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Family of Syrians Deported From Philadelphia Voted for Donald Trump; Haha
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Candidate Trump said that he was going to ban Muslims. I can go get you the quotes on that if you doubt me. But let's assume that you agree that's what he said when he was campaigning.

Now, upon entering office he issues an immigration ban that targets seven countries, all of which are majority Muslim and has offered exceptions for members of "persecuted religions", which in Muslim countries is going to be non-Muslims. So Muslims from these countries? Not welcome. Non-Muslims from these countries? You guys are fine, come on in.

And on the one hand Trump supporters claim that Trump has done exactly what he said he would do (remember, he said he would ban Muslims) while on the other hand claiming that this is not a ban on Muslims.

Which seems an awful like:

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Go get em. Let's talk about it. Prepare your case and we'll discuss it when I get back.

Keep in mind however that you're not going to goad me into defending Trump. I'm not exactly thrilled with this EO, but I'll judge it on it's merits, not lefty hyperbole.

This is from the Trump/Pence campaign website:

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(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

Do I need more?
No that's plenty, Thank you. Now tell me this, does the Executive Order Trump issued

: ban all Muslims?
: ban only Muslims?
: ban Muslims from 40 or so other predominantly Muslim countries?

Or does it temporarily ban travelers from several countries the Obama Administration deemed 'of concern'?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

There is no "Muslim Ban" ...Understand now?

Now as for your meme. Cute, but it more aptly applies to the left's insistence of a muslim ban in the face of facts. So... :biggrin: thanks for that.

It appears to have been intentionally tailored to allow plausible deniability regarding it being a "Muslim ban". Clearly someone in the administration figured out that overtly targeting Muslims specifically for a ban, even a temporary ban, would be Constitutionally indefensible.

Still, the fact that all the countries on the list are Muslim countries has most of Trump's supporters firmly convinced that he is "following through on what he promised". Well, what he promised was to ban Muslims, even if what he did wasn't a complete ban. If it's good enough for his supporters, why shouldn't it be good enough for us?

You don't honestly believe that he put the ban in place because in 90 days time the Trump administration will have re-vetted all those scheduled to immigrate to the U.S. in a more complete and thorough way then the Obama administration managed to do in the several years it typically takes to vet an immigrant?

This is just the opening salvo, I'm sure. And if you want to split hairs about it not being effectively a complete ban on Muslims, then I will concede that technically you're correct. It's not.

That doesn't mean it's not intended to be the start of a more complete and thorough ban down the road, which is what I think is the intention.

So yeah, most of us on this side of the divide are going to continue to think of it as a ban, characterize it as a ban, and fight it as a ban. Even though it's not a complete and total ban.
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You know I'm right, and I know you'll lie to cover your tracks.

Like I say, Ringo, you really know very little about me - and statements like the above prove that better than anything I could say.

Your copy machine story says otherwise. :biggrin:

My what? :confused:
<sigh> You told me once, of lying to your boss, blaming the copy machine for a missed deadline. You were trying to rationalize Clinton's lies. with the very clear message that lying is fine so long as it was a means to an end. I thought it was a pretty lame at the time.....still do.
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Go get em. Let's talk about it. Prepare your case and we'll discuss it when I get back.

Keep in mind however that you're not going to goad me into defending Trump. I'm not exactly thrilled with this EO, but I'll judge it on it's merits, not lefty hyperbole.

This is from the Trump/Pence campaign website:

Quote:
 
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

Do I need more?
No that's plenty, Thank you. Now tell me this, does the Executive Order Trump issued

: ban all Muslims?
: ban only Muslims?
: ban Muslims from 40 or so other predominantly Muslim countries?

Or does it temporarily ban travelers from several countries the Obama Administration deemed 'of concern'?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

There is no "Muslim Ban" ...Understand now?

Now as for your meme. Cute, but it more aptly applies to the left's insistence of a muslim ban in the face of facts. So... :biggrin: thanks for that.

It appears to have been intentionally tailored to allow plausible deniability regarding it being a "Muslim ban". Clearly someone in the administration figured out that overtly targeting Muslims specifically for a ban, even a temporary ban, would be Constitutionally indefensible.

Still, the fact that all the countries on the list are Muslim countries has most of Trump's supporters firmly convinced that he is "following through on what he promised". Well, what he promised was to ban Muslims, even if what he did wasn't a complete ban. If it's good enough for his supporters, why shouldn't it be good enough for us?

You don't honestly believe that he put the ban in place because in 90 days time the Trump administration will have re-vetted all those scheduled to immigrate to the U.S. in a more complete and thorough way then the Obama administration managed to do in the several years it typically takes to vet an immigrant?

This is just the opening salvo, I'm sure. And if you want to split hairs about it not being effectively a complete ban on Muslims, then I will concede that technically you're correct. It's not.

