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| The anti-Trump resistance will fail if we don't ditch establishment Democrats; We can’t succeed if we are tied to generations of unpopular Democratic party leaders | |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:16 AM Post #21 |
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There you go again turning the blind eye as I said, claiming that there was nothing Clinton or the DNC did to sabotage the Sanders campaign in the primary, that it was just a conspiracy despite Debbie Wasserman stepping down for it and you blaming the Russians for revealing "illegal and inappropriate" content. You are so full of crap and we can all see right through that. You go on and on in denial despite concrete evidence right in front of us and you still blatantly lie that there ever was a DNC plot against Sanders while at the same time you blame Russia and Wikileaks for revealing the evidence. That is oxymoronic, which is nothing new for you. There is plenty of evidence that DNC screwed Bernie over and we have had this discussion numerous times and yet you still lie and deny it. Your reputation here is in tatters and this is how you fail at getting votes. You are right about me being unable to compromise with the likes of you for the reason that there is no way to compromise with you. I'm not making any "revisionist history" as you claim... you really said that Sanders supporters don't deserve concessions or second place trophies or anything. You really said that and I can dig posts up for you stating that. You just want us to vote for Hillary or else we would get Trump. You are so into the establishment that you forgot about the little people. Me personally, Clinton and Trump are the same. If Trump hadn't won I'm pretty sure I would be complaining about a Clinton presidency instead of a Trump presidency. It is no difference to me. But that's alright because maybe you've adopted the nihilistic outlook on life like CT and say "Meh whatever, I can't win so let's keep losing" ever since you came back from your butthurt-induced timeout in a safe zone. Maybe you really are done, and are now unable to post anything constructive for the future. That's alright, people like you and CT will be in the grave soon, never to see happiness in your life from this moment onward, and die under a conservative presidency. Well good riddance, just hurry with the moping and doom and gloom so the rest of us can get on with discussion something constructive, something you haven't done in the last 2 years. Your time is pretty much up. Clinton was maybe the last chance for you to get your way one last time and your lifetime and you lost that without our help and now you're just bitter. Our time is just beginning. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:25 AM Post #22 |
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Protip: political movements don't become more successful by "getting rid of ___". That's doubly true when you're trying to get rid of much of your actual power and funding. |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:29 AM Post #23 |
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Funding should come from taxpayers only and not special interests groups lobbying to invest in themselves only. Power comes from votes and we the people have the votes. As you can see, your establishment is pretty powerless without our votes. We don't need anything from it. Edited by Eddo26, Feb 1 2017, 01:31 AM.
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:31 AM Post #24 |
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Then you are spectacularly oblivious of issues and policy. They are nothing alike. The "little people" are going to get hosed on a whole new level. |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:32 AM Post #25 |
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If it was Clinton, we'd be having a nuclear war with Russia right about now or at least deep into Cold War II. I consider averting that a win. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 1 2017, 01:33 AM Post #26 |
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TPP would be a go as well. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:35 AM Post #27 |
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Of course you do. The "establishment" is largely a specter. It's what the fringes call whoever they perceive to have power. If your guy had won, he'd be the "establishment" and likely as not, you'd soon be kvetching about him not doing what you want. In a nation this size, getting a majority isn't easy. and almost always involves some compromise with people you don't entirely agree with. Effective governance, for us old fogies who dimly remember it, requires even more. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:35 AM Post #28 |
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Nonsense |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:35 AM Post #29 |
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Correct and 5 year lobbying ban on political appointees. I don't agree with most of the thing Trump does but I'm going to be fair and point out the good things rather than become a partisan zombie like so many others. |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:38 AM Post #30 |
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You just try to extort us by the 2 party system to avoid the "lesser evil", and you think you can do what you want just because the other party is more evil. Well the whole system can be shoved. We won't fall for it. I don't vote for any evil I see, not Trump and not Hillary. You find something we can agree with to bring to the table and then maybe you would have my vote. Until then, I am not on your side and you are not entitled to my vote. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 1 2017, 01:38 AM Post #31 |
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We wouldn't be supporting the Brexit and we would be importing Syrian and Somali refugees which have proven a security threat. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:42 AM Post #32 |
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Nonsense? You want to be allies with Russia right now and make ties with them? No? didn't think so. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:44 AM Post #33 |
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That's the system we have. I'd be happy to see it change, but until it does, we get "A or B" and that often means settling for the one who sucks slightly less. If you are intent to hold out for exactly what you want, you're usually going to lose. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:45 AM Post #34 |
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It's not about me
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:47 AM Post #35 |
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And this is how change gets done. You'll see changes in the DNC because of your loss and maybe elect Ellison as head of DNC in a month. If it doesn't change then it will lose again until it changes. And millennials are born every day, change will happen eventually. 4 years of millennials voting next election. The question is, you want this change to be easy or do you want this change to be hard? |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 01:51 AM Post #36 |
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It changes nothing. We still have a two party system. |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 01:53 AM Post #37 |
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But a more progressive one, rather than the current centrist one and a republican one where we can be fully represented. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 02:30 AM Post #38 |
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Where you can be more represented, not "we". What you'd gain on the left, you'd more than lose in the center. |
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| Eddo26 | Feb 1 2017, 02:34 AM Post #39 |
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The center has nothing we want anyways, hence why we didn't vote for your candidate. |
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| nNeo | Feb 1 2017, 02:36 AM Post #40 |
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Without it you can't win. |
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