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| The anti-Trump resistance will fail if we don't ditch establishment Democrats; We can’t succeed if we are tied to generations of unpopular Democratic party leaders | |
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| Eddo26 | Jan 31 2017, 07:33 PM Post #1 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/31/anti-trump-resistance-fail-ditch-establishment-democrats If the last week has shown us anything, it’s that Donald Trump has power, but he doesn’t have much of a mandate yet. We need to keep it that way – and be wary of the bad political leadership and strategy that can help him build one. November’s election is a powerful reminder that the Clinton establishment’s mix of socially inclusive rhetoric and neoliberal economics is a weak response to xenophobic populism. An anti-Trump resistance movement must be broad, but it must direct its anger and energy not just at the enemy in the White House, but the failed leadership that let him get there. The Tea Party movement couldn’t have emerged with Bob Dole and George W Bush among their leaders. We can’t build our anti-Trump resistance, settled with generations of unpopular Democratic party leaders either. |
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| Two a.m. | Jan 31 2017, 07:42 PM Post #2 |
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The "progressives" who sabotaged Clinton and gave us Trump now say they want to fight him. A liberal is someone who scatters nails in your driveway and then shows up selling tires.
Edited by Two a.m., Jan 31 2017, 07:43 PM.
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| dr345 | Jan 31 2017, 07:44 PM Post #3 |
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With this attitude, I can understand the sentiments of the author. Edited by dr345, Jan 31 2017, 07:45 PM.
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| Eddo26 | Jan 31 2017, 07:45 PM Post #4 |
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Think it was the other way around. |
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| Two a.m. | Jan 31 2017, 07:47 PM Post #5 |
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The sentiments of the author are why I now have this attitude. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 31 2017, 07:47 PM Post #6 |
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^ Written by Bhaskar Sunkara, founder of the neo-Marxist magazine Jacobin, who once titled an article a colleague had written 'Burn the Constitution'. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/books/bhaskar-sunkara-editor-of-jacobin-magazine.html I doubt he's the guy to lead it. |
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| Eddo26 | Jan 31 2017, 07:48 PM Post #7 |
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And that attitude is why you lost. |
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| dr345 | Jan 31 2017, 07:50 PM Post #8 |
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No, you have that attitude by your own choice. Stop blaming others. |
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| Two a.m. | Jan 31 2017, 07:59 PM Post #9 |
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I didn't have it when we lost. I was willing to partner with liberals. I was willing to work with liberals. I was even willing to fight for Bernie Sanders if the people chose him as their nominee and I fully said as much. Unfortunately, liberals showed they had no interest in working with anyone. They preferred to lose the election and hand the country over to a madman then to act like adults and fight the good fight. This is - in some sense - by design. Liberals intentionally sabotaged Clinton's centrist campaign so they could effectively create the problem of Trump. Then they come along peddling themselves as the "solution." Conservatives pull the same kind of game. They destroy government and then campaign on government not working. Both liberals and conservatives essentially exist to "solve" problems that they themselves create. Ideologues on both sides are parasites sucking vitality out of the system in order to sustain and empower themselves. When viewed as the illnesses they are, liberalism and conservatism resemble viruses. Their goal isn't prosperity, balance or stability. It is to spread, multiply and overrun the organism until it dies. This is why - as I painfully learned in 2016 - you can't partner with a virus. Edited by Two a.m., Jan 31 2017, 08:02 PM.
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| Two a.m. | Jan 31 2017, 08:01 PM Post #10 |
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My choice is to believe in reality and the reality is that liberalism is as much a hindrance to good government as conservatism. |
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| dr345 | Jan 31 2017, 08:11 PM Post #11 |
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You are bitter about the results of the election and are lashing out at the wrong things. You let the acts of some defeat you. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who has been nothing but arrogant and dismissive when his sails got knocked down. Such experiences either make or break a man. |
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| Two a.m. | Jan 31 2017, 08:17 PM Post #12 |
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My sails weren't knocked down. They were slashed by traitorous members of the crew. So I'm the one who is bitter, arrogant and dismissive, eh? How about the author of this thread? Let's "ditch establishment Democrats". Who is "lashing out at the wrong things" with that little gem? Is that supposed to be some sort of call for unity? Sounds pretty arrogant and dismissive to me. Edited by Two a.m., Jan 31 2017, 08:18 PM.