That doesn't mean it's not intended to be the start of a more complete and thorough ban down the road, which is what I think is the intention.

So yeah, most of us on this side of the divide are going to continue to think of it as a ban, characterize it as a ban, and fight it as a ban. Even though it's not a complete and total ban.
I see you've conveniently opted not to answer my inconvenient questions.

The truth doesn't require plausible denial Opie. Obviously you're among the hapless victims who've been drilled into parroting the left wing meme. But I'm proud to have been even a small part of breaking the cycle of lies you've been fed. It does me proud to see you admit the "Muslim Ban" lie.

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So yeah, most of us on this side of the divide are going to continue to think of it as a ban, characterize it as a ban, and fight it as a ban. Even though it's not a complete and total ban.


So... knowing it's not a Muslim Ban, you plan to continue perpetuating the lie that it is a Muslim Ban? :rotflmao:
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LOL, you may be right..It sure as hell didn't work for you when you posted that photo shopped meme you knew was a fake. You ended up curled in the corner crying about people picking on you... :rotflmao: Good Times.

Opie seems to think it will work for him though...let's see how it works out.
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You mean if you like your healthcare, you can keep it?
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This is from the Trump/Pence campaign website:

Quote:
 
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

Do I need more?
No that's plenty, Thank you. Now tell me this, does the Executive Order Trump issued

: ban all Muslims?
: ban only Muslims?
: ban Muslims from 40 or so other predominantly Muslim countries?

Or does it temporarily ban travelers from several countries the Obama Administration deemed 'of concern'?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

There is no "Muslim Ban" ...Understand now?

Now as for your meme. Cute, but it more aptly applies to the left's insistence of a muslim ban in the face of facts. So... :biggrin: thanks for that.

It appears to have been intentionally tailored to allow plausible deniability regarding it being a "Muslim ban". Clearly someone in the administration figured out that overtly targeting Muslims specifically for a ban, even a temporary ban, would be Constitutionally indefensible.

Still, the fact that all the countries on the list are Muslim countries has most of Trump's supporters firmly convinced that he is "following through on what he promised". Well, what he promised was to ban Muslims, even if what he did wasn't a complete ban. If it's good enough for his supporters, why shouldn't it be good enough for us?

You don't honestly believe that he put the ban in place because in 90 days time the Trump administration will have re-vetted all those scheduled to immigrate to the U.S. in a more complete and thorough way then the Obama administration managed to do in the several years it typically takes to vet an immigrant?

This is just the opening salvo, I'm sure. And if you want to split hairs about it not being effectively a complete ban on Muslims, then I will concede that technically you're correct. It's not.

That doesn't mean it's not intended to be the start of a more complete and thorough ban down the road, which is what I think is the intention.

So yeah, most of us on this side of the divide are going to continue to think of it as a ban, characterize it as a ban, and fight it as a ban. Even though it's not a complete and total ban.
I see you've conveniently opted not to answer my inconvenient questions.

The truth doesn't require plausible denial Opie. Obviously you're among the hapless victims who've been drilled into parroting the left wing meme. But I'm proud to have been even a small part of breaking the cycle of lies you've been fed. It does me proud to see you admit the "Muslim Ban" lie.

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So yeah, most of us on this side of the divide are going to continue to think of it as a ban, characterize it as a ban, and fight it as a ban. Even though it's not a complete and total ban.


So... knowing it's not a Muslim Ban, you plan to continue perpetuating the lie that it is a Muslim Ban? :rotflmao:
You're splitting hairs. You and I know that his intent is to ban all Muslims. He said so himself. There is no reason to believe that this is the only action he is going to take. I certainly am not going to wait until the house has burned down to cry "fire".
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LOL, you may be right..It sure as hell didn't work for you when you posted that photo shopped meme you knew was a fake. You ended up curled in the corner crying about people picking on you... :rotflmao: Good Times.

Opie seems to think it will work for him though...let's see how it works out.
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You mean if you like your healthcare, you can keep it?
No, like Trump won the popular vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/18/a-new-poll-shows-an-astonishing-52-of-republicans-think-trump-won-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.aee7e305e2b7

Obama's didn't work
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LOL, you may be right..It sure as hell didn't work for you when you posted that photo shopped meme you knew was a fake. You ended up curled in the corner crying about people picking on you... :rotflmao: Good Times.

Opie seems to think it will work for him though...let's see how it works out.
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LOL, you may be right..It sure as hell didn't work for you when you posted that photo shopped meme you knew was a fake. You ended up curled in the corner crying about people picking on you... :rotflmao: Good Times.

