens were not sent home. Their non-citizen brothers and families were. - Quote:
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Assali and her husband, Dr. Ghassan Assali, who has a dentistry practice and received his degree from New York University, are originally from Syria but have been living in the United States for 20 years. Assali's two brothers, their wives and their two children initiated their immigration attempts in 2003 while living in Syria. In December 2016, they were approved to join Assali and her husband in Allentown after the couple bought and furnished a home for them.
I can see where the headline might confuse you though. See, this is a case where they should not have been sent back. These folks were in the air before the order was signed and had valid visas that they had been trying to get for years. Hopefully this can get cleared up quickly and they can return since it is rather obvious that the brother is doing what he can to make them not a burden to the state. It is fun to see our democrat friends s**t on some immigrants who did nothing wrong though. Why are they hating on these poor people? They hate them because their brother had the audacity to vote for someone other than Clinton. Nice.
I'm not hating on anybody. All I'm saying is their brother got what he voted for and he was dumb if he thought he was getting anything else. If Trump ran on a pro-immigration, pro-Syrian refugee platform and then did this instead, I'd be sympathetic but he didn't. They weren't lied to. He made his views clear. He got this person's vote anyway and that vote had consequences which this family now gets to experience. This person is fully complicit in their own problem helping to empower the person who targets innocent refugees. They added 2 plus 2 and now Democrats are evil for pointing out that it equals 4.
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well.
Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton. Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000/?utm_term=.2810fcc04767- Quote:
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Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” — President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017
“Remember we’re talking about a universe of 109 people. There were 325,000 people that came into this country over a 24 hour period from another country. 109 of them were stopped for additional screening.” — White House press secretary Sean Spicer, press briefing, Jan. 30, 2017
President Trump and his aides love to cite a small number and a big number in order to minimize the impact of the president’s executive order suspending the visas of citizens of seven countries.
But these figures are incredibly misleading, so let’s go through the math.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
I can't tell you 100% for certain that the 109 number is accurate but it is such a random exact number that I feel somebody told him that number. The 109 was the number of people who arrived at US airports and were detained or turned around (it could be a few more but I feel pretty certain that somebody at Homeland gave Trump that number). These two families from Syria are part of that group which is why I quoted that number.
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well.
Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton. Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000/?utm_term=.2810fcc04767- Quote:
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Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” — President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017
“Remember we’re talking about a universe of 109 people. There were 325,000 people that came into this country over a 24 hour period from another country. 109 of them were stopped for additional screening.” — White House press secretary Sean Spicer, press briefing, Jan. 30, 2017
President Trump and his aides love to cite a small number and a big number in order to minimize the impact of the president’s executive order suspending the visas of citizens of seven countries.
But these figures are incredibly misleading, so let’s go through the math.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. I can't tell you 100% for certain that the 109 number is accurate but it is such a random exact number that I feel somebody told him that number. The 109 was the number of people who arrived at US airports and were detained or turned around (it could be a few more but I feel pretty certain that somebody at Homeland gave Trump that number). These two families from Syria are part of that group which is why I quoted that number. Did someone tell him that number? Sure, I believe someone did. Does that make the number accurate or even based on something other than alternative facts? No, it doesn't.
109 is a patently absurd number, to be quite honest.
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Truth is that these folks voted for what they got. There are millions of others that voted for the guy too. A number of our posters here are part of that bunch. Now it might be their turn to get hosed by this guy and that are getting a little nervous about that.
Oh well.
Oh, I get not having sympathy for the brother who is a US citizen. I am just at a loss as to how the left can cry a river and march in the streets over the 109 folks who were turned around but now they don't care about this group (who were part of the 109) just because a relative of theirs voted against Clinton. Possibly you would have supported them more fully had, rather than try to legally immigrate as they did, they flown to Mexico and then crossed our southern border as illegals. Had they done that I am certain our leftists here would have cheered for them and wanted to give them government handouts and a voter registration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000/?utm_term=.2810fcc04767- Quote:
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Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.” — President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017
“Remember we’re talking about a universe of 109 people. There were 325,000 people that came into this country over a 24 hour period from another country. 109 of them were stopped for additional screening.” — White House press secretary Sean Spicer, press briefing, Jan. 30, 2017
President Trump and his aides love to cite a small number and a big number in order to minimize the impact of the president’s executive order suspending the visas of citizens of seven countries.
But these figures are incredibly misleading, so let’s go through the math.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. I can't tell you 100% for certain that the 109 number is accurate but it is such a random exact number that I feel somebody told him that number. The 109 was the number of people who arrived at US airports and were detained or turned around (it could be a few more but I feel pretty certain that somebody at Homeland gave Trump that number). These two families from Syria are part of that group which is why I quoted that number.
Did someone tell him that number? Sure, I believe someone did. Does that make the number accurate or even based on something other than alternative facts? No, it doesn't. 109 is a patently absurd number, to be quite honest. 109 probably is the number of people who were actively on flights prior to the ban going into effect who also were turned around. In that situation the number works.
In my opinion, those 109 should not have been turned around. Scrutinized and asked about their itinerary yes, turned around no.
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