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Kellyanne Conway invents nonexistent terror attack to justify Trump ban
Topic Started: Feb 3 2017, 04:19 AM (1,462 Views)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/bowling-green-massacre-fake-kellyanne-conway-immigration-donald-trump-2017-2?r=UK&IR=T

Kellyanne Conway suggested that the so-called "Bowling Green Massacre" in Bowling Green, Kentucky, was one of the catalysts for Trump's executive order banning nationals from seven Muslim-majority states like Iraq.

There was no such attack in the US.

During her interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Conway described the false incident as two Iraqi refugees having come to the US, becoming radicalized, and masterminding the nonexistent attack. Conway offered no evidence to back up her claims and flatly suggested that "most people don't know ... because it didn't get covered."

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Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
In the alternative facts world, no facts are incorrect or wrong.
There are no lies in alternative fact world.



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Feb 3 2017, 04:54 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
In the alternative facts world, no facts are incorrect or wrong.
There are no lies in alternative fact world.

Babbling platitudes don't answer my question. Would you care to take a shot at it?

Was she intentionally lying?
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
I think facts are such a cheap commodity in this White House, that I'm not sure anyone there bothers to know the difference or care.

Don't worry. By this time next week, at least 40 percent of Trump voters will believe the Bowling Green Massacre happened and the liberal media covered it up to protect President Obama.

Just like Pizzagate or Trump's millions of illegal immigrant voters.

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Feb 3 2017, 05:03 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
Two a.m.
Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
I think facts are such a cheap commodity in this White House, that I'm not sure anyone there bothers to know the difference or care.

Don't worry. By this time next week, at least 40 percent of Trump voters will believe the Bowling Green Massacre happened and the liberal media covered it up to protect President Obama.

Just like Pizzagate or Trump's millions of illegal immigrant voters.

Another non answer....Do you think she lied intentionally? or was it a factual fubar?
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Feb 3 2017, 04:58 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:54 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
Two a.m.
Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
In the alternative facts world, no facts are incorrect or wrong.
There are no lies in alternative fact world.

Babbling platitudes don't answer my question. Would you care to take a shot at it?

Was she intentionally lying?
In alternative fact world there are no misstatements
No mistakes made
Everything you say is fact, sort of, kind of.... alternative facts are built to support the larger mission.
You don't have to be held to any accounting and when it's time to move on to the next adventure it's time to manufacture new alternative facts.

That isn't any platitude. It is the policy of this new administration.
Not just some claim making, it's also one that Conway herself has established...on a stage.. in front of people.

If you don't like today's alternative facts, not to worry, there will be some more issued today to "clarify" those alternative facts from yesterday.

Was she lying? Not really, because there are no lies in an administration that doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. When you can come up with the idea of "alternative fact" all notion of truth is dead.

Ask me if I think they are a gang of sociopaths. That I can answer, they haven't yet established their interpretation of that word. They HAVE reestablished the definition of fact and that definition nullifies the old definition.

They are not lies. They can't be lies because alternative facts are only limited by the imagination.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Feb 3 2017, 05:12 AM.


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Feb 3 2017, 05:04 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 05:03 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
Two a.m.
Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
I think facts are such a cheap commodity in this White House, that I'm not sure anyone there bothers to know the difference or care.

Don't worry. By this time next week, at least 40 percent of Trump voters will believe the Bowling Green Massacre happened and the liberal media covered it up to protect President Obama.

Just like Pizzagate or Trump's millions of illegal immigrant voters.

Another non answer....Do you think she lied intentionally? or was it a factual fubar?

I don't know. Do you think Trump's invention of millions of illegal votes was a "factual fubar"? How about his creative reworking of his inauguration crowd sizes? His calling CNN fake news? Or the literally hundreds of "factual fubars" he's had during the campaign.

I guess I should have posted that Hillary Clinton said this. Then you'd be all over it because, as we've established many times, there's no excuse for lying and it is all the same...except, I guess, when there is and it is different.

Anyway, your mistake is to believe that the Trump Administration makes some sort of difference between truth, dissembling, exaggerating, being wrong or making stuff up completely. Let me disabuse you. They don't. It is all the same to them. They simply say whatever nonsense pops into their head. Sometimes it is real. Sometimes it is false. Sometimes it is based loosely on actual events. Other times, it is a mixture of fact and fiction. Sometimes, it is completely invented. Sometimes, they misremember things. Sometimes, they blithely just retweet whatever some goofball on the internet said.

