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How to Build an Autocracy; Rebuilt atta topic
Topic Started: Feb 2 2017, 11:31 AM (706 Views)
Demagogue
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Feb 2 2017, 02:57 PM
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Feb 2 2017, 02:33 PM
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Feb 2 2017, 12:48 PM
This is a remarkable article. Excellent read.
I figured you would like the article. Parts of it read like something you would write.

The first third of the article is nonsensical fantasy. The remainder is at least interesting even though it does bear The Atlantic's left tilt. The author flatly accepts epidemic levels of voter suppression against minorities that simply does not exist and that is probably not the most egregious of his assumptions.

Regardless though, it is an interesting article and worth reading even if I disagree with many of the author's precepts.
Uh, there actually are epidemic levels of voter suppression against minorities

Voter ID laws do exactly that




In current society you can not be a functional without some form of identification. Florida has a voter ID law. It is not a problem here.

Frankly, if you are not capable of getting a state ID in the state of Florida then you should not be permitted to vote. Our form of government requires an informed populace to make choices. I think that voter ID is the absolute minimum but I honestly believe that we need to require every person who wishes to vote to pass a simple citizenship test. The exact same test we give legal immigrants. If you can not pass that test then you should not be voting.

Yes, I realize there may be a bunch of folks on the right who can't pass that test. I am perfectly fine with that because we will be a better nation for it.
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Demagogue
Feb 2 2017, 02:33 PM
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Feb 2 2017, 12:48 PM
This is a remarkable article. Excellent read.
I figured you would like the article. Parts of it read like something you would write.

The first third of the article is nonsensical fantasy. The remainder is at least interesting even though it does bear The Atlantic's left tilt. The author flatly accepts epidemic levels of voter suppression against minorities that simply does not exist and that is probably not the most egregious of his assumptions.

Regardless though, it is an interesting article and worth reading even if I disagree with many of the author's precepts.
RE: Bold.

And yet your side has been crowing about 'voter fraud'.... :rollseyes: :oyvey
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Feb 2 2017, 04:41 PM
Demagogue
Feb 2 2017, 02:33 PM
Two a.m.
Feb 2 2017, 12:48 PM
This is a remarkable article. Excellent read.
I figured you would like the article. Parts of it read like something you would write.

The first third of the article is nonsensical fantasy. The remainder is at least interesting even though it does bear The Atlantic's left tilt. The author flatly accepts epidemic levels of voter suppression against minorities that simply does not exist and that is probably not the most egregious of his assumptions.

Regardless though, it is an interesting article and worth reading even if I disagree with many of the author's precepts.
RE: Bold.

And yet your side has been crowing about 'voter fraud'.... :rollseyes: :oyvey
The problem in California is the opposite of voter suppression. In Cali they give driver's licenses to illegal aliens. So obviously, getting an ID in order to vote is not a problem for anyone in that state. Of course being California, even though getting a license or state ID is laughably easy they do not require any ID in order to vote. Hence the possible issues with fraud.

So long as everyone has to follow the exact same rules there is no suppression. Even in states with the most restrictive voter ID laws, the rules apply the same to everyone regardless of race, religion or sex.

In our modern society it is nearly impossible to function without any form of ID. Heck, the requirement to have an ID in the USA has become so pervasive in the last decade that it has even altered the character of a fictional book series that has being going on for 20 years. You may or may not be familiar with the Jack Reacher series of novels by Lee Child but the character famously is both a drifter of sorts and pointedly does not carry current ID. Nor does he have a phone or any form of credit or debit card. Due to societal changes, Lee Child was forced to change his main character's ways. Reacher now carries a debit card and ID because without at the least those things, you can not even be an drifter in the USA.

Obviously, we should expect more from someone who wishes to wield the awesome power of choosing the leadership of our nation than we do from a fictional, former Military Police drifter.

So no, if you do not have some form of identification then you should not be voting. That is not voter suppression. Suppressing the vote would be actively stopping someone from getting an ID so that they can vote. Nobody does that. The rules to get an ID are the same for everyone who lives within each state.
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I agree with Demagogue that "voter suppression" is basically nonsense. Having to acquire an ID - so long as it is free and not afoul of the 24th Amendment - is not suppression and calling it such is hyperbolic garbage.

However, I disagree with him about the extent of voter fraud. Moreover, any attempt to take President Trump's ludicrous accusations about voter fraud seriously would mean that that somewhere between half and two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's entire vote in California was illegal. That's simply not a sane conclusion and it is certainly not the sort of bizarre silliness that the president needs to be pushing on his Twitter account. It would be the same as if President Obama had been tweeting "Bush was behind 9/11" memes.

Then again, that's what happens when we elect a birther president.
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The Trump dynasty will rule America for at least two decades, making the Kennedy's and Bush's look like residents in a homeless shelter............ :hooray:
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