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| dr345 | Jan 31 2017, 08:23 PM Post #13 |
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Jesus dude... |
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| Eddo26 | Jan 31 2017, 08:27 PM Post #14 |
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But if you said the Hillary campaign couldn't have sabotaged Bernie's campaign, then there would be no way the Bernie campaign could sabotage the Clinton campaign. Unless you have double standards. That's the key thing in all this really, the double standards. Turning a blind eye to one thing done against the opponent but when the opponent does something even less severe you would call him out on it, whether the Progressives the the Republicans or the Russians. You won't win any votes while having double standards, that is the lesson for you here. If by next election you can become more fair then perhaps you may actually win. But if you keep coping with the attitude that you don't need us, that we are a virus just because you aren't willing to compromise with us yet still feel entitled to having our votes, that you said Sanders don't deserve a second-place trophy for not winning the primary, that we don't deserve any progressive concessions, that we should only vote for Hillary because of Trump because you aren't going to give us anything, and now try to take it all back by saying you were willing to partner with us now after you had lost, then guess what... we don't need you either. Progressives are the future, millennials are born every year and by next election 4 years of millennials will become voting age. It's a downhill battle for us. For you, it's a losing battle. But four years is a long time, plenty of time to change your attitude but never too late to start. It's better to leave this world happy. Edited by Eddo26, Jan 31 2017, 08:35 PM.
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| Mr. Tik | Jan 31 2017, 09:12 PM Post #15 |
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The amusing thing about eddo's diatribe one post up is that its permeated with the same wankiness that he accuses 2am of. |
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| Eddo26 | Jan 31 2017, 09:19 PM Post #16 |
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Doubt it since I never try to "partner" up with the likes of them and then when I lose blame them for not being partners.
Edited by Eddo26, Jan 31 2017, 09:29 PM.
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| dr345 | Jan 31 2017, 10:22 PM Post #17 |
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It seems 2am's idea of partnering up was to accept his candidate and shut up. But as this was an unusual election year, I backed Clinton despite her big flaws and regardless that I supported Bernie. Trump won because both sides were foolishly arrogant. I blame stubborn Bernie or Bust too. You got your bust so you Bernie Backers that smeared Hillary own Trump. He's your president. You have no right to say otherwise. But go ahead anyway. |
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| Two a.m. | Feb 1 2017, 12:28 AM Post #18 |
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Since Sanders failed to get the nomination and did not run a general election campaign, Clinton would have had no opportunity to sabotage it. Clinton DID have such an opportunity in 2008 with Obama when she was the one who lost the nomination. But instead of acting like Sanders, she behaved quite honorably. Though she was almost even with Obama in the popular vote (as opposed to Sanders who was far behind), she graciously capitulated within days (as opposed to Sanders who threatened a useless convention fight and petulantly took a month after the last primary to back Clinton. When Clinton lost to the liberal candidate, she expected no concessions, was cooperative and did what she was supposed to immediately encouraging the same from her backers. By contrast, Sanders had spent months revving up baseless conspiracy theories about the DNC as part of a personal vendetta against its goofy, hapless chairwoman, Debbie Downer. He eventually got Debbie's head on a platter - and Donald Trump in the White House. I sure hope it was worth it. No doubt Bernie will spend many a long, cold Vermont night pondering that question in the years to come. If he's honest, I don't envy his conclusions. And you can knock off the revisionist history. I have long been all for compromising with liberals and that I would even support their candidate just as I did in 2008. I said this loud and clear from day one and would have done for Sanders what I did for Obama. But those days are gone. Eff the progressive movement and the horse it rode in on. Liberals have no intention of paying the same respect to centrist Democrats that centrists like me were willing to pay them. You are spoiled, self-centered brats who cannot accept the outcome of any process that doesn't benefit you and you are happy to undermine the will of the people and undercut democratic structures anytime your candidate loses. You are absolutists incapable of compromise, impenetrable to logic and so full of yourselves there is no room for anyone else. I wish you many happy years of Trumpism. You wanted them, you got them. You and the Donald's backers deserve each other. You have far more in common then either of you realize. You are both grounded in hatred and grievance, both intolerant of all dissent and - best of all - you are both being taken advantage of by the same ridiculous charlatan. What better foundation could one want for a relationship? |
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| clone | Feb 1 2017, 12:29 AM Post #19 |
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This is such a great thread...![]() Edited by clone, Feb 1 2017, 12:30 AM.
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| Robert Stout | Feb 1 2017, 12:39 AM Post #20 |
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It is a thread of the blind leading the blind...These guys are clueless....They need your help to understand politics............ :oyvey |
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