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The mass media is the modern Pravda
Topic Started: Feb 1 2017, 12:12 PM (1,966 Views)
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Was the Aleppo Boy staged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGx9qYSwTcs
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The fact that they moved those kids in order to make the shot more dramatic is horrible. Why were they not trying to help them? In the case of the injured boy, get him medical help, for the dead boy give him dignity, cover him. Sheesh, reporters.

Edited by Demagogue, Feb 1 2017, 12:18 PM.
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Feb 1 2017, 12:17 PM
The fact that they moved those kids in order to make the shot more dramatic is horrible. Why were they not trying to help them? In the case of the injured boy, get him medical help, for the dead boy give him dignity, cover him. Sheesh, reporters.

I watched CNN for a while yesterday in the hotel lobby - it's crap.

Basically it was the Sessions confirmation hearings, they literally covered Feinstein in the spot-light with emotional teary eyed analysis by the host and the guests afterwards.

Then when the republican from South Carolina started talking, they cut the feeds and went to cover some hippies that wrote "Resist" on a beach in Maine.

Seriously - feck CNN to hell.
Edited by estonianman, Feb 1 2017, 12:33 PM.
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Feb 1 2017, 12:31 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 12:17 PM
The fact that they moved those kids in order to make the shot more dramatic is horrible. Why were they not trying to help them? In the case of the injured boy, get him medical help, for the dead boy give him dignity, cover him. Sheesh, reporters.

I watched CNN for a while yesterday in the hotel lobby - it's crap.

Basically it was the Sessions confirmation hearings, they literally covered Feinstein in the spot-light with emotional teary eyed analysis by the host and the guests afterwards.

Then when the republican from South Carolina started talking, they cut the feeds and went to cover some hippies that wrote "Resist" on a beach in Maine.

Seriously - feck CNN to hell.
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This one is even better...

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Ok one more...

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Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
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Feb 1 2017, 03:36 PM
Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
This is why it was moved to MFAB from OpEd.
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Feb 1 2017, 03:40 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 03:36 PM
Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
This is why it was moved to MFAB from OpEd.

Yeah, I'm not arguing placement. I'm just saying there is very little here that substantiates anything. Foreign affairs photographers have been known to stage things, alter photos or engage in other unethical practices. It does happen.

But I've seen nothing here that indicates that. I was wondering if anyone had anything better than the vague accusation of some dude on YouTube.

"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Feb 1 2017, 03:40 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 03:36 PM
Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
This is why it was moved to MFAB from OpEd.
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Feb 1 2017, 04:01 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 03:40 PM
Two a.m.
Feb 1 2017, 03:36 PM
Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
This is why it was moved to MFAB from OpEd.

Yeah, I'm not arguing placement. I'm just saying there is very little here that substantiates anything. Foreign affairs photographers have been known to stage things, alter photos or engage in other unethical practices. It does happen.

But I've seen nothing here that indicates that. I was wondering if anyone had anything better than the vague accusation of some dude on YouTube.

Yep, although I must say that the continuous video of the little boy from Aleppo is fairly damning. The other part about the boy on the beach not so much. Regardless, the source is some vague, unverified youtuber and should be considered suspect.

I always wonder about these photo journalists. As a human, shouldn't your first instinct be to help rather than shoot a photo. Remember the Pulitzer prize winning photo of the starving african boy with the vulture standing there waiting for him to die? As a human being, wouldn't your first instinct be to shoo the damn bird away and the try and help?
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Feb 1 2017, 04:07 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 04:01 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 03:36 PM
Okay, first this is a YouTube video. I'm shown a brief clip of footage of someone putting a kid in a chair while media film and then a couple of still shots of people near the body of another kid and then I'm told a bunch of unsourced information about people being moved and things being staged. Do we have some sort of reliable source here?
This is why it was moved to MFAB from OpEd.

Yeah, I'm not arguing placement. I'm just saying there is very little here that substantiates anything. Foreign affairs photographers have been known to stage things, alter photos or engage in other unethical practices. It does happen.

But I've seen nothing here that indicates that. I was wondering if anyone had anything better than the vague accusation of some dude on YouTube.

Yep, although I must say that the continuous video of the little boy from Aleppo is fairly damning. The other part about the boy on the beach not so much. Regardless, the source is some vague, unverified youtuber and should be considered suspect.

I always wonder about these photo journalists. As a human, shouldn't your first instinct be to help rather than shoot a photo. Remember the Pulitzer prize winning photo of the starving african boy with the vulture standing there waiting for him to die? As a human being, wouldn't your first instinct be to shoo the damn bird away and the try and help?
It doesn't look particularly damning to me. Someone put him in the back of the ambulance. That's all we're shown. Presumably, we knew someone did this unless one thought that he crawled in there himself. We're not really shown anything particularly revealing. Now, if they had footage of someone coating him with dirt and spreading blood on his face, then that'd be far more interesting.