Opie seems to think it will work for him though...let's see how it works out.
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You know it's true, I know it's true. That's all that matters. Nice try though.
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You mean if you like your healthcare, you can keep it?
No, like Trump won the popular vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/18/a-new-poll-shows-an-astonishing-52-of-republicans-think-trump-won-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.aee7e305e2b7

Obama's didn't work
He did if the illegal votes were taken away.
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You mean if you like your healthcare, you can keep it?
No, like Trump won the popular vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/18/a-new-poll-shows-an-astonishing-52-of-republicans-think-trump-won-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.aee7e305e2b7

Obama's didn't work
He did if the illegal votes were taken away.
And that is another lie perpetuated and swallowed whole by the uneducated
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LOL, you may be right..It sure as hell didn't work for you when you posted that photo shopped meme you knew was a fake. You ended up curled in the corner crying about people picking on you... :rotflmao: Good Times.

Opie seems to think it will work for him though...let's see how it works out.
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You know it's true, I know it's true. That's all that matters. Nice try though.
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Well, if you insist on reviving the humiliation...ok

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http://unitedstates.com/topic/10015687/2/

Last time you ran away from it...You gonna do that again? :rotflmao:
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You know it's true, I know it's true. That's all that matters. Nice try though.
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Well, if you insist on reviving the humiliation...ok

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http://unitedstates.com/topic/10015687/2/

Last time you ran away from it...You gonna do that again? :rotflmao: [/quote]I have posted things I thought were right that were not. I am human,you know. I don't continue or perpetuate such when made aware. I did not defend the photo as being real or post it again. So I don't have a clue as to what your point is in bringing it up except just a smear job.
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I have posted things I thought were right that were not. I am human,you know. I don't continue or perpetuate such when made aware. I did not defend the photo as being real or post it again. So I don't have a clue as to what your point is in bringing it up except just a smear job.
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I have posted things I thought were right that were not. I am human,you know. I don't continue or perpetuate such when made aware. I did not defend the photo as being real or post it again. So I don't have a clue as to what your point is in bringing it up except just a smear job.
So again provide a link where I admit that I KNOW it is fake and defend or continue to post it after you informed me of such and your groundless accusations which are endless diaper droppings you smear on everyone like a deranged toddler are insufficient
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I have posted things I thought were right that were not. I am human,you know. I don't continue or perpetuate such when made aware. I did not defend the photo as being real or post it again. So I don't have a clue as to what your point is in bringing it up except just a smear job.
So again provide a link where I admit that I KNOW it is fake and defend or continue to post it after you informed me of such and your groundless accusations which are endless diaper droppings you smear on everyone like a deranged toddler are insufficient


I never said you admitted it. because you never did admit you lied. I said you knew it was fake. So stop trying to word weasel your way out of it. But you did know it was fake, because the faked image was sourced to Snopes which had debunked the fake image. The fact that you pulled it from a page debunking the image proves you knew it was fake. The accusations you claim are groundless are quite accurate and proven.

Do you want to double down on the lie that you didn't know it was fake?

I warned you about reliving the humiliation but you wouldn't listen. :biggrin:
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I never said you admitted it.


I made no comment on that thread as to your false accusation, the photo or anything else.

ringo
 
I said you knew it was fake.


Which is a lie or the lying voices in your head told you so. I don't know which.

ringo
 
But you did know it was fake, because the faked image was sourced to Snopes which had debunked the fake image. The fact that you pulled it from a page debunking the image proves you knew it was fake.


Like most pics I post here, I get them from Google image search. Saw the pic and copied the url and posted it without seeing or paying attention to the source. Try it yourself. Hardly proof. But I guess the natural instinct of disingenuous people is to think everyone is just like them. Like an adulterer starts thinking their spouse is cheating on them.

Pretty sad seeing you do that to 2am. Even though he delighted seeing you do it to those he was arguing with, now he got snakebite by the snake.

If you need to obsess over those you think (wrongly) are lying then you should start with the guy(you) that promised someone (me) the last word and couldn't control himself to stand by his word. Or who promised to shake hands a behave themselves and has failed on that promise too.

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I never said you admitted it.


I made no comment on that thread as to your false accusation, the photo or anything else.

ringo
 
I said you knew it was fake.


Which is a lie or the lying voices in your head told you so. I don't know which.

ringo
 
But you did know it was fake, because the faked image was sourced to Snopes which had debunked the fake image. The fact that you pulled it from a page debunking the image proves you knew it was fake.


Like most pics I post here, I get them from Google image search. Saw the pic and copied the url and posted it without seeing or paying attention to the source. Try it yourself. Hardly proof. But I guess the natural instinct of disingenuous people is to think everyone is just like them. Like an adulterer starts thinking their spouse is cheating on them.

Pretty sad seeing you do that to 2am. Even though he delighted seeing you do it to those he was arguing with, now he got snakebite by the snake.

If you need to obsess over those you think (wrongly) are lying then you should start with the guy(you) that promised someone (me) the last word and couldn't control himself to stand by his word. Or who promised to shake hands a behave themselves and has failed on that promise too.

Denial....Did I expect any better from you?
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