You may like to sit around calibrating their exact intent but I assure you, they don't. They just say whatever they feel like whenever they want to.

And they don't care.

Edited by Two a.m., Feb 3 2017, 05:29 AM.
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Breaking!


“I bet it’s brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqi refugees came here to this country, were radicalized and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre,” Conway said. “Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered."


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Don't worry, CT. It is just another factual fubar.

Another one among hundreds.
"The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them." - George Orwell, 1984
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Feb 3 2017, 05:48 AM
Don't worry, CT. It is just another factual fubar.

Another one among hundreds.
Yep, time to move on to the next alternative fact. This one has served its purpose.
The adventure continues.


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That's right. It's good that Conway brought this to our attention. How sad is it that this tragedy got no coverage at all simply because it didn't happen? The lamestream media is always showing their bias towards events that actually occurred. What about imaginary events? Fictional event? Things I remember vaguely or completely wrong? Don't they deserve coverage too?

I mean, thanks to media bias, most Americans WEREN'T EVEN AWARE of this major piece of nonexistent history just because - in the factual sense - it never happened.
Edited by Two a.m., Feb 3 2017, 09:38 AM.
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Feb 3 2017, 09:37 AM
That's right. It's good that Conway brought this to our attention. How sad is it that this tragedy got no coverage at all simply because it didn't happen? The lamestream media is always showing their bias towards events that actually occurred. What about imaginary events? Fictional event? Things I remember vaguely or completely wrong? Don't they deserve coverage too?

I mean, thanks to media bias, most Americans WEREN'T EVEN AWARE of this major piece of nonexistent history just because - in the factual sense - it never happened.
I wonder if she also thinks, like her boss does, if Fred Douglass is doing a terrific job out there?


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I used to make fun of liberals and democrats for having to resort to arguments of moral relevancy

having said that...

is this sort of like Hillary Clinton coming under sniper fire?

this will not move the needle on approval ratings for this policy - +6 for is stil where the public stands on this
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A moment of silence, bow your heads in supplication to what name you call the Devine, as we remember the non-souls that lost their non-lives in that wonderful town in Kentucky where no one was massacred....please, hold any shredding of clothes, gnashing of teeth, or wailing til after the non-service is over please.
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Feb 3 2017, 09:50 AM
I used to make fun of liberals and democrats for having to resort to arguments of moral relevancy

having said that...

is this sort of like Hillary Clinton coming under sniper fire?

this will not move the needle on approval ratings for this policy - +6 for is stil where the public stands on this

Which says something unfortunate about our public.

And Hillary Clinton lied about the sniper fire. Everyone has long since acknowledged this. The difference is that people has to constantly refer back to that incident years ago to find a case where Hillary Clinton did what Donald Trump and his people do almost every week - simply make things up, often out of thin air.

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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
Well, she was running Ted Cruz' campaign, so that should tell you something. She's definitely out there. It's interesting how the Trump supporters typically seem to be like her. I guess someone emptied out Fantasyland.

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Feb 3 2017, 05:04 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 05:03 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:41 AM
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Feb 3 2017, 04:20 AM
Let's all take a moment and remember the fictional victims of the imaginary "Bowling Green Massacre."
Do you think she intentionally lied or just got her facts confused?
I think facts are such a cheap commodity in this White House, that I'm not sure anyone there bothers to know the difference or care.

Don't worry. By this time next week, at least 40 percent of Trump voters will believe the Bowling Green Massacre happened and the liberal media covered it up to protect President Obama.

Just like Pizzagate or Trump's millions of illegal immigrant voters.

Another non answer....Do you think she lied intentionally? or was it a factual fubar?
I think that question would be more valid, and the answer more relevant, if something like this didn't happen as a regular occurrence. In less than two weeks we've heard so much blarney, bullshiat, and obviously made up crap that I don't know that it being intentional or not is particularly important.

If the WH simply cannot get its facts straight, be that through incompetence or intent, then that's a serious problem.

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Kellyanne misspoke on Bowling Green then clarified her remarks. Better to debate merits of her argument than gotcha
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