Again, sometimes foreign footage - particularly still photos but also video - is faked, including some pretty famous incidents. Photographers have been known to move a doll or teddy bear to a more photogenic pile of rubble, photoshop extra smoke in photos or even get guerrillas to fire off RPGs at the other side to get a good shot. One of the most famous hostage videos of the 80s which featured a terrorist with his gun to the head of an airline pilot was completely staged. The photographer asked the terrorist to do something photogenic and the terrorist obliged.

But again, the footage of the boy doesn't show any sort of manipulation of him for effect. It simply shows him being loaded into what I guess is an ambulance. Presumably he was then transported to a medical facility. Now, if they can show he was put there exclusively for the camera and then removed without being taken anywhere or his appearance was changed with more dirt or blood or that journalists in stories exaggerated his injuries, then, yeah, that's a problem.

Edited by Two a.m., Feb 1 2017, 04:27 PM.
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I just ran across this gem from CNN.

The headline?

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Whither Melania Trump? 12 days without a public sighting


In the article itself.

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On Monday night, paparazzi caught the first lady and Barron "running errands" in New York City. Melania Trump, in a cream-colored coat and signature five-inch high heels, and Barron, were ferried around Manhattan by a Secret Service detail.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/melania-trump-flotus-where-is-she/index.html

Now, look at the link, even the link says "flotus-where-is-she" but when you read the article it is fairly obvious that she has been in New York doing exactly what she said she was going to do but that won't sell copy so CNN decides to punch it up a little. Had the title been "12 days without an official appearance" then it would have been accurate but CNN was looking to paint the sensational picture of Melania being locked in a closet somewhere.

No wonder Trump despises them.
Edited by Demagogue, Feb 1 2017, 06:51 PM.
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He'd despise them anyway. But, yes, the headline is inaccurate.

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Feb 1 2017, 06:58 PM
He'd despise them anyway. But, yes, the headline is inaccurate.

The key here is that it is not inaccurate by accident. That is not journalism. I hate to use the term being bandied about for it because I dislike it so much but damn it, journalists for big outlets used to be better than this.

Don't get me wrong, I know there have always been editorial leans to different outlets. Most of the reputable ones though did not stoop this far into the muck.
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Feb 1 2017, 07:03 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 06:58 PM
He'd despise them anyway. But, yes, the headline is inaccurate.

The key here is that it is not inaccurate by accident. That is not journalism. I hate to use the term being bandied about for it because I dislike it so much but damn it, journalists for big outlets used to be better than this.

Don't get me wrong, I know there have always been editorial leans to different outlets. Most of the reputable ones though did not stoop this far into the muck.
Omg getting panty twisted over that?

Really grasping to make that headline some evil plot to smear flotus. Talk about sensitive snowflakery.
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Feb 1 2017, 07:03 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 06:58 PM
He'd despise them anyway. But, yes, the headline is inaccurate.

The key here is that it is not inaccurate by accident. That is not journalism. I hate to use the term being bandied about for it because I dislike it so much but damn it, journalists for big outlets used to be better than this.

Don't get me wrong, I know there have always been editorial leans to different outlets. Most of the reputable ones though did not stoop this far into the muck.
Partisan hackery is absolutely at play - but most of this is tabloid journalism. Perhaps this is what the market wants?

Personally I think the days of mass media are over.
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There is an inhumane sickness in a mind that is so rotten and beyond repair that the holder of such would look at this kid in the ambulance or dead children that should be playing instead of dying horribly that then go on and seek to ignore the pain for purposes that defy all concepts of decency.

Disgusting. Every bit as bad as those that caused this level of evil.









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Feb 1 2017, 09:56 PM
There is an inhumane sickness in a mind that is so rotten and beyond repair that the holder of such would look at this kid in the ambulance or dead children that should be playing instead of dying horribly that then go on and seek to ignore the pain for purposes that defy all concepts of decency.

Disgusting. Every bit as bad as those that caused this level of evil.









^^ Supported Obama's drone wars
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Feb 1 2017, 09:56 PM
There is an inhumane sickness in a mind that is so rotten and beyond repair that the holder of such would look at this kid in the ambulance or dead children that should be playing instead of dying horribly that then go on and seek to ignore the pain for purposes that defy all concepts of decency.

Disgusting. Every bit as bad as those that caused this level of evil.









^^ Supported Obama's drone wars
Would you support any wars started by Trump?
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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