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| dr345 | Feb 1 2017, 09:07 PM Post #81 |
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Didn't expect you to change your spots, stand by any promise or exhibit any sense of self control. I'm done. Take your last lying shot. |
| un jour on se souviendra de ca comme on se souvient de ca | |
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| ringotuna | Feb 1 2017, 09:13 PM Post #82 |
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Now you're just pulling things out of your butt, flinging it and hoping something will stick....Classy Edited by ringotuna, Feb 1 2017, 09:21 PM.
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| Ringoism: Never underestimate the advantages of being underestimated. | |
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| Drudge X | Feb 1 2017, 10:04 PM Post #83 |
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Someone is trying to duck and cover. |
| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| dr345 | Feb 1 2017, 10:19 PM Post #84 |
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Back to the story and related debates... Homeland Security Inspector General Opens Investigation of Muslim Ban, Orders Document Preservation White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer also denied that the executive order constituted a ban on Muslims in the United States, also describing it yesterday as “a vetting system to keep America safe.” But high-level advisers to the Trump administration, as well as Trump himself, have periodically characterized the policy as one intended to ban Muslim travelers from entering the United States. Trump initially rolled out his proposal in 2015 as a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” https://theintercept.com/2017/02/01/homeland-security-inspector-general-opens-investigation-of-muslim-ban-rollout-orders-document-preservation/ Giuliani: Trump asked me how to do a Muslim ban 'legally' http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally |
| un jour on se souviendra de ca comme on se souvient de ca | |
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| Robert Stout | Feb 2 2017, 12:25 AM Post #85 |
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After Trump has full control of the SCOTUS, Trump will be unable to do anything illegal...How many liberal Justices are ready for nursing homes or funeral directors ???..............
Edited by Robert Stout, Feb 2 2017, 12:29 AM.
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Two a.m. | Feb 2 2017, 01:07 AM Post #86 |
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Yes, I was trying - unsuccessfully - to get you to understand that everyone lies so dishonesty should be seen in context as opposed to the partisan weapon everyone makes it into. As I've said a number of times, if I felt Trump were going to be a good president, his lies wouldn't bother me much. I'd still call him on them just like I did for Clinton, Obama or anyone else. But I've never seen honesty as a particularly important trait in our politicians because we pretty much force our politicians to lie to us since voters hate the truth and will reject it almost every time. Was Hillary Clinton a more honest candidate than Trump? By miles, yes. But that's not what made her a better choice. I'd be perfectly fine voting for the bigger liar every time if they were going to do better things for the country and I've knowingly cast votes for the bigger liar in a race. Doing good things for the country will require a lot of lies. After all, the most honest president of the modern era was Jimmy Carter. He was also among the worst presidents of the modern era. The only bad thing about Trump's lying is that much of it ranges between unnecessary, ridiculous and unproductive. I'm not completely convinced that Trump is lying much of the time since much of the time, he'll lie in situations where he derives no benefit - and might actually be hurt - by the lie. That's actually quite weird and indicates what I suspect to be the workings of a delusional mind. He may not believe he is lying at all. Now that does bother me. Dishonest presidents are very normal. Crazy presidents are not normal - and they are extremely dangerous. |
| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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| Robert Stout | Feb 2 2017, 06:17 AM Post #87 |
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I find Trump to be usually DEADLY SERIOUS.....Too many people assume , "He couldn't be serious"....Perhaps they should start believing his words and especially the ideas behind them.....I suspect his plans for America have only been partly revealed...Liberals should be afraid, very afraid....They brought it upon themselves with their garbage ideology that has harmed the USA................. :oyvey |
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| Two a.m. | Feb 2 2017, 06:19 AM Post #88 |
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Don't look at me. I despise both liberalism and Trumpism. To me, you are merely two different kinds of illnesses on the body politic. Edited by Two a.m., Feb 2 2017, 06:19 AM.
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| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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| Robert Stout | Feb 2 2017, 06:32 AM Post #89 |
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Within 4 years Trumpism will be the norm in America....You better get a ticket to Canada.............
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| CautionaryTales | Feb 2 2017, 06:43 AM Post #90 |
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That was no lie, but it was a lost fight. |
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Have you paid your internet taxes? | |
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| ringotuna | Feb 2 2017, 07:21 AM Post #91 |
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You've already gone to great length to try and convince me that dishonesty is acceptable, both politically and personally. It didn't work then and it won't work now. As for the distinction between the two candidates, you can parse out who's the bigger lair than the other but it makes no difference. Trumps lies are impulsive...spontaneous, off the teleprompter carnival showmanship. Whatever nonsense that rattles through his mind rolls off his tongue. Some would see this as a virtue as it appears he speaks his mind. But whether one believes that or not, it's still a lie. Clinton's lies on the other hand are more sophisticated, conniving and usually focus on covering something up. Her lies are borne and scripted in political boiler rooms with the intent of steering the public away from her failures, digressions and scandals. She lied about the motive behind Benghazi, about the email server, and when Comey admonished her irresponsibility, she tried to spin it into validation. Her latest? Yeah, she's still yapping. President Obama and the first lady were easily among her greatest campaign advocates. They campaigned for her extensively, but guess who she's blaming now for her loss. Any guesses? Both are sick individuals, lacking in dignity and integrity, and neither of them is deserving of the office. |
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| Two a.m. | Feb 2 2017, 11:56 AM Post #92 |
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I HAVE NEVER, ever advocated personal lying and the fact that you mistakenly think I have shows that even after all of this time, you still have not come close to grasping my point. I almost always conduct myself honestly in professional and personal affairs and I have little tolerance for those who do otherwise. I HAVE pointed out that everyone - including me and you - have lied to someone at some time or another in their lives and I have noted that - when judging our own lies - we DO make clear distinctions between those that we believe would make us evil people and those that are merely incidental or which we deem "necessary" for survival. We DO NOT apply your one-size-fits-all standard of "it makes no difference" when judging ourselves despite how fond we might be of blithely applying it to politicians. We give ourselves far more leeway and employ a far more forgiving standard for ourselves than we do for public figures. I HAVE acknowledged political lying as a necessity because that's obviously what it is. This is largely the fault of voters rather than politicians although neither is excused. As illustrated above, I HAVE also argued that there are differences in the type and volume of Clinton's and Trump's lies and that those differences say important things about the candidates. These are distinctions we understand implicitly when judging our own sins or - sometimes - the sins of loved ones but which we actively disregard for people like Trump and Clinton because it is fashionable to simply call them both liars and invent a narrative of false equivalence. That narrative only cost Hillary Clinton an election. She got off easy. It will cost the nation a great deal more. Edited by Two a.m., Feb 2 2017, 11:59 AM.
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| "The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984 | |
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